I just got an email from Barak from John Kery.com after I unsubscribed!

[saracat]

I do NOT want to receive anything from Obama at this point.How to I get off that list? And I add I resent being "given" to anyone by anyone. I know it is probably a "glitch", and I certainly don't blame Kerry, but how do I get off the darn list?

[_testify_]

It's not a glitch.

That's what his 'endorsement' is - he turned over his resources to the Obama campaign.

[saracat]

2. I am saying it is a "glitch ' because I unsubscribed".

[Muttocracy]

7. how recently? sometimes it takes a while for things to update n/t

[saracat]

11. Yesterday. Immediately after the endorsement. I guess I need patience, huh?

[Muttocracy]

23. based on my experience with much smaller lists

It can take a day or two for all the emails to reach their destination, depending on server activity and how many hops the message has to make along the way. Once it's sent you can't go grab it back. So, yes, patience. It's not as bad as print mailings being labelled weeks or months in advance

[saracat]

30. Thanks.I will wait.

[_testify_]

16. Oh. Sorry, I misunderstood you.

That is annoying though. I'd mark it as spam as another poster recommended. :)

[karynnj]

68. I don't think so - the Obama letter was forwarded

and was sent by Kerry. So both were from Kerry. I assume the sending of so many emails is a batch process where they hadn't picked up your unsubscribe.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. Mark it as spam.

[saracat]

8. In can blacklist it but I still will get it.Waaah! I wan to be removed!

Calling Kerry's office seems silly.What can they do?

[MH1]

15. You've revealed yourself, saracat.

We get it now. At least some of us do.

[saracat]

25. Revaled what? That I was pissed about the endorsement? Big whoop.

That makes me what "evil"? I can't disagree? And It is wrong to try to get rid of an unwanted email? UI find it insulting to get Baraks emails sorry.

[MH1]

32. If you weren't looking to tarnish John Kerry by posting an easily resolved complaint PUBLICLY

you would have done the normal thing, found a contact number (easily found on the web page, EXACTLY where it should be), and simply called and talked to a human being. You could have asked, "how long will it take to be removed from the list"? And they would have given you an estimate, and you could have calmly deleted any emails you received in the meantime.

[sufrommich]

26. Wow, if you're just now getting who Saracat supports...

you haven't been paying attention.

[MH1]

33. Well, there have been a few posers in the JK group

I didn't have saracat pegged as one of them. Now I am thinking.

[saracat]

35. " a Poser" because I disagree"? Because I dared you think this "tarnishes JK?

Wow! How can it tarnish him? Everyone "knows"who he endorsed.That is the point of the endorsement. I was hoping to get rid of the email.I am "miffed " at it.I don't think Kerry personally put it thorugh. Sheesh.What a reaction! Okay.I will call them if you think that is preferable but what is really bothering you is my "public " not agreeing with Kerry but hey JK is way more "publicly" not agreeing with me and I can still like him.

[Buzz Clik]

3. Try soaking your comp's motherboard in salt water.

[saracat]

4. Cute.

[Buzz Clik]

17. I wasn't trying to be cute. I'm sick of all this whining.

How goddam hard is it to delete an email? You don't have to read it or even open it.

And what gives you the impression that anyone on this board really cares about your woes with unwanted email? Do you really think that somehow you are in a minority? I guarantee you that everyone with an email account gets anywhere from 5 to 100 unwanted deliveries daily.

Jesu Cristo.

[bicentennial_baby]

19. ...

:applause:

[saracat]

20. Try way more than that.

[Buzz Clik]

24. 200? 1000 pieces of spam daily? And you're bitching about ONE???!!!

Where the hell is that ignore button...

[Divine Discontent]

62. relax

if this person's post incites this much disgust you should have put her on ignore immediately instead of getting worked up.

hope things are better now.

[tabatha]

28. Change your e-mail...

I did that when I got tired of spam ... to gmail.
I get none now.
But you have to spend time making sure to notify all valid emailers of the change.

[MH1]

5. Did you try calling their office? nt

[sufrommich]

6. I got it too...

at the bottom of the page there is a box that says "unsubscribe" hit it and it will automatically take you off the list.

[saracat]

14. I did that yesterday.I still got it!

Sigh.Maybe I should try again.

