POLL: Is "Obama's Iraq stance is a fairy tale" a racist statement?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

I keep hearing Clinton's comments about Obama's Iraq stance being a "fairy tale" being brought up as proof of "Clinton's race baiting."

I admit I'm confused. Is it a racist comment to say someone is unrealistic about world affairs because they are inexperienced?

[Bicoastal]

1. Screw.

[FrenchieCat]

2. YOU!

[aquart]

3. You don't understand. CRITICIZING Obama is racism.

[Bicoastal]

4. No, but criticizing YOU is easy.

[Yael]

13. As is questioning his stance on the issues or asking his favorite color.

*sigh*

[jonnyblitz]

18. or saying his middle name, or calling him a muslim.

because everybody knows muslims are bad people.(WHO are the bigots again?)

[durrrty libby]

5. No it is not and It will be great to see the Bull Shit blow up in the faces

of the hypocritical Hope and Change crowd

[peacebird]

6. talk about a biased poll. Where is "Neither of the above"? Especially since you qualify it with:

"Is it a racist comment to say someone is unrealistic about world affairs because they are inexperienced?"

Obama is about equal to Hill on actual foreign policy experience.... Unless you believe that somehow she was injected with "experience" by sleeping with the former President...

[Bicoastal]

7. Sleeping with the former president?

When did that happen?

(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

[Fovea]

8. This thread makes me think

that maybe Edwards makes more sense than ever.

[Barack_America]

9. Funny that, as much as you hate discussing race, you and your candidate...

just can't help bringing it up.

[slackmaster]

10. No, but it's homophobic

:hide:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. No.

Hillary Clinton's fearmongering comments about Al Qaeda living among us were racist statements.

Real Willie Horton-type shit.

[arewenotdemo]

12. No, but it's dirty pool and just wrong.

[TwilightZone]

14. So, help me out here. If DUers generally don't think it was racist (92%, at the moment)...

why do we have a thousand threads arguing that it is?

[Didereaux]

16. because there are 10 complete flakes keyboarding as fast as theri little fingers can go!

[Lucinda]

17. Cause the same few people like to type?

[TwilightZone]

21. I'll admit that the thought did cross my mind.

In my initial response, I nearly included "Are the same five people starting all of them?"

[Lucinda]

23. I'd go with two or three...and there are a couple on our side

who make me stop and say WTF? on a regular basis too.

[TwilightZone]

29. Pretty much every candidate...

has a few delusional supporters. Some, more than a few.

It's these really vocal small groups that are making this place tough to navigate! (Not to mention tolerate.)

Alas, in a month or so, we'll have a candidate and the cacophony will subside to the usual dull roar.

[Lucinda]

38. I certaainly hope so. We're going to have a lot of BS thrown our candidates way

it would be nice to have a place of sanity to come to when it happens. :)

[TwilightZone]

43. What happened in '04...

was that people basically ranted themselves out, many whose candidates lost left or got banned, and the site generally got behind Kerry, at least as much as a site like this can.

I suspect that the transition will take a bit longer this time and will be a bit uglier, particularly if Hillary wins the nomination, but over time - hopefully, a fairly short time - the crap will filter out and we'll bother to remember that there is another party in this race.

[Lucinda]

46. I was in and out during that time and didnt settle in and post much

until Kerry got the nom. (I've been here for a while, but lost my old ID - I had health problems and was gone for a looooong while)

It was still a bit heated when I began posting, so I remember that it did eventually get better. Well...better until Kerry conceeded.

[TwilightZone]

47. Very true.

It did get a little...uh...animated after that for a while.

[sandnsea]

19. It's not just that statement, it's the totality of statements

The OP knows it and is intentionally distorting the issue, which isn't surprising since white America never will admit racism.

[TwilightZone]

26. "White America never will admit racism"

All of it? That's quite the blanket statement.

Trotting out a stereotype to make a point about stereotypes seems a bit misguided.

That aside, Clinton didn't say "Obama's campaign is just a fairy tale", which I could see being loosely interpreted as a reference to a black man not being able to get elected.

However, he specifically referred to Obama's world view being a fairy tale based on his lack of experience.

I personally think that the experience meme is ridiculous. I'm not arguing the validity of the statement. I simply don't see how it can possibly be interpreted as "a black man can't win."

[sandnsea]

27. I haven't forgotten the Imus incident

And every single thing that is posted at DU about racism is always met with objection. Hillary's campaign better shut up, that's all I know.

