Is there a difference between Edwards and Hillary?

[ProSense]

Why would someone switch from Edwards to Hillary?

Can someone be specific about the differences and why someone would from Edwards to Clinton? Thanks.

[AndyA]

1. There are huge differences between Edwards and Clinton.

I would only switch (reluctantly) if Edwards dropped out.

Kucinich seems to be closest to Edwards of all the candidates, and he's also the best match for my interests, but I just never saw him as having a chance, which is really sad.

We have to get money out of our elections, we will never have the best people for the job until we do. :(

[PATRICK]

8. In presidential primaries

we lose the ability to get blocks of delegates for platform and party changes. All the bad symptoms follow the money and so unfortunately does the "winner" regardless of purpose or performance. despite the contentiousness there is still a winner take ALL mentality to which everyone must submit everything, including discussion.

[fenriswolf]

2. realistically if their was no differance in your perception of the

two candidates as a responsable democrate I would think you would go from hillary to obama as democrats hate dictatorship, the longer someone is in power the more a danger they are of becoming a dictator (ask FDR why we have term limits for presidents) so shouldnt the same be applied to dynasties?

[End Of The Road]

4. You might consider reading "Idiot's Guide to American History"

[fenriswolf]

10. ok if i have stated information incorrectly please point it out

instead of leaving a snarky remark.

[End Of The Road]

13. Ask Teddy Roosevelt...

why we have term limits?

What did Teddy have to do with it?

Now Franklin Delano, on the other hand...

As to dictatorship in the USA, it takes a criminal, a traitor, to defy the constitution, and so far it hasn't been done, though I think GWB has given it a really good try.

Edited for punctuation.

[fenriswolf]

26. so sorry, that was FDR that helped establish term

limits for the US, (sorry i get the roosevelts mixed around from time to time) we changed the term limits to a total of two because FDR had been in power so long and had so many friends in high places (had congress by the balls and almost has a majority in SCOTUS) my point being power shifts from person to person so that not one person can consolidate the loyalty and power of the united states.

[Barack_America]

3. Whoa! Is there a difference between night and day? n/t

[DJ13]

5. Why would someone switch from Edwards to Hillary?

Insanity?

A lack of moral fortitude?

I dont get it either.

Hillary has been effectively running for President since her first run for Senate, so you would think anyone with two braincells would have already decided if they were going to support her.

Obama is the only real choice.

:hide:

[Kucinich4America]

6. I've been wondering that myself.

The main appeal of Edwards this time around is his populist, anti-corporate rhetoric, which he's borrowed from Dennis, in my opinion. But assuming his supporters believe he means it, why in the name of all that is holy would they even consider switching to the corporatist poster girl (literally, given that Fortune mag cover)??

[robbedvoter]

7. Three: She didn't sponsor the IWR. She could win. 3. Not running from her record

[ProSense]

12. OK, but why were you supporting Edwards in the first place, his sponsorship is old news? n/t

[robbedvoter]

16. I never supported Edwards. Not supporting Hillary either. Simply answered your question.

[ProSense]

17. Ah, sorry! n/t

[Proud2BAmurkin]

9. I switched from Edwards to Hillary

because I thought Hillary could neutralize the PUKE's candidate on national security and blow them away on domestic issues. I didn't think Edwards had the same heavy weight status in the natiional security/experience arena.

[ProSense]

14. So your support for Edwards had nothing to do with his populist message? n/t

[robbedvoter]

20. I guess he initially thought Edwards could neutralize the puke on national security

:sarcasm:
More of this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4024473

[Proud2BAmurkin]

29. It did but my doubts that he could win because of national security ended up trumping that

but I'd be a lot more optimistic if he got the nom than Obama

[RaleighNCDUer]

27. On what grounds do you say she has national security experience?

Please elaborate.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

30. It will be a Billary presidency. 8 years of successful foreign policy. The world loves the Clinton

eom

[ProSense]

31. So your goal is to elect Bill Clinton to third term? n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. IOW, SHE has no national security experience.

We're going to elect HER to tap into BILL'S national security experience.

Sorry, he's had his two terms.

[Yael]

11. Ginormous differences. She stands for everything he speaks out against

They are the anti-candidates.

[redqueen]

15. Healthcare is the biggest difference IMO...

also his willingness to admit his stance on and support for the IWR was wrongheaded.

As for why they'd switch that way... no idea.