[Cant trust em]

9. I've never received anything from Barack after I unsubscribed.

[Vincardog]

10. Put them in your SPAM list. They will be sent to the Spam bucket

[saracat]

29. I don't have a SPAM list. I can "blacklist "though..

[Vincardog]

34. Problem solved

[sniffa]

12. Barak

Barak, a dog breed from Bosnia and Herzegovina

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_%28disambiguation%29

[MH1]

13. Here, let me help you with that:

http://action.johnkerry.com/contact

Alternatively, you can contact us via mail or phone:

John Kerry for Senate

129 Portland St.
Suite 500
Boston, MA 02114-2014

202-464-2136

[e-mail]

The standard place to find a link to the "contact us" page on any professional webpage is at the bottom of the home page. DAMN THAT JOHN KERRY - that's right where it was!

[saracat]

18. I "know" that. It isn't the fault of his office.I am sure it is a tech glitch. Maybe I should ask

for their tech person? I don't "hate ' JK.I just don't want Obama stuff.

[MH1]

22. Did you already call and ASK to be unsubscribed?

Posting here before you've taken reasonable steps to resolve you concern directly with the office, is highly uncool, saracat.

[saracat]

27. I did not think it appropriate to bug his office and if you think it is "uncool"because it

expresses my dissatisfaction with the endorsement ,too bad. I am just going to have to press unsub again, blacklist, and wait it out.I just don't like seeing it in my inbox.Sue me.

[sandnsea]

38. Yeah I unsubscribed from Edwards

So if JK endorsed him and I got an email, I'd be totally flippo too. :eyes:

Chill. You're going to be sorry you did this. We all love you, but come on. Barack Obama is not satan.

[saracat]

39. Sorry I did what ?Unsubbed" or refused to support Obama? I do nor get

why I am suppose to be in lockstep. I have my candidate. I support him. I But I do not support all our candidates. I do not support Obama. So? Am I supposed to or something? I don't say he is Barack is Satan.I don't trust him and I won't vote for him.So? What is the big deal? You like Barack fine. It is ouy choice. I Like Edawrds.That is my choice.

[sandnsea]

41. I'm referring to the email hysteria

It's a little ridiculous. That's all. Obama is not satan. I think you can handle an email or two until you get unsubscribed.

[saracat]

43. Maybe. I wasn't "hysterical. Just don't want him in my mailbox! But I can wait!

[LittleClarkie]

57. It's too late anyway

Her inbox already has Obama cooties.

[Perky]

21. It typicallyy take a few days.....Ot os a fairly manual process

and they may not have a lot of staff working on the Kerry '04 campaign

[beachmom]

31. Maybe you can forward it to me. For some reason I am NOT getting

the e-mail, and I WANT to. Damned AOL.

Anyway, you are going to re-subscribe after the primaries .... right?

(In my experience unsubscribing from various lists, it can take a little more time than you think.)

[saracat]

36. Not resubing until after the election.

[LittleClarkie]

54. Me either. Was it something I said do you think?

Where's my spam, damn it!

[surfermaw]

37. I am going to block Kerry... I am an Edwards Supporter

I have gotten a few for a long time, I think he may have been going to run and knew he couldn't open the door with Edwards in the race...

[no name no slogan]

40. Teh tuubes were probably blocked. Ted Stevens was sending an internet

I blame Clinton

[Thrill]

42. Same old Same old from this poster

Let me guess you misspelled his name on purpose. And do you really think we care if you don't want to receive email from him? You could very easily keep this to yourself. Not start a thread on it.

[saracat]

46. Same old snark from you.For your info I frequently misspell Edwards

without the e and Kerry without the R and I like them.In fact I had to go back and correct Edwards again in this post. Talk about petty.And I don't care if you care.This isn't about you.

[Thrill]

47. I know its about your pathetic attempts

to take a shot at Obama any chance you get. We really needed to know you don't want emails from him. Thanks for that useless information.

[saracat]

48. Your welcome!

[ronnykmarshall]

44. Mark it as spam

or go to John's website and get off their list.

[Renew Deal]

45. Sometimes it takes a couple days for you to be removed from the list.

Wait a week and see what happens.

[vee]

49. Forward it to everyone on your email list, let everyone know about this crap!

[ralbertson]

50. hey gang, as others have noted in comments upthread, it's easy to do but it takes a little while.

{I'm not just noting this here for the OP, by the way -- it's a common enough misunderstanding, so this seems to be as good an opportunity to (re)explain how this process works and the kind of tech-driven timing that's involved in these sorts of things.}

There are three million people on John Kerry's email list. With a list that large, it does take a goodly long while for all the emails to work their way out through the Stevens Tubes and onto the Internets. Even at e-speeds, stuff takes a surprisingly long time. Laggage happens.

