I was told this is "the best fucking graphic EVER!" So I'll share it......

[GreenTea]

It's ALL about delegates...Edwards has 18, Hillary 24, Obama 25 - Edwards too, will continue picking up delegates all the way to the convention.

We know the republican owned Main Stream Media (MSM) is pushing Obama & Hillary day & night. Ignore Edwards or trash him if he's mentioned at all.... because he's a Social Progressive, Liberal, he'll hurt the huge greedy corporations, give only DLC moderates Dems a voice.

Republicans own the only five television MSM Time-Warner(CNN) is that what you watch, or is it Viacom (CBS) how about Disney (ABC) no, than General Electric ((NBC, MSNBC), I know, then it's the ultra right-wing Rupert Murdoch's channel (Fox)...All five corporations are huge contributors to the republican party, all with republican CEO and editors...

Edwards is going to the convention....If he can pick up the kind of money Obama & Hillary have and are spending he'll win.

Obama spends over nine million in Iowa and Edwards was able to spend three million....If you say it doesn't make a difference, You're full of shit and lying...then why in the fuck is Obama spend over nine million dollars in such a tiny state?

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[Kutjara]

4. Time for your pill, Mr. Anderson. n/t

[gateley]

7. Brilliant!! nt

[surfermaw]

44. Right on every word correct

Don't let the less informed get you down ! Wait until the investigations start, then the crowd will thin down to two..Edwards will be one of the two.

[ellenfl]

15. excuse me? where did you come by that knowledge?

that comment is not only sexist, but possibly wrong. i WOULD like to know your source.

ellen fl

[fenriswolf]

2. HEHEHE love it

[progressoid]

3. Cool...

Just change the title from New Hampshire to American Voters.

[LaPera]

5. Kick & recommend!

:kick:

[ProSense]

6. "Edwards was able to spend three million"

because Obama raised more money. If Edwards had it, he would spend it.

"If he can pick up the kind of money Obama & Hillary have and are spending he'll win."

Can Edwards raise more money?

Not everyone buy's into the new Edwards:

We know he voted for the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2001, but why vote against this:

Question: On the Amendment (Wellstone Amdt. No. 14 )
Vote Number: 16 Vote Date: March 7, 2001, 06:55 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 14 to S. 420
Statement of Purpose: To create an exemption for certain debtors that can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the court that the reason for the filing was a result of debts incurred through medical expenses.

link

Edwards on video

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[GreenTea]

10. So you're saying money indeed buys elections! Obviously, not the intelligence of the voter!

And you're DLC lying slobs, pushing your slick moderate candidate!!

[ProSense]

12. No,

You're saying it: If he can pick up the kind of money Obama & Hillary have and are spending he'll win.

Here: reading material

[ProSense]

14. And it's Edwards who was a founding member of a DLC group,

not Obama or Kerry or any real progressive.

[GreenTea]

18. And look who they support Obama & Hillary...Edwards said FUCK YOU to what the DLC has become!

[ProSense]

20. They're not supporting anyone. The DLC are bloodsuckers,

but you know that, right?

[spooky3]

19. please post a link to your evidence of that

there's no mention of Edwards here:

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=85&subid=109&contentid=893

"The DLC was founded in 1985..."

Edwards was not in politics then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards

[ProSense]

21. Here

a "DLC group"

DLC Update | March 13, 2000
New Dems Organize in Senate

Though U.S. Senators have always played a key role in the DLC and the New Democrat movement, we're pleased to see that nine senators have taken the formal step of organizing a New Democrat Coalition to work with the existing 64-member NDC in the House. The founding members of the Senate NDC include: Joe Lieberman (CT), Evan Bayh (IN), Mary Laundrieu (LA), John Edwards (NC), John Breaux (LA), Chuck Robb (VA), Blanche Lambert Lincoln (AR), Bob Kerrey (NE) and Bob Graham (FL).

It's also significant that key members of both House and Senate NDCs held a press conference last week to announce the formal introduction of the New Democrat education reauthorization bill sponsored by Senators Lieberman, Bayh and Landrieu, which originated at the DLC's affiliated think tank, the Progressive Policy Institute. We hope it will become the basis for a key reform of federal education policy this year. Joining the three Senate sponsors at the press conference were Senators Breaux, Lincoln, and Herb Kohl (WI), and Representatives Cal Dooley (CA), Adam Smith (WA), Joe Hoeffel (PA) and Jim Maloney (CT).

