Barack's support among white voters is inversely proportional to his support among black voters

[antiimperialist]

That is my theory.

I hold the notion that America is still racist. Not violently racist as was the case up to the early-mid 20th century, but racist.

With this said, I believe that many whites have been attracted to Obama because up until recently, he was not even the top favorite candidate among African Americans. Hillary was. Whites said, "hey look, we can make Obama our candidate!".
Today I hear a reverend scolding the Clintons for playing the race card. Things are heating up. Polarization is beginning to emerge.
This might rally many African Americans to probably despise the Clintons and flock towards Obama's side in large numbers. If this happens, however, whites will be turned off. They do not want to share a candidate with African-Americans. Blacks liked Kerry, whites liked Bush (even among women, Bush beat Kerry 55%-44%). Blacks liked Gore, Whites liked Bush. Blacks liked Dinkins, Whites liked Giuliani.

[Colobo]

1. It'll be what it'll be, so stay tuned.

[Bicoastal]

4. 'Sgonna be a looong weekend coming up.

I plan to spend most of it away from the idiot box.

[Yael]

2. You need to step away from the computer and go and

get a good night's sleep. You are starting to lose it.

:hi:

[antiimperialist]

8. Advice accepted, being that Edwards' fans are experts in how to "lose it"

And by "it", I mean elections.

[AX10]

12. True.

I don't want to bash Edwards but it's true that his fans are experts at "losing it"!
:rofl:

[Blaze Diem]

25. Edwards & his Fans aren't the ones batting around the race card.

Maybe we're still the only sane and progressive ones out here. Maybe we see the Presidential nominee as a person who can make it through the process by focusing on what truly needs to be done to save this bleeding Nation from its death, ala GW Bush.

Why rag on us?
Seems the battle is between Hillary and Obama and which side is playing the race card to their advantage.
Edwards and his fans aren't the cause of that shit. What does Mr. Obama have to say about this race thing with the Clintons.? Has he taken the high road? Has he made a statement on this?

Leave Edwards out of the rage. He's not part of it. Didn't cause it, can't cure it, and cannot control the battle between Obama/Clinton.
Its not his issue.
He has greater things to focus on in his campaign message. Like releasing this great Nation from the choke-hold of Corporate ownership.

[AX10]

26. Talk to Yael, who brought up the topic.

I do agree that Edwards is a serious candidate and wants to see great change. He is somewhat to my left but that's o.k by me.
I would proudly vote for him and volunteer too should he get the nomination.

[Yael]

29. What did I bring up other than suggesting a good night's sleep?

[Adelante]

44. Not Edwards, but his fans

Have posted more outrageous racist bilge on this forum than Clinton supporters ever dreamed of posting.

[Blaze Diem]

49. Rascist bilge heard from all three, actually.

ALL the top three's Fans are bilge spewing rascists.
according to you and how you speak..about others.

[Hobarticus]

22. Classy, to the end. Goodnight! eom

[Yael]

27. Let me guess. This is your first election.

:)

[DrFunkenstein]

42. As an Obama Fan, That's Pretty Cheap

It seems that you have some unresolved issues to deal with, but kicking people while they're down may not be the best way to work them out.

[usregimechange]

3. I disagree, we don't need or want racist votes.

They vote for Republicans anyway minus a few Bush swing Dixiecrat voters. Obama will attract 10 times more independents and previous non-voters.

[sandnsea]

5. Obama leading SC whites and blacks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4030619

[IndianaJones]

6. As soon as his white support has to start thinking about race issues...they will dry up. nt.

[Colobo]

13. You think so, or you are hoping?

[1corona4u]

14. Yep, and the more it gets brought up, the quicker that will happen...

I said it a few days ago, people need to drop the race issue, or Obama's done. There's just no way the voting population of 12% blacks, can survive without the voters of the 80% whites. Not even to mention the issues he might have with Hispanic voters...

My friend told me today, that the blacks she works with are already getting attitudes towards the whites.(she works at Home Depot)

I'm so glad I work from home...

[Tess99]

15. Getting attitudes towards whites? LOL

The nigras are getting too prideful and strong minded!!!! AAAAHHHHH!!!

[1corona4u]

16. No,, that's not the direction it was....

and I'm not going to repeat it here, but it was not because they were 'filled with glee'.

[IndianaJones]

17. that has been his savviness so far. you don't gain the white vote in a state like IA...

by confronting the statewide racism.

[Hobarticus]

28. Which makes that comment tonight from Nevada so odd...

It was some head of the Foodserver's Union or whatever who said that Nevada isn't a "Wonderbread" state like Iowa...they have pumpernickel and wheat and rye...blah blah blah. I get it....we're largely white, Nevada is more diverse.

It was odd, and I'm sure he thought he was being clever. But if Iowa's such a Wonderbread state, which I suppose to the head of the Foodserver's Union automatically correlates into we don't like black people, then why did Obama win here? And since he did, then what does a largely white state population matter, if any given candidate is appealling regardless of race, which was the case?

I'm scratching my head over that one.

