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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:36 AM
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Clinton's Ham handed Vegas Walking tour
A day after the 60,000-member Culinary Union endorsed Illinois Sen. Barack Obama for president, Clinton walked a northeast Las Vegas neighborhood heavy with Culinary workers and won the support of several.

Her campaign’s message: the endorsement means nothing and Culinary members should follow their conscience and not the order of union Secretary-Treasurer D. Taylor.

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But Thursday was a day of free media for Clinton, who was followed by a hoard of cameras and notebook bearing reporters as she walked with Assemblyman Ruben Kihuen through a Latino neighborhood in his district.

Clinton was making an appeal to Latino voters, who make up about 40 percent of Culinary membership.

Obama and Clinton are fighting hard for Latino voters. Both have invested heavily in the effort, airing Spanish language radio ads and hiring dozens of bilingual organizers between them.

Clinton’s walk through the neighborhood wasn’t exactly a spontaneous stroll. The homes Clinton visited were the same ones that Kihuen canvassed with a Sun reporter last month, which seemed to undercut any claim to authenticity.

Many of the neighborhood residents either weren’t citizens or weren’t registered.

Clinton must have been a bit baffled, for instance, when Kihuen took her to visit Esperanza Solorio, who’s not a citizen. Kihuen explained her importance: She is a community activist who can move voters.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:45 AM
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1. Sad
"Clinton must have been a bit baffled, for instance, when Kihuen took her to visit Esperanza Solorio, who’s not a citizen. Kihuen explained her importance: She is a community activist who can move voters."

Do you want us to reach out to or not to reach out to our Latino brothers and sisters based on their citizenship status?

I love all my Latino brothers and sisters regardless of whether they are a citizen or not...

Viva Hillary...


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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:49 AM
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2. I did not say that.
I just found it amusing that she is cavassing for votes in an apperntly stated event and a large portion of the people she talks with can't vote.


I think it makes her look silly.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:52 AM
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3. It Shows How Universal Her Outreach Program To Our Latino Brothers And Sisters Are
Maybe that's why she leads among them by greater than 3-1 margins...

Viva Hillary...
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:54 AM
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5. Sure when they are "ringers"
Admit it......it was poorly staged by her team in Las Vegas.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:03 AM
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6. I Am More Interested In Substance Than Theatre
And everywhere I go in Orlando where there is a burgeoning Latino community which is predominately but not exclusively Puerto Rican the affection for Hillary Clinton is amazing...She will do very, very well among Hispanic voters, working class white voters, older folks especially women, and that will be her key to success on Superdooper Tuesday...

Hillary -the common person's choice...
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:06 AM
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7. Not all of us are with her. Sadly, Mexican-Americans
and other groups have beefs against black Americans so... yeah, I know my people and I know what's up.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:15 AM
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11. Never Suggested That
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 08:19 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
No group is a monolith...

My mom's physician who I would walk over hot coals for is Puerto Rican and Republican...Heck,Coulumba Bush is Hispanic and Republican as is George P. Bush and the rest...

But the vast majority of them are Democratic and for Hillary...
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:53 AM
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4. "Free media" for HC? I hardly saw her on the MSM coverage at all.
From the news coverage, few would have known that she was even in Nevada. She has to take her campaign to the people because the media will not cover her as it doing for Obama and the Republicans. After all, she made them all look like chauvinist fools in NH.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:12 AM
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10. Except Hillary Clinton's "walking tour" is on the front page of the Las Vegas Sun.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 04:39 PM
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25. But my point was that all day yesterday and last night I heard ditz about
Hillary in Las Vegas. It was all about the union support for Obama and the Rethugs.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:07 AM
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8. Link to the article from Las Vegas Sun. Obama arrives in Las Vegas today; rally at Del Sol H.S.
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 08:08 AM by flpoljunkie
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/11/campaigning-here-clinton-goes-over-culinarys-head/

Obama arrives today for a rally at Del Sol High School. The doors open at 5 p.m. He will return Sunday and Monday. Before that event, he’ll solidify his support with the Culinary by accepting its endorsement at a union hall rally.