Both developments were big, and good news, for New Democrats.

link

[spooky3]

22. thanks

[GreenTea]

23. And the DLC said fuck you to Edwards!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/dlc-leaders-cut-edwards-out/

[ProSense]

25. What does that mean: The DLC had

a conference call with reporters to discuss the candidates and said Edwards can't win?

How the hell is that relevant?

[MagickMuffin]

26. Can you show me where to find the info about Edwards being a founding member of the DLC???

I can't seem to find anything about him being a founding member. What I DID find is Al From, Will Marshall, Al Gore, Chuck Robb and other unnamed conservative democrats were the founding members.

So, it will be interesting to find out what info you have on Edwards.

John Kerry and John Edwards both belong/belonged to the DLC. However, I haven't seen any evidence that Obama belongs to the group.

[ProSense]

27. Info

here.

[MagickMuffin]

28. Though U.S. Senators have always played a key role in the DLC and the New Democrat movement

we're pleased to see that nine senators have taken the formal step of organizing a New Democrat Coalition to work with the existing 64-member NDC in the House. The founding members of the Senate NDC include: Joe Lieberman (CT), Evan Bayh (IN), Mary Laundrieu (LA), John Edwards (NC), John Breaux (LA), Chuck Robb (VA), Blanche Lambert Lincoln (AR), Bob Kerrey (NE) and Bob Graham (FL).





This is NOT the same as founding the DLC. This IS a different group WITHIN the DLC. So, it seems your off base calling Edwards a founding member of the DLC.

[ProSense]

40. "This IS a different group WITHIN the DLC. So, it seems your off base"? Now, look again

And it's Edwards who was a founding member of a DLC group...

[lisainmilo]

49. You provide a link to your response??? What is that???

No sense

[ProSense]

52. Are you kidding me? Did you even read this subthread from the beginning?

Read post 22. The link is there! People need to get a grip!

[MagickMuffin]

57. Ahem,

The DLC was founded in 1984. By the members I posted about earlier. The group you keep sighting is a group that wasn't created UNTIL 2000.

So, there is NO basis to claiming John Edwards was a founding member of the DLC, PERIOD.

The New Democrat Coalition is an organization within the United States Congress. It is made up of 20 Democratic Senate members and 44 Democratic members of the House of Representatives who claim moderate and pro-business stances.

The group was founded in 1997 by Representatives Cal Dooley (California), Jim Moran (Virginia) and Tim Roemer (Indiana) as a congressional affiliate of the avowedly centrist Democratic Leadership Council, whose members, including former President Bill Clinton, call themselves "New Democrats." As of February 2005, the House New Democrats are chaired by Representative Ellen Tauscher (California), with Representatives Artur Davis (Alabama) and Ron Kind (Wisconsin) serving as co-chairs. Representative Adam Smith (Washington) serves as chair of the group's political action committee.

The Senate New Democrats were founded in 2000 by Senators Evan Bayh (Indiana), John Breaux (Louisiana), John Edwards (North Carolina), Bob Graham (Florida), Bob Kerrey (Nebraska), Mary Landrieu (Louisiana), Joe Lieberman (Connecticut), Blanche Lincoln (Arkansas), and Chuck Robb (Virginia).

The NDC was not around when the DLC was founded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council




ON EDIT: Sorry Pro Sense, but I missed the letter "A" group within the DLC. Overlooking one letter CAN make a BIG difference.

Hey we're on the same side here. I'm a big Kerry supporter as yourself. But just missing one letter can change the whole discourse.

So, I apologize for my misunderstanding.

[bagrman]

42. Money buys advertizing, Money buys TV and Radio stations, Money didn't buy good public schools,

Results are, you get a lot of citizens that can't think for themselves and believe anything that is spewed out of the TV or Radio. When the news comes on and Edwards isn't mentioned it's like he's already out of the race. The candidates that would actually have helped America out of it's slid (tumble) were and are being ignored by the MSM cause it ain't going to be good for them and their ilk, if they get elected.

Latr

[Forrest Greene]

38. If You KIds Don't Behave

I'm gonna turn this car around & go right back home.

