Debate Thread #1

[Renew Deal]

Let's rumble! 90 Minutes. No Rules

[One Taste]

1. Woohoo INFORMAL!!

it's ABOUT TIME!

[slinkerwink]

2. damn, just not the same without Dean....

:-(

[TheDonkey]

King endorses the Democrats

;)

Just said that one of them will lead the country for the next 4 years.

[Rainbowreflect]

10. I loved that, not one would run against bush.

One of them would lead the country for the next 4 years.

[BootinUp]

3. SOMW

[BootinUp]

4. Take a drink if your playing!

[maddezmom]

13. Got mine...

my in-laws are flying in tonight for 3 weeks!!!

[BootinUp]

21. Just for you then

:beer: :beer: :beer:
:beer: :beer:
:beer:

[maddezmom]

84. hey where's WesDem?

:toast: one for her, too. :)

[slinkerwink]

5. wow! they're so close to each other---it makes the discussions

much more personal.

[One Taste]

6. my thoughts exactly!!

but they are starting off a little nice NICCCCEE

[slinkerwink]

7. FIRST long-winded answer by Kerry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zynx]

9. I expected to see that.

;)

[onehandle]

8. Nice, nice, nice off the bat.

Good start.

Now hammer the chimp, boys.

[TheDonkey]

11. Very nice start. Kerry and Edwards make out on stage

;)

They were very civilized very polite to one another.
Sharpton really doesn't like Edwards???

[slinkerwink]

12. sharpton first to bring up gays, kerry looks uncomfortable

[maddezmom]

15. really, didn't notice

[One Taste]

14. Sharpton attacking Edwards and Kerry on PATRIOT act

saying it's Ashcroft's dream. And "how can someone support civil rights if they support patriot act?"

[Zynx]

17. It's a fair point. I'll give Sharpton that.

[Thrill]

19. Sharpton

is hillarious

[JohnOneillsMemory]

16. any streaming source?

[slinkerwink]

18. sharpton on fire as usual, and he's holding kerry and edwards to the fire

[maddezmom]

20. Dennis Kucinich ~ all class

to stupid questions

[Thrill]

26. Yeah Kerry

Get 'em

[youngred]

22. LARRY KING CAN KISS MY WHITE FUCKIN ASS

:grr:


"you're only here to make statements then?"

[revcarol]

35. Good applau7se for getting out of NAFTA & WTO (DK)

.

[youngred]

38. Good applause

Bad moderator

[TheDonkey]

23. Sharpton rips on Edwards "2 nations" stump speech

[Zynx]

25. Why?

[youngred]

28. Says there is more to it than economic class

Race, Sex, Sexual Orientation, Language.

[Zynx]

33. Fair enough, however the main suffering most people face is economic.

[youngred]

37. no doubt

Edwards' speech is all well and good, but why is he bringing it into an informal debate? Its a great story no doubt, but if you want to talk stories about making something of oneself look at DK whose family had to live in a car for part of his life.

[BootinUp]

32. Sharpton said

You can't stop at class, you have to talk about race, He's for affirmative action! it got some applause.

[turnhardleft]

24. Kerry glares at Edwards at the opening

Sad.

[Zynx]

27. The Kerry glare is kind of frightening.

;)

[slinkerwink]

29. good slam on bush by kerry.....

[onehandle]

30. "(Bush) is trying to divide America" -President Kerry

[turnhardleft]

90. President Kerry?

Cute.

[maddezmom]

31. John Kerry not backing down

throwing the FMA back at GWB.

[Rainbowreflect]

34. Go Kerry,

Bush is dividing America with this amendment.
Bush can't talk about jobs so he divides.

[59millionmorons]

36. This format stinks

The questioners keep interupting the candidates.

[slinkerwink]

39. ouch....he's not fending the questions about gay marriage very well...

[maddezmom]

40. he's doing fine, slinkerwink

[TheDonkey]

41. He got a lot of applause, made a lot of sense.

[One Taste]

42. Niether Edwards or Kerry are..

I'd say Edwards marginally better.

[maddezmom]

43. Al kicks ass

[BootinUp]

48. Edwards did seem more sure of himself anyways

thats usually enough for the sheep.

Sharpton is the best on the real issue. face it, he's quite good in debates.

[One Taste]

Yes he is.

