Our 1964 Goldwater Girl, Hillary.

[heidler1]

I heard this on CNN about 30 min. ago. I did a search using, Hillary Clinton Goldwater, and got lots of hits. So now we know where she got all of that experience she Bragg's about.

[Bicoastal]

1. You didn't know that already?

Where ya been, the real world or something?

[Radical Activist]

2. The same woman who turned down a job offer from Saul Alinksy

because she thought his style of grass roots community organizing was a wasted effort. She was establishment then, and based on her comment about LBJ, she still believes in the power of the establishment over the people. This is the big difference between Obama and Clinton. They have very different views of the world.

[Yuugal]

9. You mean Obama the rich guy?

Who had to suffer his way through private schools and harvard?

[Radical Activist]

11. Obama the community organizer who

knocked on doors on the South Side of Chicago housing projects and represented the city as a State Senator instead of moving to the suburbs. The one from a middle class family who passed on higher paying jobs so that he only got rich until he got his book deal.

[Yuugal]

16. Wow, are those people rich now?

Or are they still as poor as when he left them? Obama has certainly done well for himself.

Don't get me wrong, if he gets the nom I'll go vote for him. I'm just really tired of people acting like he grew up poor when he didn't. The major thing he has going for him in my mind is his name isn't Hillary Clinton.

[Radical Activist]

17. Sure, he grew up middle class.

Implying he grew up rich and privileged isn't accurate either.

[durrrty libby]

3. "Bragg's" ? huh?

[IndianaJones]

4. Ft. Bragg, NC. nt.

[LeftyMom]

7. It tastes like soy sauce.

http://www.bragg.com/products/liquidaminos.html

[stillcool]

5. She was on the Board of Directors...

for Walmart as well...

[paulk]

12. do you really have to link to a right wing site for this garbage

"For the last eleven years, the liberal press has been mute about her connections to this big corporation. The same cannot be said for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. The same liberal press has gone to the nth degree to publicity decry their oil connection.

Perhaps it is time for someone to publicly question her about her connection to Wal-mart and ask for straight answers. To me she looks and acts just like another presidential wanna-be. His name is John Kerry."


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I guess when you go digging around in a dumpster for shit like this, you're bound to get some on you...

[stillcool]

15. Shit...I didn't mean to do that...

damn..thanks for letting me know. I meant to use another link..

[stillcool]

21. different link...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/03/10/politics/p101258S01.DTL&hw=wal+mart&sn=001&sc=1000

Clinton Quiet About Past Wal-Mart Ties
By BETH FOUHY, AP Political Writer
Friday, March 10, 2006

(03-10) 17:28 PST New York (AP) --
With retail giant Wal-Mart under fire to improve its labor and health care policies, one Democrat with deep ties to the company — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton — has started feeling her share of the political heat.
Clinton served on Wal-Mart's board of directors for six years when her husband was governor of Arkansas. And the Rose Law Firm, where she was a partner, handled many of the Arkansas-based company's legal affairs.

Hillary Clinton had kind words for Wal-Mart as recently as 2004, when she told an audience at the convention of the National Retail Federation that her time on the board "was a great experience in every respect."

But in recent months, as the company has become a target for Democratic activists, she has largely steered clear of any mention of Wal-Mart. And late last year, Clinton's re-election campaign returned a $5,000 contribution from Wal-Mart, citing "serious differences with current company practices."

As Clinton sheds her Arkansas past and looks ahead to a possible 2008 presidential run, the Wal-Mart issue presents an exquisite dilemma: how to reconcile the political demands she faces today with her history at a company many American consumers depend upon but many Democratic activists revile.
Associated Press Writer Marcus Kabel contributed to this report.

[mrdemocrat78]

27. I knew i hated walmart for a reason

[lapfog_1]

6. Hey, when we are young we all make mistakes.

When I was in junior high school, I thought Nixon was a good person and wouldn't lie to anyone.