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:09 AM
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9. Ham Handed OP attempt to smear Sen Clinton. Link to whole news story here:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/11/campaigning-here-clinton-goes-over-culinarys-head/
Campaigning here, Clinton goes over Culinary’s head
The union backed Obama, but she’s pitching members, one by one

Just beneath the smiles and the hugs and the flash of cameras, Sen. Hillary Clinton played in-your-face politics in a visit to Las Vegas on Thursday.
A day after the 60,000-member Culinary Union endorsed Illinois Sen. Barack Obama for president, Clinton walked a northeast Las Vegas neighborhood heavy with Culinary workers and won the support of several.
Her campaign’s message: The endorsement means nothing and Culinary members should follow their conscience and not the order of union Secretary-Treasurer D. Taylor. It was a political kick in the shins to Obama and the union, all delivered with the New York senator’s trademark wide grin.
Asked about this shrewd maneuver, a Clinton aide merely laughed and claimed ignorance.

It was another sign the campaign is reaching new levels of intensity here. With the Culinary endorsement, Obama grabbed a significant advantage, but Clinton showed Thursday she’s intent on winning here Jan. 19 to maintain her momentum following victory in Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary.
But Thursday was a day of free media for Clinton, who was followed by a horde of cameras and notebook-bearing reporters as she walked with Assemblyman Ruben Kihuen through a Hispanic neighborhood in his district.
Clinton was making an appeal to Hispanic voters, who make up about 40 percent of Culinary membership. Obama and Clinton are fighting hard for Hispanic voters. Both have invested heavily in the effort, airing Spanish-language radio ads and hiring dozens of bilingual organizers between them.

Marhayra Bermudez, a Culinary member who works in the kitchen at Bally’s, said she’s ignoring the Obama endorsement and backing Clinton. Many of her co-workers are doing the same, she said.
Clinton stopped at the home of Gilberto and Elizabeth Santana and their two young children. Elizabeth Santana is a housekeeper at Harrah’s who cleans 16 rooms during every eight-hour shift. She’s supporting the family because her husband was injured on the job and can’t work.
Gilberto Santana asked Clinton about immigration and said he hoped more of his friends and family could work in the country legally.
Clinton explained her proposal to secure the border but provide a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, provided they pay a fine and back taxes, and try to learn English.
The event gave Clinton some pitch-perfect TV moments. Sitting on the Santana couch, looking concerned as Gilberto Santana explained the family’s financial difficulties, Clinton said, “If we don’t take care of our children, we don’t care of our future.” She was once on the board of directors for the Children’s Defense Fund.
more at link
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:40 AM
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14. delete, wrong place
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 08:44 AM by MethuenProgressive
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:20 AM
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12. I don't see what's ham-handed about it, especially
It's retail politics. She has to do it some way or other. There's nothing unusual about this way.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:50 AM
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18. It is not retail politics.,,, it is theater and the lead actor is chewing scenery
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 09:27 AM
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20. Retail politics is all theater
I just find this insignificant. :shrug:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:29 AM
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13. What do you mean by "Ham handed"?
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 08:35 AM by Seabiscuit
It's not in Wikipedia.

Did she hand someone a virginia ham?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:42 AM
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16. It Means Clumsy
If she gave away hams that could be seen as bribery...

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:47 AM
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17. Oh. In that case, I don't see anything "clumsy" about her walking tour.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 10:48 AM
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22. Perky Said She Was Clumsy Because She Had The Temerity To Talk To A Woman Who Wasn't A Citizen Yet
Sounds like a neighborly thing to do to me...
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:57 AM
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24. Wasn't she full of "hope" and "change"?
:silly:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:42 AM
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15. What's so wrong about HRC campaigning in the Hispanic community?
:shrug:
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:52 AM
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19. Not a thing
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codeindigo Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 09:44 AM
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21. isn't she running for the presidency?
this is common ..right?:shrug:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:55 AM
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23. Add me to the chorus: What's ham handed about it?????
She did what every good politician does: She took it to the people and respectfully asked for their support. I like it when politician's do that because it shows humility and that they are not taking for granted my vote.

Go Hillary!!!

Si se puede, si se puede!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 04:42 PM
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26. K&R! for hope and change!
Yea right. :eyes:
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