[Gonnuts]

43. Exactly ...

Edwards either had an awakening and enlightenment or he's using the populace message to shield his pro-corporate agenda. Edwards became Kerry's VP because of the speech he gave before the Bilderberg Group in support of NAFTA. Now all of a sudden he's the champion of the people?

I don't buy it. I don't trust any of the so-called front-runners.

Whomever becomes POTUS will be whomever the powers that be want to be POTUS. It's the way its been since way before we were born and unless there's some kind of sea-change or revolution.

[JDPriestly]

58. So, Edwards learns. What has Hillary learned?

She is running on the past. And Obama. He is green behind the ears. He has a lot to learn.

[Spiffarino]

61. That is a poor argument against Obama

Lincoln had two years of elected office (Ran twice, lost once).

Washington had no government experience other than military.

There are plenty of other examples. The most salient quality in a good leader is the ability to lead. If Obama shows that he has been a poor leader, that matters. If not, "experience" is a lousy excuse.

- Spiffarino (A John Edwards supporter and Hillary/Obama/Kucinich defender)

:D

[FedUp_Queer]

68. While your point MAY be well taken,

the fact that your command of the English language is so poor (see below) diminishes your point, not to mention the substance is wrong.

The bottom line is this: Edwards is the only talking about two Americas (and, yes, he was doing that in 2004). Edwards is the only one saying we need to rein in corporations (in fact they are afraid of him...see the recent Guardian article to that effect where corporate lobbyists say that Edwards will be bad for them). He is the only one who has a health care plan that covers everyone...and begins to push towards a single-payer system. I am sick and damn tired of seeing conservatives and corporatists wagging the indignant "finger of responsibility" in my face while allowing corporations to just get off and move off shore and pay no taxes. Do I get to establish my "residence" as Bermuda and not pay taxes? Hillary, Bill and the DLC are nothing more than corporate tools.

Here:

Edwards either had an awakening and enlightenment or he's using the populace (should be populist) message to shield his pro-corporate agenda. Edwards became Kerry's VP because of the speech he gave before the Bilderberg Group in support of NAFTA. Now all of a sudden he's the champion of the people?

I don't buy it. I don't trust any of the so-called front-runners.

Whomever (should be Whoever) becomes POTUS will be whomever (should be whoever) the powers that be want to be POTUS. It's the way its been since way before we were born and unless there's some kind of sea-change or revolution (run on sentence; "unless there's..." is incomplete).

[mrbluto]

54. ...and raising money is what it's all about - right?

<sarcasm> Thats right. Dollars are votes. That's why they call them dollar votes. </sarcasm>

...

Is money the gauge you want to use?

Because if that's how it's gonna be then Progressive causes are sh*t out of luck and will never recover without a violent revolution.

[Kokonoe]

8. That is a nut shell. WOW, Don't show anybody else.

[Catchawave]

11. Love it !!! K&R n/t

[sandnsea]

13. Obama put 32 offices in 17 states

He has had many of them there for months. He did not spend nine million dollars in Iowa. Maybe if you truly got your news from some place besides the MSM, you'd know that.

He also had a terrible time getting real coverage until he closed the gap in Iowa. The story has been the inevitability of Hillary and breaking the glass ceiling.

[lisainmilo]

50. He didn't spend 9 million inIowa???

:rofl:

[lyonn]

16. Works for me. Thanks. nt

[bunnies]

17. It *would* be a good graphic if...

NH had voted for Edwards. But as I recall.... it didnt go down like that.

[MzShellG]

24. That was cute...lol. nt

[MagickMuffin]

29. Great graphic gives me some ideas

It's obvious we are being forced into a two candidate race. I think if John can continue to hold his ground and speak to the issues that are facing the middle class and bring that message to the masses with whatever means he has at his disposal ((( SHOUT OUT SYMBOLMAN ))) then I think he could really start making a bigger difference.

I would love to see him attacking The Bush Regime and Road Block republicons and how they have damaged our system of governing and regulation. They are mostly to blame for the CEO's Golden Parachute Retirement packages. They are responsible for our deficit.
They are responsible for outsourcing our jobs, slave labor, class warfare, counter culture warfare, the troops in Iraq, Katrina, Iran Contra, BCCI, ((( ok he might not have to mention ALL of these scandals ))) Jack Abramoff, missing White House emails, purging of US Attorneys.