Of course, by the time I hit college, I was more politically aware.

When did Hillary figure out that being a Democrat was better than a Republican? How old?

[paulk]

26. it wasn't until the Republican National Convention in '68

that she decided to leave the Republican party, although prior to that she had supported Eugene McCarthy in his run for the Democratic nomination.

[Jai4WKC08]

30. Sometime in college

She supported Eugene McCarthy and his efforts against the Vietnam war, but didn't formally leave the Republican party until she attended their convention in the summer of '68 at which time she would have been 20 (turning 21 just before the election).

From Wikipedia, on her undergraduate days:

In 1965, Rodham enrolled in Wellesley College, where she majored in political science.<15> She served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans organization during her freshman year.<16><17> However, due to her evolving views regarding the American Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War, she stepped down from that position;<16> she characterized her own nature as that of "a mind conservative and a heart liberal."<18> In her junior year, Rodham was affected by the death of Martin Luther King, Jr.,<8> and became a supporter of the anti-war presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.<19> Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students for moderate changes, such as recruiting more black students and faculty.<20> In that same year she was elected president of the Wellesley College Government Association.<21><22> She attended the "Wellesley in Washington" summer program at the urging of Professor Alan Schechter, who assigned Rodham to intern at the House Republican Conference so she could better understand her changing political views.<20> Rodham was invited by Representative Charles Goodell, a moderate New York Republican, to help Governor Nelson Rockefeller’s late-entry campaign for the Republican nomination.<20> Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami, where she decided to leave the Republican Party for good; she was upset over how Richard Nixon's campaign had portrayed Rockefeller and what Rodham perceived as the "veiled" racist messages of the convention.<20>

Rodham returned to Wellesley, and wrote her senior thesis about the tactics of radical community organizer Saul Alinsky under Professor Schechter (which, years later while she was first lady, was suppressed at the request of the White House and became the subject of speculation as to its contents).<23> In 1969, Rodham graduated with departmental honors in political science. Stemming from the demands of some students,<24> she became the first student in Wellesley College history to deliver their commencement address.<22> According to reports by the Associated Press, her speech received a standing ovation lasting seven minutes.<25><26> She was featured in an article published in Life magazine, due to the response to a part of her speech that criticized Senator Edward Brooke, who had spoken before her at the commencement;<8> she also appeared on Irv Kupcinet's nationally-syndicated television talk show as well as in Illinois and New England newspapers.<27> That summer, she worked her way across Alaska, washing dishes in Mount McKinley National Park and sliming salmon in a fish processing cannery in Valdez (which fired her and shut down overnight when she complained about unhealthy conditions).<28><29>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_clinton#College

[paulk]

8. you're jumpin' on that bandwagon a little late, aren't you?

can't you be at least a bit original with this smear stuff? I mean, really - the Hill hate krew have been pumping this nonsense for months and months already. I realize that for people with a limited IQ something that you did when you where a teenager 40 or 50 years ago is somehow relevent to who you are currently, but most people see this for what it is....

[tammywammy]

10. really? This is the first time you've heard of that?

Interesting.

[NanceGreggs]

13. WOW!!!

This was actually news in 1964.

And BTW, who's "Braggs"?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

14. She was what, 16 or 17 years old at the time?

Who did she support in the next election? Who did she support in 1968? Nixon or Humphrey? And who did she support in 1972, Nixon or McGovern? That would probably be more interesting. I really don't know one way or the other about her early political leanings. What were her feelings about the Vietnam war? Many young people in 1964 weren't yet fully tuned in to what a fiasco Vietnam was or would become. The war was just barely starting to heat up.