In every email we send out there are clickable links to automatically unsubscribe from the emailing list. That's not only a Good Idear, it's the law for opt-in email lists. Giant databases aren't updated every hour, it can take a few days for the automatic unsubscribes to propagate through the system and its scheduled updates. That's why it's common for spammer list emails -- which, by the way, ours is definitely *not* -- to warn in the fine print than it may take as much as a week or more for incoming emails to stop coming to your inbox.

And since ours is definitely not a spammer list, we never ever sell, rent, loan, share, "turn over" or otherwise put out any of the email addresses or personal info that we have on file in our database with anybody else, period. That would be a violation of privacy, a breaking of trust, and it's been against our hard-and-fast policy right from the very first days.

On infrequent occasions we agree to send out an email over someone else's signature to our list, such as the followup email from Senator Obama that went out this morning as a one-off deal. But *we* send it out, through our servers, using our standard privacy policies. They provide the text of what they want to say, but we handle everything else. That's why the followup email from Senator Obama that went out today had a reply-to address of <[e-mail]> and the graphic banner at the top of the mail said "John Kerry For Senate" on it and the "unsubscribe" links all point back to our own servers, not anyone else's.

Now, with all that geekly process talk out of the way, if you don't want to deal with waiting for the automatic process to propagate through the server system, you can also call or email and ask to be removed manually. That will still take a day or few to get through the periodic database update processes, depending on whether it's a weekend or not and whether the campaign/internet staff is typically small and overloaded or not. (I probably don't have to tell you how typical *that* is, ahem.) But at least that way you're sure it's a work in progress rather than being backed up in the Stevens Tubes for an extra few days.

The contact info for John Kerry For Senate is, as was also noted upthread, clearly shown at the bottom of the pages on the www.johnkerry.com website. The mass email reply address is <[e-mail]> as duly noted in each of the mass emails we send out. For the record, my direct email address at the office is <[e-mail]> as well. You can also call us at the number given upthread, or for that better here's a backup you can use instead: [phone].

(The odds are pretty good that if you call one of those numbers, you'll end up listening to me answer the phone -- either me, or my evil twin sister TayTay, or my even eviller twin brother Dave C. who draws all the kickbutt animations for www.roadblockrepublicans.com -- and is he good at building that snarkilicious stuff or what, I ask you?)

And, if all else fails, DUers can always PM me here. As you can tell from my sig 'toon, I'm a pro and this is why I'm here. It's what I don't post much non-official post to DU any more, and not under my old pre-staffer nick (which, ahem, had a *much* higher post count) because, well... staffers hiding behind sockpuppets after they've gotten hired to go to work for a prof-pol are just plain all *kinds* of wrong out here on the Internets. We hate it when they do that. As, no doubt, do you.

I don't share my personal opinions with y'all on DU hardly much at all anymore, because that would not be appropriate under the circumstances. But it is cool for me to come here and give factual replies to legitimate questions, such as this one. And I'm always available to deal with questions and concerns from you good people, as is TayTay. Because that is, after all, what we do.

So, anyway, whatever Kerry-related online stuff any of you might have a problem with, just grab me by the scruff of my neck and I'll do my best to fix it straightaway.


Hope this helps,
Rick

[Lucinda]

51. Id give it a couple days....and then use the link from the Obama email when you get another

There is no telling when Obamas camp got your info....so unsubscribing from Kerrys list may not solve the problem.

[ralbertson]

53. At the risk of repeating something important here...

...if "Obamas camp got your info," they most definitely did not get it from us.

[Lucinda]

60. Well the media is reporting that his contact list went to Obama when he endorsed

And I haven't seen Kerry refute it. And saracat was contacted....

[ralbertson]

72. Okay. And since "the media" -- or at least *some* of "the media" said so early on, you believe it?

Well. It is true that several of the less-well-reported early stories from the more-mainstream media sites speculated about that idear -- incorrectly, as it turned out, which was clear pretty early on -- as did several blog entries by people who, well, aren't exactly well-known for fact-checking everything before they push it live in a rush to get their stuff out onto the Internets before any of the other folks get a chance to (gee, ain't the 21st-century electronic media grand, or what?)

In the chaos of a campaign season any confusion is, under the circumstances, easily understandable and is no biggie in the overall. But, as noted, our contact info in general is easily available online -- and mine in particular is specifically listed upthread for your future reference. So if any of you have any questions, concerns, comments, etc. about anything we're doing at TeamKerry -- then just go ahead and ping me through any of the available contact channels, K? I'll do my best to resolve anything in question accurately and ASAP. It's what I'm here for, after all.