[IndianaJones]

30. Obama won because he did not raise issues of racial inequality.

The white population was comfortable with him. There is rampant racial disparity in Iowa, that if addressed, would have rendered Obama dead in the water.

[Hobarticus]

34. I disagree...

We're not a bunch of hayseeds out here. "Rampant racial disparity" maybe, but he got a fair shake here on the issues and his platform. I don't think anything could have changed that.

Anyhoo, I just thought the Nevada comment was odd. He was making it a race thing, long after it had already passed and been disproven.

[Kahuna]

41. Oh please. What a crock.

:eyes:

[DURHAM D]

33. That is my biggest fear.

Instead of a political and policy debate we are now experiencing a race trumps gender debate here at DU and way too much discussion about gender and race in the media instead of issues. I am concerned that it will lead to a split in the Democratic Party and a polarization in the country that will look like 1908 instead of 2008.

Perhaps this is the goal that Tweety and all of the boys are working toward.

[IndianaJones]

37. When white America starts to hear about issues of race....

real or perceived, their support of Obama will disappear.

[DURHAM D]

39. Agree.

Obama is using rightwing talking points and policies to draw support from the right and middle. It has been working. He threw old people and queers (the very demographic that helped usher in the civil rights reforms) off the bus to make those gains and that seems to be working.

He now has an unnatural political alliance. His support could disappear in a matter of hours if race enters into the national conversation.

[IndianaJones]

40. It is the problem I have with him and the dilemma he faces. nt.

[1corona4u]

46. Exactly.

[Barack_America]

7. I think you need to step away from your computer, do a little reading, and...

...take some time to forumulate your "theories". Seriously, you're all over the place and I simply don't follow you anymore.

[antiimperialist]

10. You don't follow me

Replying to my post while saying you don't "follow me" is like calling me from Paris and saying "I dont' travel to France anymore".

[LittleBlue]

9. Yes, it is a mass conspiracy by us racist white folks to elect a black Prez

:crazy:

[AX10]

11. There are still subtle racial issues in this country.

I must agree there.

[1corona4u]

18. From both sides...

[AX10]

23. True.

[IndianaJones]

19. its not subtle at all. white people do not want to be confronted with their own inherent racism.

as soon as they begin to consider race, its over for Obama.

[origin1286]

20. The truth is that

As someone mentioned on these forums before, America is fine electing a candidate who is black, but not a black candidate. Obama has done an expert job walking that line so far.

It's the same reason America embraces actors like Denzel Washington and Will Smith. They're not seen as great black actors, but rather great actors who happen to be black.

[AX10]

24. True about Washington, but..

Smith, a great actor? :shrug: :rofl:

[origin1286]

35. Cant argue with results

Everything Smith touches turns to gold. Maybe he doesn't fit what the critics say a good actor should be, but who really cares with the critics say if the majority of the people love him and love movies with him?

Not to say that to be great, one must be universally popular. But I don't see how one can be a universally popular actor and not be great.

BTW, his performance in I Am Legend was damn good.

[Hobarticus]

21. "They do not want to share a candidate with African-Americans" HUH?

Do you even know what you're talking about?

[seriousstan]

31. Totally unsupported by any scientific method......OK . I have weighed your theory and an empty bag.

The empty bag had some substance.

[Barack_America]

32. I can't believe this post is still getting replies. It's absurd.

His theory is obviously bullshit. I mean, how many of you here would actually change your vote because someone of a different race supported your candidate?

Most whites in this country would just assume that all blacks are going to be voting for Obama anyway. Whites who are supporting him would never be shocked to find out that blacks like him too. They'd be more shocked to hear that some African-Americans are actually supporting Hillary.

[Hobarticus]

36. It is absurd...

I think the sub-threads are generating more talk, now.

[Didereaux]

38. race will be a hidden issue in the general, bit a minor one in the primaries...except with maybe ...

southern blacks who may abandon Clinton for Obama. It is really Obamas choice to play or not play the race card. So far I think he has been smart and more or less stayed away from it, it ultimately in the primaries anyway will hurt him if he brings it in or is perceived as too 'sensitive' to the issue. Why? Because like or not Kiddies,it was the Democratic Party that freed the slaves in '64 and Democrats do not like to be called racists, true enough most nowadays are far removed from the bloody streets and such of the 60's but their remains an awful lot of us who fought the fight and do nopt like getting tagged by children who have not a clue of the realities.

So, it boils down this, keep the fucking race shit out of the primaries, there will be sufficient time when the general rolls around and then your energies will be needed in full.

[Skidmore]

43. Is that whiplash being treated?

Wow, that about face from supporting Edwards to supporting Clinton must have been a rough one.

[Adelante]

45. Facts? Numbers? Anything?

to back up your theory?

As a personal aside:

No whites I know ever liked Giuliani. I loved David Dinkins and still do. A real gent.

[spooky3]

47. women voted 51% to 48% for Kerry in 2004; your stats are for men only.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/

[MethuenProgressive]

48. If he were bright green, he'd still just be the "I'm Not Clinton" candidate.

I'm not Clinton, Hope, and Oprah.
That's a winning platform in America.