[BenDavid]

18. WOW! First I heard this was 1992 and its been out there

[RaleighNCDUer]

33. And amazingly, it's still true! nt

[sjdnb]

19. Goldwater was a social progressive - might even shame some Dems, today

From an interview with Stephanie Miller, daughter of Republican Congressman William Miller, who was Barry Goldwater’s running mate in 1964:

"I still contend to this day that he and Barry Goldwater would just be appalled at what’s happened to their party. Barry Goldwater used to talk about the undue influence of the religious right on the Republican Party back in the ’80s. He was pro-choice. He was pro-gay rights. He used to say about gays in the military: “You don’t have to be straight. You just have to shoot straight.” I can’t even imagine what they’d think today about their party."

http://www.progressive.org/mag_intv0906

Goldwater's granddaughter, C.C. Goldwater:

" . . .while my grandfather didn’t leave his party, his party has left him. Though he’s often depicted as the father of conservatism, Barry Goldwater would be considered a moderate today. He was firmly pro-choice, a supporter of gay rights and, in his later years, said that he thought it was okay for gays to serve in the military.

Fundamentally, it’s clear that Barry would not have been comfortable with the increasing influence of the Christian right over the GOP. My grandfather would have been appalled by the whole political grandstanding of the Terri Schiavo mess.

The Constitution was Barry’s bible. He felt strongly about what it represented and the guidance it gave to establishing our government. And he thought that most U.S. citizens took it for granted. “Most Americans have never even read it and that’s a shame,” he once said. “Kids are not learning about it because it’s not honored the way it used to be.”

We need to remember the true values and freedoms the Constitution guarantees us. The main lesson I learned from my grandfather: “Government needs to stay out of personal lives, and do the job that we entrusted them with–to run and govern our country efficiently and truthfully, according to the laws our forefathers crafted.” That’s a message worth remembering today."

comments on Goldwater (moderate or liberal) and HBO Documentary
http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2026
http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=326
at Liberal Values

And, when Jerry Falwell denounced Sandra Day O'Connor's nomination to the Supreme Court, saying that every good Christian should be concerned about her because of abortion, Goldwater responded ... "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass." -- anyone with the gumption (other preferred term left to the imagination) to come out and say that, publicly, is alright in my book.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

22. One problem I had with Goldwater was his opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act

He voted against it. I don't think he was a racist. In fact, Goldwater was very supportive of Native American rights in Arizona and spent a great deal of time on reservations. I think he admired Native Americans a great deal. Goldwater's opposition to the Civil Rights Act stemmed more from his belief in state's rights and that the federal government should not intrude on them, even in the case of this landmark civil rights legislation. Whatever his reasoning, Goldwater became a champion of segregationists in the South in the 1964 campaign and his primary delegate slate from the South had no black people. As a result, Goldwater became the first Republican to win the electoral votes of the deep South including Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and South Carolina since Reconstruction. I think the fact that Goldwater was seen as being supported so strongly by segregationists in that election is one of the factors that led to his resounding defeat in the rest of the nation (outside of the deep South, he won only Arizona).

I think you are right in that Goldwater was a much better Republican than any we see today. Again, I don't think Goldwater was a racist at all. He was just supported by racists and the Lyndon Johnson campaign made hay out of pointing out the fact that the Ku Klux Klan supported him. Goldwater was a true old school conservative who, as you say, could put many current Democrats to shame with his belief in the Constitution. But he did oppose that 1964 Civil Rights Act, which was a great blemish on his record, in my opinion. And his ability to win in the South opened the eyes to later candidates who developed their "Southern Strategy" for the Republican Party (i.e. Ronald Reagan).

[sjdnb]

23. He supported two other versions, just not the one

proposed that year. That Civil Rights act, at that time, was primarily opposed by southern Democrats - he was one of only five Republicans to vote against it due to his concerns that it might be used to legislate morality, etc.

