Again I love it when white folk get all up @ arms about racism when it may involve OBAMA...

[xultar]

But people barely blinked about the racist comments said about about Tiger I posted earlier in the week.

Please don't piss me off y'all. If you're going to care about race. You better care about it when happens to the people you don't know or have no association with as well as the candidate you support.

This eye opening racism thing y'all are displaying as it relates to Obama and no one else makes me laugh like a muthafucka.

[Captain Hilts]

1. There were immediate recriminations for the woman who said it and she's been suspended. Resolved...

and not a whole lot to say about it.

I've always been fascinated on the absence of anger by black women that he married a white woman from Sweden. Some black women are having a hard go of it finding men....

[xultar]

3. She hadn't been when I posted it. And the post about it got barely a whisper.

[Captain Hilts]

6. I live on ESPN and the Golf Channel's options for disciplining her were widely discussed...

because the GC said it was going to do something. And they did.

The most honest discussions of race on television take place on "Pardon the Interruption" on ESPN. Check it out.

[xultar]

10. I'm talking about DU.

[Captain Hilts]

13. Yes. But from the get-go the Golf Channel said it was going to do something...

they didn't dilly dally about it. So, everyone knew that this woman was going to be punished. Not much to debate other than to say, "Yes, she deserves it."

[xultar]

19. So. As long as something is done about it DU doesn't need to be alarmed?

Won't that impact the election...racism?

[terisan]

12. Tiger Woods considers himself MULTICULTURAL and claims 1/4 African American heritage.

He is just as much or more "white" as black and seems to take take pride in all of his ancestry.

There seem to be a lot of weird ideas being floated about race-however that term is being defined today.

Incidentally Tiger Woods has spoken up for the right of private golf clubs to discriminate.

[Captain Hilts]

14. True. He doesn't consider himself 'black'. He thinks of himself as more Asian.

And it's okay for clubs the PGA works with to discriminate against women. I don't know how he feels about playing at clubs that don't let Jews in.

[xultar]

22. Yeah he's Asian so that's o.k.

[terisan]

25. Only you are suggesting it is ok.

[2rth2pwr]

26. She is Tiger's buddy, she was flippant with a word that has returned to pop culture

But Tiger blew it off and said it was no big deal, she's my friend.

[Captain Hilts]

41. She's been a big booster of his for a long time. As has the Golf Channel. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Isn't He 1/4 Cherokee 1/4 African American 1/2 Cambodian

Race is a social construct anyway...

[Bucky]

40. Wow, talk about an overachiever!

[NoQuarter]

17. Um, it took days for them to address this.

After five days of dithering, the Golf Channel has finally suspended commentator Kelly Tilghman for two weeks for her on-air comment January 4, suggesting young players looking to break into the game should "lynch Tiger Woods in a back alley." At first Golf Channel officials blew off the controversy, saying that they had gotten very few complaints about Tilghman's appalling attempt to get a laugh.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080128/zirin

[roguevalley]

48. i hadn't heard about Tiger. I have to read more widely and not at

work. :)

[bdamomma]

2. Bill Moyers PBS show should be very good tonite

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

[thoughtcrime1984]

4. Why do you love it?

Why get so angry? Is there a rule that we all must judge every situation equally, regardless of content or intent?

[xultar]

8. Racism agains one black person is racism agains them all. when I see people caring about

OBama it makes me think it is just because he is OBama. But if Obama wasn't running would these folks be givin a shit know.

This is DU where white liberals called Charles Rangel an Uncle Tom. And they expect me to think that now they give a shit about Racism.

PUHLEEZ.

[thoughtcrime1984]

15. I'm not one of those people

Just so you know.

[Blaze Diem]

20. wtf are you taking about? How dare you call every white skinnid person on DU

or elsewhere racist. Not all black people will support just Obama because he is black.
You are the one with racial issues.
This thread is seriously intended to do nothing but flame.
Bye.