[Occam Bandage]

52. I'd start a bunch of threads about it. That usually fixes problems.

[LittleClarkie]

55. Or go to Kerry's blog on johnkerry.com and ask the Senator to remove you.

I was just over there, and there are a bunch of people saying "Please remove me from your list, Sen. Kerry." Yeah, good luck with that. Apparently they think Sen. Kerry is both monitoring the blog comments himself, and has anything to do with the list.

[Occam Bandage]

59. Right. Each email contains unsubscribe instructions. If it doesn't work,

then email his tech staff. Posting on DU or on his blog? Only helpful for whining.

[ralbertson]

66. Well, truth be told, LC... I'm also monitoring those blog posts and it will work too

...but I won't be able to punch any of that external stuff into the database before Monday morning anyway. So please be realistically patient with that particularly clumsy part of the process, K? Granted, that's really not the right way to do it -- but we don't ignore it, either.

I know it's atypical behavior -- must Senators or Representatives don't even *have* an in-house Internets team, even a small one like ours, there are still only maybe a dozen or so such in-house teams on or around the Hill overall -- but we do do take it seriously and we do work hard to exceed what one could otherwise expect from the much-more-typical random interns and scattered subcontractors because, well, that really *is* what we do here.

I mean, we happen to work for a guy who actually Gets It when it comes to this all these pesky darn Internets thingies. And that ain't nothing to virtually sneeze at, let me tell you.

Besides, otherwise we'd all have to get real jobs. Or maybe we could just sit around and blog in our bunny slippers and bathrobes all day instead... <wink>

[LittleClarkie]

67. Oh, okay. That's good to know. I'll stop discouraging it then on the blog

(I posted as Erica over there)

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, all I have to say is I still love your boss, and I've got his back. His endorsement carried quite a bit of weight with me. In fact, campaigning for Obama would feel like campaigning for Kerry again, once removed. I'm not quite there yet, but now heavily leaning toward Obama.

[ralbertson]

69. LC, I've been reading your posts a long time here. And what you just posted made me smile inside.

I mean, it's not like I work for the guy I work for just because I couldn't find another job with somebody else instead. *ahem*

And the continued consistent support of people like you means a whole heckuva lot to people like me and the people I work with, too. Don't ever doubt that for a moment.

Some days the days are mighty long and the job(s) is mighty hard. And then I come here to DU and, ahm, sometimes it doesn't really help so much. But other times, it really helps a lot.

Thank you, LittleClarkie. And serious appreciations from all of us here to the rest of you who've expressed similar sentiments, too. It genuinely does make a difference.

Because that's really what it's all about: changing the world, one (preferably Democratic) vote at a time.

[Bluebear]

56. God, how you've soiled this place 5 weeks of membership.

[Occam Bandage]

58. Perhaps you could start a thread about it.

[Divine Discontent]

63. unfortunately

DUers cannot start threads pointing out how annoying another DUer is...

hope that helps.

[Occam Bandage]

65. True. You can only start threads pointing out how annoying groups of DUers are.

Well, rules say you can't do that either, but it hasn't stopped anyone.

[Divine Discontent]

64. :) n/t

[Mass]

61. And you do not blame Kerry, but you start a thread about it, just to have him attacked.

Cute. Take a book about emails and learn that sending 3 M emails takes time. It is likely that this email mailing was started way before you unsubscribed.

[AZBlue]

70. When did you unsubscribe?

It usually takes a few days. Sometimes a week or two.

Plus, you're unsubscribing from future communication - you don't know how many e-mails were already in the system scheduled in advance when you unsubscribed. You can schedule an e-mail campaign pretty far in advance.

[zalinda]

71. I have to wonder how many people un-subscribed

to Kerry's list after it was his Obama endorsement was announced. I think he may have been fooling himself if he thought everyone was on his list because of him. I warmed to Kerry (and now have gotten cool again) to Kerry in 2004, but I only sent him money because of Edwards. And yeah, I am pissed that he sent me an email asking for money for Obama, so I un-subscribed again, hopefully it will take this time. This pushed me even farther away from Obama.

zalinda

[Kat45]

73. I got the same mail today.

It surprised me.

[MadBadger]

74. At least spell his damn name right BaraCk

[kelligesq]

76. Actually he was calling himself Barry . Guess he wanted to be noticed so

he changed it back to Barack.

[kelligesq]

75. reply & Tell them to go f ___ themselves adding how dare they pass your name & email around, &- -

tell them youre supporting Edwards. That should work :)

I got off the list long ago aftter Kerry refused to fight in 2004

What did the email say?