He also was a supporter of the NAACP and called Richard Nixon "the most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life". Pretty spot on.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

24. I think that's accurate - I think he basically was a good man

He supposedly helped to found the NAACP Arizona Chapter and also worked to desegregate the National Guard. But with the distance of time, it was an extremely unfortunate decision that he made in voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Segregation (and I saw it with my own eyes) was one of the most enormous black marks ever on this country and, whether he opposed the Act out of conservative principles of states' rights and non-interference by the federal government (which was his official reason) or not, it was a big mistake on his part. Segregation was not just a political issue involving positioning against Democrats in Congress. Segregation was downright EVIL...an enormous evil. Eisenhower, an even better Republican in my opinion than Goldwater, came to the conclusion that it was a great evil. It was not just a political mistake but a sociological and humanitarian mistake made by Goldwater. Segregation and all the evils that flowed from it had to be stopped at all costs and unfortunately he couldn't see that at the time. It was short-sighted of him and it's very disappointing to me that he didn't have the plight of black Americans on his mind, who were living and suffering in their daily lives as second class citizens. In fact, in this regard, he was quite insensitive to human suffering. No amount of ideological principle should trump the need to give fellow citizens the same rights under the Constitution that all others enjoy. That was not his finest hour. While it's true that he supported Civil Rights legislation in 1957 and 1960, he supposedly later stated that he regretted the support of earlier Civil Rights legislation on purely conservative ideological grounds and would have liked to take back his earlier votes. It's interesting to note also that most of his Republican colleagues voted in favor of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, while he was among a small minority of Republicans who opposed it.

[sjdnb]

28. Again, he only opposed this, specific version, but supported the 1957 and 1960 versions

of the act. You seem pretty literate on how this works -- so, I'm sure you know, there are times amendments and/or changes to the underlying bill make it less about what was originally intended and more about 'other stuff' -- that is what happened in this case. However, because of the timing, politically, this became the version assumed to be the ONLY Civil Rights Act. While, in fact, this was a water downed version devised to appease/garner enough votes from the South/Southern Democrats.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

35. And AGAIN Goldwater REGRETTED having supported the 1957 and 1960 Acts

He publicly stated that he wished he could have taken back his votes for the 1957 and 1960 Acts. I don't know if he did that specifically to garner votes in the segregationist South, but he did it. And he didn't support the 1964 legislation either. It was a very terrible decision. I don't see how anyone can say that it wasn't. With the distance of time, it was a black mark upon Goldwater's record and upon his life, which is unfortunate because otherwise he appeared to support racial equality during his career.

You are giving the false impression that Goldwater opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Acts because it was "watered-down". Nothing could be further from the truth. Goldwater opposed it because of ideological reasons, because he opposed the federal government interferring in the affairs of the States, the same ideological reasons that caused him to say that he wished he could take back his votes in 1957 and 1960. It was a crappy position on Goldwater's part.

[Zynx]

20. That was 44 years ago.

Think about that.

[emilyg]

25. Desperate?

[Occam Bandage]

29. Oh, don't dig up this shit. She was an idealistic kid. She grew up.

[NastyRiffraff]

31. Yeah, and in 1960 she skipped a day of school and lied about it.

:sarcasm:

I bet St. Barak lied about the dog eating his homework in grade school. Again: :sarcasm:

Sheesh.

[cali]

32. for fuck's sake.. she was 15 years old. good for her for being

politically active at that age. bad for you for posting this illiterate drivel.

[candymarl]

34. Two score and 3 years ago

Hillary Clinton supported Goldwater. She brought forth upon this Nation the scourge of the Republican Party (which didn't exist until she joined). I say nay! A pox upon her house! A pox upon anyone who voted for her for Senator. A pox upon anyone that votes for her now!
Seriously, she's not liberal enough for me. But to bring up what she did as a teenager? That's really reaching. She was raised in conservative Republican home. This is right up there with criticizing Obama for his grandfather being a Muslim.

[onenote]

36. doncha love hit and run posters?

:sarcasm:

[MonkeyFunk]

37. some people need an enema

[totodeinhere]

38. Quite a reach

It's quite a reach to criticize Hillary over a situation that happened 43 years ago.