[xultar]

23. I didn't say any one was a racist. I am saying people only care when it involves Obama.

[LostinVA]

45. Good grief, the poster isn't saying that at all

[tigereye]

34. comments about Woods were awful and should have been addressed -

as usual I agree with your frank assessment of this Xultar.

[Captain Hilts]

42. The speed with which the situation was resolved by the network made debate unnecessary.

Xultar is making gross generalizations and, clearly, is unfamiliar with the network and its programming.

[Bluerthanblue]

50. please don't

lump everyone together into piles that you can dismiss or judge as being "_________" based on the actions of a few assholes.

I don't need to defend myself, because I know that what you are saying does not fit me- but if I just sit back silent while you make prejudiced statements about people based in large part about the color of their skin- then am I any better than those who I condemn for doing the same thing in reverse?

I DO believe that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

I'm sorry your post about Tiger Woods didn't elicit the response it should have.

Please don't use your understandable frustration about that to attack others who may very well be undeserving of your anger.

peace~
blu

[Blaze Diem]

5. Who said we don't care about it?

I see nothing about this hateful issue that is laughable.
I find it disgusting.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

7. Um, there was tremendous anger voiced about the remarks against Tiger

In fact, the broadcaster who made the comments has been suspended due to the protests.

Furthermore, this is a Blog about Democrats and Obama is a Democratic candidate while Tiger is a golfer. Should be obvious why we're focusing on Obama on this kind of blog.

[xultar]

9. Racism is racism. On DU in 2k4 Duers felt it o.k. to call Charles Rangel an UNCLE TOM

because he didn't support Dean.

Now they are all about racism when it applies to Obama.


Please...that makes me angry and I have a right to be.

[Bake]

11. I was outraged about the racist comment re: Tiger

But I may not have posted because I haven't ventured into GD or GDP much lately. Too much craziness going on in here!

Bake

[JuniperLea]

16. Are you for Obama, xultar?

I haven't really been paying much attention to who is for whom around here... except for the obvious numb nuts who don't do their candidate any good at all by being smug, rude, condescending and obnoxious.

Who are you for? May I ask?

[xultar]

21. I'm for the nominee. I have issues though when I see the same people who called Rangel

an Uncle Tom when he didn't support Dean. These are the same people for Obama.

[JuniperLea]

27. I hear you...

I think they think they are appearing soooo progressive. I'm betting few of them have Black neighbors;) Or Black friends who actually come to dinner, hang out, go partying, etc.

I'm going to vote my conscience in the primary, and for the nominee in the general. My conscience tells me to vote for the one most likely to prosecute the criminals currently in office.

[sandnsea]

32. Dean people are all over the place

Most support Edwards, many support Hillary. More Clark and Kerry people support Obama than anything. You are for Hillary. It's quite clear. There's a difference between ONE comment against Tiger, and this absolute slew against Obama. Especially since it's coming from the Clinton campaign. Your OP is ridiculous, completely assinine.

[Bonobo]

18. I saw the video. I didn't think it was as big a deal as I expected.

Oh, and don't you even dare think you can paint me with the "R" brush.

On the video, it looked like they were in the middle of laughing and she said something with no forethought at all. She really just meant to say he should be "killed" but accidentally used the word "lynch". My impression was no racism was intended. You can agree or disagree but do not dare to call me a racist over not agreeing with your opinion on the intent of it.

[IndianaJones]

24. I posted about racial inequality in Iowa and got responses such as...

what racial inequality and what do you want to do, bus people in.

most are not aware of the racial climate in this country.

I post on race issues from time to time and they sink like a rock. HIV/AIDS rates in the African American community, racism in the media directed at Barack Obama some months ago. No one cares.

[2rth2pwr]

28. It's because they see Obama as their Imaginary Hip Black Friend. nt

[BellaLuna]

29. I agree.. ALL white DUers are closet racists

doesn't sound so good does it? We will NEVER get anywhere with blanket statements.

This place is full of racists, homophobes, misogynists, and other closed-minded assholes, many of whom are here simply to stir up trouble, some simply cannot see their thinking is flawed. However, I doubt all white posters were not offended by the crap said about Tiger Woods.