:)

[robbedvoter]

53. How so? he specifically doesn't want civil unions recognized in other

states...Is this better how?

[BootinUp]

63. Its Not, Al is right. The other's are :scared:

[robbedvoter]

45. Sharpton reminds Edwards gays are human beings too

[BlackVelvetElvis]

51. Right on Al

Me and mom are watching this and we are into what Al has to say on this issue.

[revcarol]

54. Did they even let DK answer?

GRRRR

[youngred]

60. Not really

he kinda flustered on anunfair question

[maddezmom]

no they didn't

:(

[Vas Liz]

44. Kerry & Edwards

make me sick on their position re: same sex marriage.

Al is doing GREAT right now on this issue re: it's human rights.

[Thrill]

46. SHUT UP KING

you piece of crap

[maddezmom]

47. welcome to DU, VaZ Liz

[TheDonkey]

49. You go Al!!!

:) :) :)

Edwards and Kerry did well on their more conservative remarks.

[youngred]

50. Go Al

Except he tends to run on ;-)


Horrible Questions all around BTW

[wellstone dem]

52. Ed Asner

is in the crowd

[BootinUp]

55. Kerry: Change the subject

How will this play?

[One Taste]

57. Crowd loves it so far.

[Thrill]

58. Kerry

YEAHHHHHHHH

[maddezmom]

61. well

;)

[TheDonkey]

68. It was VERY risky for him to do!!

But he ran with it. Did a real good job of bashing the hell out of Bush and ignoring King's dumbass question trying to get them to yell at each other.

[Joe the Revelator]

56. Get 'em Kerry

I have to admit, he's impressing me tonight.

[Astarho]

59. Right in the middle of Al's reply

my Fucking cable co gives an EBS test!

:nuke:

Anyone else?

[slinkerwink]

62. another long-winded but good answer by kerry.....

he really needs to cut a lot of the extraneous words out of his Q&A.

[oxymoron]

64. It was a great answer.

I like the fact that he doesn't talk in sound bites.

[youngred]

65. I think he's not the quickest thinker on his feet

Nothing against Kerry, but I think he tends to throw in extra words to allow himself to think. I don't think I've ever seen him answer a question succinctly

[NNN0LHI]

91. Save succinctly for bumper stickers

Complicated questions require complicated answers.

Don

[youngred]

96. I agree

but He never gives a brief answer to anything.

[BootinUp]

66. King: Yea but Kerry's won most of them LOL

[59millionmorons]

67. Seems to me the agenda of the questioners are trying to start a fight

between Kerry and Edwards.

[youngred]

73. I'm thinking the same thing

better ratings and a story that way

[Renew Deal]

75. Yep

I noticed that.

[darknemus]

69. As sad as this is, I'm STILL undecided

But I definitely like the way Edwards speaks. I feel really bad for the way Dennis got slammed by King, too, btw. Kucinich is amazing, even though I don't see him winning the nomination - he's still a great guy, period.

-darknemus

[Rainbowreflect]

70. Why the hell do they try so hard to make our candidates

attack each other.
Afraid of low ratings without blood.

[revcarol]

76. Now on the horse race?

God, I can't watch, so slimy.

[youngred]

71. Edwards talking up his electability

Kerry wants a rebuttal.

King looking to start a fight

[Kathleen04]

83. I didn't like Kerry's response

Exit polls have showed that independants and moderates have gone to Edwards in higher numbers, saying that there's no evidence to support that claim is just false..

[maddezmom]

72. ASK Dennis and Al a f'ing question

[Joe the Revelator]

79. Honestly...

i'd rather hear Kerry and Edwards duke it out.

[youngred]

82. I wouldn't

Gray and Blue-Gray

[maddezmom]

93. I want to hear what they all have to say

we need all points of view to keep the party going in the right (or left) direction. :)

[youngred]

94. absolutely

Thank You :-)

[maddezmom]

99. no problem

:pals:

[BootinUp]

74. Kerry is kickin right now

He can appeal in the South

[robbedvoter]

77. Kerry: stop stereotyping people in the South as Edwards said

Pretty good. King a*hole: "did he lie?"

[BootinUp]

78. KING: Pulling out a Dukakis Question!

Why not Death Penalty if a Kid is killed

[maddezmom]

80. Death penalty?

will they all get to answer.