I wish when he was questioned about Hillary's public display of emotion ((( oh GASP, the horror ))) he would have said this

"WE SHOULD ALL BE CRYING. AFTER WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. IF YOU AREN'T CRYING YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION!"



Thanks for posting the most excellent graphic. And your commentary.

Here's an exchange between Keith and Dana

OLBERMANN: I‘m presuming that was an egg. Among the Democrats, in which scenario or what scenario is either Senator Edwards or Gov. Richardson, who‘s on some sort of news bubble right here, viable past super Tuesday next month?

MILBANK: Well, with the usual preface that nobody knows what they are talking about at this point, I think it‘s fair to say that the only way it‘s not Obama or Hillary is if the two of them are caught in some sort of a love triangle with Dick Cheney at this point. We‘re not sure among the two of them but we are not seeing any movement among the other two, although Bill Richardson may be moving back home to Sta. Fe.


Do you get the cold shoulder snub that the Washington insider Dana Cocktail Weenie Milbank doesn't KNOW what THEY are talking about anymore???


Why is that, I wonder???



I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT

[Kajsa]

32. I second that shout out to Symbolman.

Go Symbolman!

:applause:

[ChiciB1]

36. And those In D.C. KNOW What They Are SUPPOSED To Do... It's

been stated by at least THREE D.C. JOURNALISTS of some note that the D.C. Elites HATE John Edwards!! At least three I KNOW OF!

Want names? Chuck Todd, David Gregory AND David Schuster! I CAN NOT give you links because I doubt there are any, but they stated this fact on HARDBALL!!! But I must say that Schuster wasn't a "chatty-charley" he was just "reporting" whereas the other two were having a "confab" with Tweety after one of the Debates!!

I would LOVE to find a Re-Run, but have no idea how to find it! But I KNOW what I heard! And with Gregory & Todd, Tweety even asked them in a "surprise, surprise" tone... WHO? To which Todd said...YOU KNOW WHO, and "Tweety" just laughed!!

I heard it and I REMEMBER it!!

[MagickMuffin]

60. Do you remember the night of this revelation?

Here's a link to the transcript page. If you can remember which day you can find out the exact quote. If you remember the day will you post it so I can go read it myself.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/

I searched around but was able to find it without knowing which day they said this. Good Luck on your search.:hi:

[ChiciB1]

62. I Think It Was After The First Or Second Debate... I Don't Know How You

can search for commentary "after" the debate. I recall Tweety saying something about Edwards being impressive of something like that, and Chuck Todd & David Gregory were sitting right there will him. Todd was the first one who made the statement, Gregory nodded his agreement and I think he said something, but he did comment. Tweety asked Todd WHO they were talking about and Todd said... You Know Who!

I not very PC savvy with this kind of stuff, I don't even know how to post pictures! But I DO know it was said. Does that help? Seems to me like it was one of the Debates that MSNBC handled, but I could be wrong. There have been several you know, but it WAS in December, that I'm almost sure of.

I had known that Edwards wasn't the "darling" of D.C. but the reason I recall it so well is BECAUSE it seemed like such a cavalier thing for them to say. I thought "they" kept that stuff to themselves, or talked about it "off air!" But it did happen.

There must be someone else who heard it. I have since learned that Chuck Todd's wife works for the Clinton campaign so he probably DOES know something about it.

I'll try to search for it myself too!

[ChiciB1]

63. I've Been checking... Maybe It Wasn't December... I'll Have To Check

all the Democratic Debate dates.

[sojourner]

30. k n r

[Girlieman]

31. Right on!

[Kajsa]

33. It hits the nail on the head!

Great graphic.

Even Bill Maher mentioned this last night,
although he kept the discussion of the Dem.
candidates to Obama and HRC.

WE HAVE A THIRD CANDIDATE!


K&R

:kick:

[7horses]

34. This is so...

true and we need to vote for John Edwards no matter what the media is trying to sell us, or no matter what those polls say.

[robinlynne]

35. Best post of the week. Thank-you!

[AzDar]

37. Ayup. Nice graphic!

Go, Johnny, GO!!!

[jgraz]

39. Meh, I've seen better fucking graphics

Y'know, technically, they're not even fucking.

[Kurovski]

41. K&R.

Heh.