Funny you're saying Clinton was talking about Obama's world view, and nobody has made that argument at all. Why would you do that if you weren't trying to figure out some reason why he would use that particular phrase to ridicule a remark that was supportive of the 2004 candidates.

[TwilightZone]

35. Imus is a racist.

In my recollection, most of DU agreed, though there were some people who inexplicably supported Imus' position. I would opine that there is rarely *any* issue that DUers agree upon 100%. Some people probably disagree just to piss people off.

So, how does that prove that all of "White America" denies racism?

As far as "world view" goes, here was Clinton's original statement:

"Second, it is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, numerating the years, and never got asked one time, not once, 'Well, how could you say, that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war and you took that speech you're now running on off your website in 2004 and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since?' Give me a break.

"This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen...

Where does Clinton say anything that could possibly be a reference to Obama's campaign, in general? That would be nowhere. He's obviously talking specifically about Obama's claims about the situation in Iraq.

"World view" were my words, not his. The occupation of Iraq is obviously a foreign policy issue. If "world view" is too expansive for you, feel free to replace it more specifically with "stances on War in Iraq".

[1corona4u]

37. OH GOD......

pack your bags everyone, we're going on a guilt trip.... :eyes:

[sniffa]

40. i wonder why he didn't use "shuck and jive"?

or the MLK line... or imaginary hip black friend.. or take your pick.

[goldcanyonaz]

20. Because many (non minority) people are much of the time scared to speak up.

I have many white friends who used to tip toe around issues for fear of possibly of saying the wrong thing. I told them that we as Americans will never be able to resolve our problems if we are too scared to speak our minds.

[Marrah_G]

25. There is a group here intent to cause disent

Either they are so completely obsessed with their candidate that that can't look ahead and will do whatever it takes to win OR they are intentionally trying to divide this party and this forum. I think there is a mix of both.

Either way, the winner is the pukes. We will never learn.

[sandnsea]

15. It's the way he through it in at the end

He was making his Iraq points, which were all lies by the way.

And then he just threw that fairy tale thing in there at the end, it was really insulting. It's as if it came from a different place than the rest of his comments, more animosity. Like "get real people, this whole thing is a fairy tale". Not just the Iraq comments.

[1corona4u]

41. NO they weren't.

BC stated the FACTS.

[David Zephyr]

22. The Fairy Tale was Bill Clinton claiming he opposed the Iraqi War.

That's the greatest fairy tale of all time.

[Lucinda]

24. He's on the record opposing it. Then he shifted as events progressed.

[sandnsea]

30. Edwards has said Clinton people advised him

and caused him to vote for the IWR. The Clinton leadership constructed the IWR strategy right down the line. She went to Iraq/Afghanistan and said we needed to "stay the course" in 2003, stuck by that position for years, and didn't fully support a withdrawal strategy until last year.

[sandnsea]

28. Kerry challenged that yesterday

Made a point to say Obama was really "against the war from the start". I cheered.

[David Zephyr]

32. I didn't know that.

Thanks.

[fujiyama]

31. What does Clinton's statement have to do with race?

BTW, how can either Clinton criticize anyone on Iraq? Both Clintons backed the war, and seemingly Bill even moreso than Hillary...I recall him calling up Larry King after yellowcake gate was being discussed and Clinton said it was no big deal. I lost a lot of respect for him that day.

[Blue_In_AK]

33. I am tired

of all criticisms of Obama's positions being characterized as racism. I thought the point of the civil rights movement was to assure that all people, no matter what their skin color, gender, religion, etc., were to be treated EQUAL.

[Occam Bandage]

34. Nobody has claimed that was racist, you misrepresentative concern troll.

[TwilightZone]

36. Au contraire.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4037394&mesg_id=4037394

Obama Spokesperson Says There's A "Pattern" Behind Bill And Hillary's Race Comments

[Occam Bandage]

39. That would be an example of the hostile "tenor" of the Clinton campaign.

Nowhere does it claim that "fairy tale," in and of itself, is a racist statement.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

42. I just saw CNN cafferty report on whether fairy tale is racist

eom

[Occam Bandage]

44. That's very nice for you, but "I saw a guy talk about it" is hardly enough to make a statement on,

especially given your history of distortion and fraudulent posting.

[TwilightZone]

45. And what did they conclude?