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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:41 PM
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Best Zinger of the debate?
Could only watch part, but

KUCINICH: PREDATORY CAPITALISM TREATS AMERICANS LIKE CASH CROPS FOR INSURANCE COMPANIES AND PHARMA COMPANIES

How ya like being a cash crop. No other candidate except Sharpton wants to take us away from being a "cash crop."
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:42 PM
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1. Ditto
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:42 PM
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2. Kerry: He says I have two positions on issues, because he has the
wrong position on every issue
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MrPeepers Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:43 PM
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3. I liked Kerry's...
The President may say I have two positions on some issues, but I don't know if I trust that coming from the guy who was the wrong position on every issue.

Or something along those lines. I thought that was great!

Peepers
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:46 PM
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7. Yep, that was excellent
Sharpton had some good comments too, but the 90 minutes went by so fast that I can't remember them now.

It was a great format. Everyone got a chance to talk.

I thought that Larry was disrespectful of Kucinich when Larry called Kucinich's health plan socialism. Maybe we should call Kucinich's plan publicly financed, privately delivered.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:44 PM
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4. Sharpton --
'It's not who you go to bed with at night but if either you have a job when you wake up in the morning.'
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:45 PM
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6. That one has my vote too.
"Stop talking about crap, let's start talking about jobs." If only Kerry had ANY passion like Sharpton does.

Later.

RJS
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:48 PM
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8. That got a big reaction from the audience
and from me. Good one.
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:45 PM
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5. Capitalism ensures that Americans will always be a "cash" crop..


There is a balance of fairness that has to be addressed but what Kucinich wants is socialism and none of his proposals would ever pass.

When you start a lemonade stand, you charge people 25 cents for lemonade. Did it cost you that much to make it? No. Does that mean that you are using them as a cash crop? No.

I agree that health insurance needs to be addressed but what Kucinich proposes is throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:51 PM
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10. Well, then, who cares what you think?

When your buddy Larry King says ANY proposal by ANY Dem is "socialism," he is deliberately hurting the Democratic Party.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:20 PM
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14. Maybe the baby needs to go!
Umm in case you haven't noticed capitalism isn't working.It never did work.Capitalism by necessity mixes a bit of socialism into itself to keep from the exploitation system capitalism requires from collapsing into something akin to feudalism/revolt. Passing the New Deal in effect said, because capitalism as a system leads to oligarchy, the new deal exists to keep the poor from revolting and finding other ways to survive with each other and abandoning the rich and their exploitative hoarding and distribution systems and doing it in a way without the rich having any power. The rich can't be lords of the manor if they have to rely on themselves to maintain the fields.The rich depend like tapeworms upon scarcity,poverty,class competition,oppression war.. The rich NEED people of the lower classes to be fighting amongst each other,distracted,scared of 'losing',duped,corrupt enough to be bribed and compete but not brazen enough to rich authority to steal or disobey their commands,They need people to be pacified enough with junk and ignorance to let the rich exploit them for their minds,labor and creativity .The rich want their cheap labor..cheep as possible.Slavery is in their interests as long as people fall for it! And with the hours Americans work compared to those evil democratic liberal socialist countries in Europe that have universal health care we are almost slaves.

There are tons of social 'reform'patches that have been added onto the silly 'free trade' delusions of oligarchies and there are lots of people falling through cracks by no fault of theirs into suffering in this mixed economic system.The rich have no right to be lords.But stupid people who do not value them self enough don't demand to be treated as equals and get a fair deal out of corporate pigs for their work and time.Until we wake up and smell the exploitation..The rich will avoid having to concede something to keep the poor from seeing they are being used up.When the greedy take too much from people they tend to revolt and go after the lying rich thief criminals in power.This reaction to deprivation,abuse and exploitation by the rich terrifies the rich. The rich NEVER want to pay the pipers.

In this crappy 'system' I await the day when people wake up,and realize the rich just want our lives and obedience and do not care about us at all because they see us all as expendable slaves or a cash crop. This ugly truth will dawn on more people after bush has fucked up our lives, and the internecine fighting gets crazy, all we are left with is loopholes for the obscenely rich who don't need any more money to get more money,and this will not work. Anybody with nothing left knows freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.The rich have EVERYTHING to lose if they do not at least attempt to mix the falsehoods they espouse of unregulated capitalism with a little reality of socialism.

And when I hear people saying stuff like they wish there were more Jobs,corporate regulations ,limits on what pharmacy companies can charge,insurance costs too much,and its picky,clear channel is dominating the media....I also see the same refusal of the poor and middle class to honestly look at the source of our collective woes is in this unfair system distribution of wealth and socio-political inequality we are born into to the rich.

Domination,deliberate deprivation and internecine war is a product of greedy human evil.Capitalism relies on deprivation ,domination and'competition'.Capitalism is very much like feudalism it just has money hiding the face of the king instead of subjects being loyal to a king directly.Being a slave to a paymaster(boss) or landlord still means you are beholden and bound to a lord and master.
Nice lords who give you benefits at work, or try to clean up industry toxins are still lords.
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:37 AM
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16. Um, it isnt working?


America is the wealthiest most prosperous nation on earth.

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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 01:24 AM
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22. With a 3rd world healthcare system
Proper healthcare for the rich, massive bills and/or going without treatment for everybody else.

America is the richest country in the world if you're part of the 5% that owns 90% of the wealth. The other 95% would disagree with you on this.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 01:22 AM
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21. Glad to see you've not even READ DK's position on this
The only thing that would be "socialized" under DK's plan is the predatory private insurance industry.

Health care services would still be delivered by privately-owned and -run clinics, just like it is today. Only you could go to ANY clinic you choose, because they'd ALL be covered by the same, universal healthcare plan.

If you're going to slag off candidates' positions, at least get them right. Cripes.

:eyes:
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:49 PM
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9. Sharpton's
line about a "Constitutional Amendment for Presidents who Lie"
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:02 PM
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12. That was my favorite!!!! LOOVVVEEEEDDD IT!
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:22 PM
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15. My favorite, too
one of those :bounce: ing and clapping moments!
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 01:57 AM
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23. Agreed, Sharpton's comment was the best zinger of the night
Though I tip my hat to both DK and JK for their fine lines as well.
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quispquake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:56 PM
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11. Kucinich
When Kerry said there was a right way and a wrong way to do Iraq, and Bush had picked the wrong way, Kucinich rightfully added "and what was the right way?"

I have to say, Kerry had a pretty pissed off expression for a moment...I have a feeling he can be pretty intense...
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:56 AM
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17. you ought to make a seperate post on this
what was the right way?
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:58 AM
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18. check it out
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 01:02 AM
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19. Kerry did looked pissed the hell off
I don't agree what DK did at all... but wow Kerry looked like he was going to favor the Death Penalty for a certain fellow. :scared:
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 01:06 AM
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20. From what I saw, his behavior was rude and dismissive beyond belief.
Like he was laughing behind his had every time DK spoke, except no hand, out there for everyone to see.

Watch the rerun.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:05 PM
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13. That's the one, revcarol
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