[Andy823]

45. I love it!

You hit the nail on the head! Big corporations are doing everything they can to make sure Edwards won't win. As you said, they are scared of what he will do, and that alone should make americans stop and think that maybe this is the guy they whould be voting for, not the ones that the coporations are "backing" with all that money!

[tomreedtoon]

46. People will ask you "Who is MSM???"

You have to remember that MSM is a buzzword used here that 99 percent of America won't recognize. And spelling out "Mainstream Media" is wrong too. You need to make it simple enough for Joe Sixpack to understand.

You should have the woman say "I'm still voting for John Edwards...ABC News is lying!"

Four additional letters, a world more of meaning.

[lisainmilo]

47. I love it! I love it! I love it!

It is fantastic! I want this in all the newspapers, on T.V. EVERYWHERE!

:yourock:

[Divine Discontent]

48. here's a fun version I made

[liberal N proud]

51. It is...

the best fucking graphic EVER

Thanks for sharing

[blayne]

53. You Edwards people are persistent if not incorrigible.

I click on the one thing in the Greatest Threads list without Edwards name on it, and this is what I get. :) I guess that is a compliment.

[Divine Discontent]

55. that's funny! what can we say, we like the guy and his policy plans :) n/t

[mother earth]

56. K & R for truth in the media! Green Tea, you ROCK!!!!

Edwards all the way!

[GreenTea]

59. Just so sick of these fucking ignorant moderate weasels!

Actually believing, that they actually think for themselves, with no influence from the MSM media, believing they thought it up all on their own....the weasels... they are such frightened people....We know many are also just simply status quo fence sitting moderates fucks, as they allow the same huge corporate slime to breath and stay alive oppressing and stealing from the workers & children....moderates who have and will again vote either side of the fence, The fascist republicans love moderates. I despise them....They are do nothing fucks...allowing the killers to create havoc and do their evil.......

Of course their bed partners the corporate fascist want never ending war, "it's just good business".....the corporations, weapons makers & the incredible huge military complex - all making just billions and billions of dollars from our taxes. (Where's absolute 100% health care for every American 100% of the time no exceptions...well just who reaping in AMA and insurance corporations money).

Who wants wars to stop? The corporations control and dictate our country policies.... these are the same assassins and neocon fucks who wanted the oil fields in Iraq and Iran, and they aren't going to leave office until they bomb Iran and create more chaos and put those Iranian oil fields up for grabs....The various corporations will own most of the world's supply because of the way our imperialistic military is used....along with Bush crime family's business partners, Saudi Arabia...If I were the Saudis though, I'd sure as fuck watch my back....And watch out Hugo....Those oil fields in Venezuela have become too valuable with the price of oil, The media will make you out to be a monster as an excuse to get rid of you and the same moderates will scream "yeah, Chavez has to go"....The neocons, decades long planned 9/11 attack gave them an excuse to go after the world's oil supply create a fascist government in our country through fear, while our military and the corporations continue reaping.

And now these media backed stooges, corporate nice- nice moderate candidates Obama & Hillary want to be in power, keeping status quo and the rich couldn't be happier, along with the huge money boys who are heaping tens of millions of dollars sponsoring the too media superstars....the media's making gobs of money doing their live acts...the bucks are flowing and the media moderate bubble-gum groupies are eating it up!

SUPPORT JOHN EDWARDS!
http://www.johnedwards.com/

[mother earth]

70. Green Tea, I'm with YOU on each statement, this is why we fight.

When I look at my fellow Edwards supporters, my heart and hope is invigorated.
You truly make me proud.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

64. John Edwards is the only one talking issues and the only one I'm giving $ to nt

[ozone_man]

66. Gave him another installment tonight.

As long as he's in, I'm backing him, with my full $upport.

[Bishop Rook]

65. I'm not so sure I like it

But only because I've seen it before, in its original context.

I forget exactly what the caption was, but the basic gist is, the woman pictured above is an office worker who, because women are so incompetent, broke an office machine. The man pictured above is musing aloud how much legal trouble he'll get into if he murders her.

Seriously.

It's a throwback to a dark time in our history when rampant sexism was not only accepted in our society, it was used to sell stuff. Just as much as sex (minus the ism) is used to sell stuff today.

[Mrspeeker]

67. Hell I even like it

[George II]

69. You post might have been more effective w/o the obscenity in the subject!!