[rucky]

18. Follow the money. n/t

[ProSense]

21. What does that mean in relation to the question? n/t

[rucky]

22. It means I'd be stumped, too.

and i'm not a very careful reader. :P

[IndianaJones]

19. Edwards is well to the left of both Clinton and Obama. nt.

[Clark2008]

25. Not really - he just talks as though he is.

His votes while in the Senate were on par, if not a bit more conservative, than Hillary's.

[William769]

23. Yes one is a female, and one is a male.

[ProSense]

24. That's a reason for switching? n/t

[dmosh42]

28. The biggest difference is about a 60 million dollar IOU to 'big business...

The same as Obama. I do find humor in that since I've been on DU, there are huge amounts of posts ranting against the ties with big business by many in Congress, and how we don't get a voice. So now we should all forget that, because we need to win at any price. Well, it looks like we'll have to back one or the other,(Obama, Clinton) eventually, but they ARE the biggest recipients of 'big business' money, and that includes the Republicans. But, until the primaries are over, neither Obama, nor Clinton will have my support.

[Sparkly]

33. On policy positions and proposals, they're very similar. nt

[OHdem10]

34. First I am Liberal, my passion is social justice--my focus is

wealth gap, therefore Trade Policy, Jobs, Health Care are at top.
I support Edwards because he was the first to have the courage to
come out and state unequivocally Trade Policies underlie many of
the socioeconomic problems in the U.S>. In other words he clearly showed
he had studied the Issue understanding it fully. He did not knee-jerk
say we should ban Trade or Cancel Policies. He did say it appears
we need to renegotiate these trade deals in such a way as to make
the playing field more fair. Like wise he said; as any legislation
comes to his desk. he will have it evaluated and make sure the legislation
does not do harm to the Middle Class and Poor. This tells me he
truly understands what has happened. At present every piece of legislation
is designed the Corporations and Business Interest with very little
concern about how it affects the middle class and poor. This is what
is running our country in a ditch and will ultimately destroy our
Democracy. I could go on and on--but this should give you an overall
impression of how I thinK and how I reached my conclusion.

The fact that Edwards was courageous enough to come loudly and strongly
was a selling point. To come across as a populist brings derision
from the Corporatists and Corporate Media. This did not stop him.
How could I not like him and admire him. This convinced me that if
given the chance in the WH he would stand on his principles and mine.

If you want to know the truth, I do not believe HRC is to far from
Edwards --IN Her Heart--but I want to be sure her HEAD convinces
her to act. Hilary's History has shown her to be compassionate
and willing to work hard on behalf of people. She has publicly
admitted Nafta has been a dissappointment and did not work out as
had been hoped. She was never for Nafta, but as first lady could
not run around contradicting her husaband. She is willing to and
plans to spend sometime with others and carefully review all Trade
Agreements and figure out some action to take.

Why Edwards first and Hilary second. Since he showed such courage
in the beginning, I feel I cannot abandon him now.

Also, I just want to be sure Hilary will not let the
Business and Corporations once again throw our people under the
bus. I am inclined to believe her when she says she will stand
up to Corporate Powers. i guess I need to hear it a few more
times.


Yes, I just plain like them both.

[unc70]

35. Edwards: Troops out first year. Clinton (and Obama): Start withdrawing troops

Edwards would immediately stop ALL combat operations, quickly withdraw 40-50,000, and then complete the withdrawl of all remaining troops by the end of his first year in office, with the exception of the Marines guarding the embassy. (So he does not remove ALL troops; Richardson tried to make a point with this but his definition of "all troops" excluded the embassy guards.) Edwards would also stop the use of Blackwater et al.

Clinton and Obama would immediately start withdrawing troops, but each of them actually foresees US "anti-terrorism" operations continuing indefinitely. When pressed during a debate, Clinton said that there might still be US combat operations in Iraq at the end of her first term (2013).

In that same debate, Obama takes a slightly-narrower positions than Clinton; he references special forces/ops rather than combat activities. It appears he doesn't include Green Berets, Seals, etc. in his definition of combat troops.



I suspect that most Edwards supporters will stand with him; neither Clinton nor Obama should have any illusions that they would benefit if Edwards would withdraw. Where would their supporters go if either of them dropped out?

I would likely not support either Clinton or Obama except for the GE.

BTW I think we are now seeing a lot of bigotry directed towards Southern white males.

[ProSense]

36. Kick! n/t

[Adelante]

37. In New Hampshire 2008, Edwards 2004 voters went to Obama more than to Hillary

According to this analysis I saw today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4036984&mesg_id=4036984

You might find it interesting, ProSense.

[ShadesOfGrey]

38. My guess is that some are switching because...

they believe the hype that Edwards is no longer viable and it's now a 2 person race.

[ProSense]

39. Kick! n/t