Kerry~ No
Edwards~ yes

[TheDonkey]

81. EEEK! Death Penalty question

THis scares me about Kerry. Can he win being against the DP!?!?!

[maddezmom]

85. yes

[onehandle]

88. Just another issue that's beyond a President's fingertips...

Like Gay Marriage. No problem.

[robbedvoter]

92. You like the killin' huh? How much like W do we have to be to win?

Good for kerry! best part of his stands. NY, Cali will appreciate that difference.

[BootinUp]

95. I'm liking you more and more

Thats a pretty strong stand Leah!

[BootinUp]

86. Kucinich: Why

Not Universal Healthcare!

Go Dennis!

[One Taste]

87. Ah, so that's why Sharpton's pissed at Edwards..

for pushing for a one-on-one debate with Kerry instead of including Kucinich and Sharpton..

He complimented Kerry on "not trying to exclude and Kucinich from the debates."

[revcarol]

98. Notice Kerry changed the subject!!

can't talk about health care, Iraq, money. Gotta talk about accusations of campaign money, cites Wellstone.
YUK

[youngred]

89. King being a smarmy Ass on Al's jump-in

what happened to the next question that was supposed to go to DK

[TheDonkey]

"you'd be in nice hotels" King to Sharpton

that was tasteless. :puke:

"NICER Hotels!" Sharptons comeback

[robbedvoter]

102. There was a story in AM-Ny on Sharpton misusing campaign funds

by overindulging

[elperromagico]

Rather inappropriate question to Kucinich and Sharpton by King.

He asked them who they favored between Kerry and Edwards.

Rather dumb question, really. If you favor one of your opponents, why would you be running?

[DemBones DemBones]

103. Name of the game is "Marginalize DK" (Man with DANGEROUS ideas!)

[SayitAintSo]

97. Kerry sounds so pompous ... I wish he was more personable

and less severe .... He seems a little crabby tonight .... just my observation....

[TheDonkey]

100. That answer was a bit pompous but was very kind to Edwards

and he has a right to be proud.

[maddezmom]

104. well, they are all geting the gotcha questions now

the "hosts" are doing their best to get them all on the defensive.

[Rainbowreflect]

101. Let them answer the dams questions

and stop trying to make them attack each other.
They all have different strengths, but they all are a million times better than bush on his best days.

[Kathleen04]

107. I know..

Ron Brownstein especially keeps trying to push a fight..

[revcarol]

115. HAVE PITY ON THE DIAL-UP PEOPLE

NEW THREAD PLEASE

[Vas Liz]

105. HOLY!

Dictator Kerry... Executive order directly against the first amendment. Smart move.

[TheDonkey]

114. Whaaaaa?????

[DemBones DemBones]

118. Vas Dat, Liz?

?

[KC21304]

124. Are you watching the same debate I am ?

Do you have a problem with 3rd world countries having family planning aids ?

[Vas Liz]

135. Apparently not

He clearly said he would issue an executive order silencing "special interest" people after a transition they may go through for 5 years.

[Jim Sagle]

152. BS. It was a 5-yr ban on moving from government to lobbying.

[youngred]

106. good talk on healthcare by DK

King still being a dick

[BootinUp]

108. Al: Larry lets not get ethnic

Al, take it easy bro!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

109. Edwards stands a snowballs chance in hell of canceling NAFTA

VIA EO.

[TheDonkey]

110. DK needs to loosen up!!

:( he seems kind a bitter. Didn't seem excited about the break up.

[DemBones DemBones]

128. By rights, DK ought to stand up and shout LISTEN TO ME

because Larry is doing everything he can to shut him out and put him down.

[youngred]

111. Dennis is the only one seriously cut off

Everyone else allowed to talk nearly at will??

[Vas Liz]

112. I like DKs message

I hope he gets a little more diverse though besides Iraq and health care... He has a lot of ideas that should be heard.

[slinkerwink]

113. sharpton's right that we need to shape the democratic platform

[SayitAintSo]

116. Uh oh .... the IWR vote issue ....

Edwards handling it oK....

[seventhson]

117. CAN I PLEASE GET SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS HERE?

ALL I HAVE IS WHAT you guys tell me. I have no cnn and am going nuts.

Nothing on the war yet?

Are they really dissing DK???

I want toi hear DK say we will be in Iraq FOREVER unless we pick him.