I understand you calling out the hypocrits on this issue, I just feel it would have been much more productive if you had worded it a bit differently.

On another note - I would imagine the outrage for Obama is a bigger issue here because this is a political website and he is running for president for the party this website represents.

[Catherine Vincent]

31. Word up!

:kick:

[sandnsea]

33. Yeah, cuz the First Black President

is just like that unknown twit who made one horrible comment as opposed to the long line of shit that has come out of the Clinton campaign.

[bunnies]

35. I didnt see your post about Tiger...

but if you were talking about the golf channel woman. I think she should have been fired. No excuse for that kind of shit.

[cali]

36. Jim Clyburn is white?

Who knew?

[Captain Hilts]

44. So's Van Clyburn. nt

[DrFunkenstein]

37. Do You Think Calling People "White Folk" Really Helps Things?

You can refer to white people as the royal "y'all" but it only seems to grind things down from getting at the heart of things. I appreciate that you laugh like a muthafucka at the eye opening racism thing, but eye-for-an-eye comments just keep us in the same old-same old.

That said, I didn't blink at the Tiger Woods comment because I didn't see it. I am vocal against any of that kind of talk, even when people are calling Ann Coulter unfortunate names.

(And that said, I still think the Donnie McClurkin people are not helping their own cause by losing a sense of proportion. Flame away.)

[Bucky]

46. I'm white. I'm a folk. I'm not offended.

But I'm not offended by an accurate label. I'm offended by sweeping generalizations. I fucking hate it when someone calls me a "European-American"--that one really burns my britches. I refuse to be defined by some oversimplified demographic label, but being called white isn't really such a bad thing.

[rasputin1952]

38. A thought on race...

for one thing, racism should be exposed and fought on every front. While I find racism vile, I also know that just because a person is black, white, asian, hispanic...whatever, I do not automatically have to either accept that person and certainly not reject that person based on race.

Racism, like sexism and intolerance of religion/non-religion is a cancer that will hopefully someday be excised, but whenever we "see" racism, it may not be that at all. There is overt racism, the KKK, the Black Panthers, Nazi's, etc; but there are also gaffe's that people pull inadvertently, not meaning any harm. Dumb statements should not be automatically be considered racist.

Then there is the very real and potent problem of hidden racism, sexism, etc,feelings many have that are not overt, like the guy in the garage that ups his prices because a woman shows up w/a car that has an problem, or the guy who sells, something to another at a far higher price, because, "they have all the money".

There are "bad" people in every aspect of a society, but we should deal with the bad, and embrace the others. Whites are not he only racists in this country, or on the planet, there is plenty of hate to go around, virtually all of it unfounded. The situation is that we all have to realize one simple fact, we are all human, and we should treat each human we come across just as we would like to be treated. Unless someone does something to harm us, or society, we should be to the point where we can look them in the eye and they us. Male, female; black, white, asian, hispanic...whatever, we are all equal unless we do something to prove otherwise. If a black man robs a bank, I cannot see where i should think all black men would rob a bank, that, on the face of it is absurd. What has happened in the past should teach us that hatred does nothing but breed more hatred.

But we should also see that not everything can be blamed on "racism". Some may say or do something that to them is innocuous, but to others may be offensive. To hang the moniker of racist upon someone when it is not deserved, not only does that person great harm, but also harms the rest of humanity as well.

We cannot change what "race" we are, but we can change our attitudes and biases, and adhere to
the notion that we are all part of just one "race", the human race. And we should never allow our more shallow side rise to the point where we allow it to control us.

Just my two cents...from one Du'er to other Du'ers.

[Bucky]

39. Thank you for assuming that all white people think alike. I find that refreshing.

Oops, did I type "refreshing"? I meant say "banal"

[Captain Hilts]

43. Xultar, do you know who 'Mookie Wilson' is? Google him. He's a great man. nt

[eShirl]

47. white folk didn't read your thread about a pro golfer, therefore we are racist

bye

[Bonobo]

49. Wanted to kick this so we could see where some of the poo came from.