[BootinUp]

120. You got suckered? Question to Edwards on IWR

[dweller]

131. it's like a private chat

no one is providing substance of the debate, just own impression...

start a new thread!!!

dp

[BootinUp]

137. Hey its hard to watch listen and type questions and answers!

trying my best

[dweller]

144. You are outstanding on your posts

no criticism intended, but it's still a mishmash of voices...

start a NEW THREAD!

please
dp

[BootinUp]

119. Edwards getting nailed! on IWR

[TheDonkey]

121. Ouch they are beating him up, much like JK before.

This issue is tricky.

[SayitAintSo]

130. Kerry just got applause on his response

" NO I don't regret my vote !" < Edward equivocated > He took a shot at Edwards at the same time. Edwards will now come out swinging .... this is going to get fun !

[Catherine Vincent]

122. Are they trying to make Edwards look bad?

LKing is ticking me off.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

123. HE also forgot every Iraqi casualty

[robbedvoter]

138. And the US wounded. Their existence does NOT legitimize his vote

"We are not perfect" Now that's a campaign slogan....

[dflprincess]

132. I have a problem with a guy who can't say he was wrong

or at least say he doesn't regret his vote. At least Kerry flat out said "no" when he was asked if he regretted it.

Of course, Kucinich has nothing to apologize for on this issue. And why does King keep cutting him off?

[robbedvoter]

141. Yup. Already got one of those....

[Renew Deal]

125. Kerry had the right answer on the regret the war question.

No, but we were misled.

[youngred]

126. Good answer by Kerry when given the chance

He's pounding on Bush pretty strongly :thumbsup:

Kerry slight attack on Clinton to bolster his excuse on IWR

[countmyvote4real]

127. Sounds like the Johns are running as a team -

no matter how hard the panelists are trying to pick a fight.

[Renew Deal]

133. You are damn right.

John-John 04

[TheDonkey]

129. Damn Kerry You on Fire!

Just bitchslapped Edwards rightfully so.

[Thrill]

139. Kerry is doing a very good job

tonight. He is being very serious. Because this is a serious situation. Edwards is not his best tonight. Still trying to figure out who to support.

[Rainbowreflect]

134. Who wants to place bets on if they will let Al & Dennis

talk about Iraq when they return??????

[shoopnyc123]

136. What's up with Larry';s head? Or is it my TV? eom

[robsul82]

140. Comparing Bush favorably to Clinton is NOT the way to go, Kerry.

That is NOT something to do here and is rather disgusting, I believe.

Later.

RJS

[Vas Liz]

142. Yup Kerry just blatantly lied

I could SWEAR even I have heard Kerry say he wanted 40 thousand more troops.

edit: Upsets me too because it made Kucinich look bad

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/09/01/kerry_says_army_should_grow_by_40000/

Yahoo even shows a reference to this claim on KERRYS OWN WEB SITE!

[KC21304]

147. I have to ask again, are you watching the same debate ?

This is exactly what Kerry said. He said we need 40 thousand more troops in military, not 40 thousand more in Iraq.

[Vas Liz]

148. <sigh>

Where, exactly, do you think those troops are going to go once they are in the military Kerryfan? We can't keep rotrating the same troops. Kerry wants us to stay in Iraq. Those troops will be put IN IRAQ. Now if you want to play kerry style double speak fine.

[KC21304]

150. The question put to Kerry was, do you favor putting 40 thousand

additional troops in Iraq? If they are used to rotate in for troops leaving, is that putting additional troops in ? He said we need the troops so these reserves and guard can come home. This particular question did not address his plan for exit.

[Vas Liz]

151. I think you can spin it however you want

It's very clear what Kucinich was saying, and Kerry didn't have the courage to deal with it head on. So he mislead what the end result would be. End of story.

[bigtree]

153. Dennis hit Kerry with the internet spin on the 40,000 troops

His actual quote says something much different than the spin.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

143. Kerry's response on HAITI is RIGHT FUCKING ON!

[NNN0LHI]

149. He explained Haiti better for me better than anyone I have heard so far

Kerry does appear to be on top of his game tonight.

Don

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

145. Larry King: That's socialism..Kucinich what we have now is predatory

capitalism...GREAT RESPONSE!

[KC21304]

146. I think Larry is in his last debate. What an ass.