The "Official Rove Strategy for Obama" ,,,

[Didereaux]

The "Official Rove Strategy for Obama" When Rove or Kristol or et als praise an candidate off the o<[osition party in the primaries It makes it appear that in reality he is the one they fear most...therefor the stupid will conclude that the candidate is the strongest candidate. Being dull souls, and not prone to deep thoughts, or even shallow ones, they do precisely what Rove has intended, to put in place the opposition candidate that he thinks is the weakest one the opposition will be apt to choose.[br />
OHHHHH! Karl Rove doesn't control ME! yeah right. That fat ugly bastard didn't get where he is, nor what he achieved by being stupid. His sole weakness is that he believes that there can never be change in the human condition, i.e. that the psychology of the species is fixed...he is right, but it is a wider range than he apparently thinks(if I am wrong then the Kiddy Army will get their lessons about cause and effect first hand at theri and our expense.

But to restate: ANY candidate that the Repugs even remotely praise is who they think is the weakest. When that candidate appears to have a lock, they will then turn and ATTACK viciously the same candidate. Why? To solidify the candidates stupis core, AND to get the lies firmly in the minds of the electorate who up to that point have little or no attention to the matter of politics.

Bookmark this, save it, what ever I will gladly eat two crow pies and apply a dozen eggs to my face if what I said is wrong! Anyone care to offer to do the same if they oppose and I am right?

[AX10]

1. Forget it, we are in the minority here.

DU is controlled by hard line left wingers. We moderates don't belong here.
If they don't want to see what Rove & Co is doing, then let them be blind.
Just don't come crying to me in November when you lose.

[LittleBlue]

3. Whoah, did you just call DU a bunch of "hard line left wingers?"

That's Freeper talk!

[AX10]

5. No, that's the truth.

The Democratic party is supposed to be a big tent.
It is, but DU is no big tent. Not by choice of Skinner and Earl G, but by the members who join.

[avaistheone1]

4. All I know is that Karl Rove and the Republicans specialize in setting up

Democrats to take the fall.

The Republicans desparately want the Democrats to lose this election. I am confident they will go to any length, and tell any lie in order to maintain the presidency.

[Didereaux]

7. I agree in regards to moderates...but we have to keep trying, to much at stake

[Bicoastal]

2. But what if it's a double bluff?

What if he's playing scared of Obama, knowing that you'll pick a candidate he ISN'T scared off, when in reality he REALLY doesn't want you to vote for Obama?

This thread is :crazy:

[ArkySue]

6. "They " have thrown everything

they have at the Clintons,including the kitchen sink, and they're still standing. What will happen to Obama when the onslaught comes? Does he have skeletons in his closet? Just asking.

[Bicoastal]

8. Obama has done a good job of baring his soul in his books...

...and honestly, the Clinton stuff? Bill brought a lot of that upon himself--especially the womanizing part.

[AX10]

10. Claiming that Bill's problems make Hillary bad...

is absurd, but it's par for the course in these parts. :eyes:

[Jane Austin]

14. Yeah, but the wingers will bring it up again

and I'm really tired of having to live all their drama again.

[AX10]

15. Those problems are old news. Few care about them.

[avaistheone1]

12. People tell you what they want you to know in books.

(Sort of like Bush investigating Bush.) I wonder if Obama has been thoroughly vetted?

[NOVA_Dem]

9. Who's Bill been fucking since 2000? Just asking. n/t

[murielm99]

11. Who cares?

Are you Hillary?

[NOVA_Dem]

17. Sometimes it helps to follow a thread.

My comment was in response to a poster's "concern" about skeleton's in BO's closet so I expressed "concern" about new skeleton's in the Clinton's. And obviously HRC doesn't care that's why I believe she put up w/ his crap for her entire life to get to this point.

[Didereaux]

13. think about it a 'Double Bluff' is...

A double bluff is complex. Rove and all other 'evil' genii use the average intelligence level as the yardstick for how complex something can be before it will fail. The old 'KISS' Keep it Simple Stupid is the Universal Law in politics when dealing with elections and the voters. Bill Clinton an acknowledged master, perhaps better than Rove never varies from this rule when playing with voters.

The cardinal rule in this particular game is NEVER NEVER overestimate the intelligence of the voter, and nrver underestimate that of your opponent.

[AX10]

16. True.

[CoffeeCat]

18. All you have to do is look at Rove's editorial...

...and it is quite clear that he was out to completely destroy the man
at the core level--on many, many fronts.

They want to run against Hillary.

Rove totally eviscerated Obama, using language that ratchets up doubt about him and
plays into his weaknesses as a candidate. Rove used words to dig knives in Obama.

This was a major hit piece. Plain and simple.

Obama would garner votes from Republicans and he could peel off many Indy votes, in addition to
securing vast support of the Dems. I saw this broad appeal first-hand during the Iowa caucuses.
I meet Republicans who support Obama, almost daily. There's no way Hillary has that broad appeal.
20 percent of Dems would not vote for her, as a recent poll demonstrated.

A Hillary/Republican contest might give Hillary a narrow win. However, Rove and his magic math
machine figure that they can strip away any slight advantage she has with attacks and dirty tricks
and voter fraud.

The Republicans have no chance against Obama, and they know it.

These Republican bastards saw what happened in Iowa. Obama fueled a 100 percent increase in Democrat
participation, from 04. And 04 was a record year. There's no way they could steal it or defeat that
kind of rising tide.

Rove isn't that convoluted. He's pretty straight forward. If he wants someone out, he'll attack them.
He hit all of Obama's weak points---points that Hillary and team are trying to drive home. Rove put
a fine point on all of the Clinton themes against Obama.

The attack was so damaging, and so scathing---so well thought out and concise. The argument that he is
trying to turn people against Hillary, by feigning dislike for Obama--is ridiculous. Rove is not
faking his disdain for Obama. It is real and that WSJ editorial was meticulously designed to drive
Obama's campaign into the ditch. Rove is bloated with self importance. He got in on this game, because
of his ego. He wants to decide against whom their nominee runs. So, he wrote that article. Rove is a
powermonger who loves to destroy people. He did no damage to Clinton with that WSJ editorial. He helped her.

He set out to damage Obama with that article.

[Didereaux]

20. I disagree and hold your response as evidence of the truth of my contentions

[CoffeeCat]

22. Whatever...

You don't completely and in such concise, calculating terms---set out to help
someone, by harming them on such deep levels.

It doesn't make sense.

[protect our future]

19. Could there be a new factor in play here?

The fact that criticism of Obama could be interpreted as racial bias, so Republicans are suddenly playing nice, walking on eggshells to avoid that label and save their butts?

As far as Rove, it's hard for me to grasp the true intent of whatever he says, so I don't frustrate myself by trying. I mean, when you live your life trying to choose good over evil, and then there's someone else -- Rove -- who does just the opposite, in order to understand his intentions you have to kinda get in his skin and think like him. You have to mentally reverse yourself.

I didn't explain that very well at all, did I.

And oops, I didn't follow the thread either. Well, I just suck tonight.

[Didereaux]

21. They may try for a 'racial' split of the Democrats, I put nothing below Rove, and

as exampled in So Carolina and here on DU to a couple of minor gaffes that have blown out of all proportion, what you imply may be correct. Rove, or more possibly his opposition(the Repugs are split wide open, this is fact, but repugs don't practice their cannabalism in public) are trying for a knock-out before the general comes around. This is not a Rove trademark and so I would have to say it was probably the Huckabee religious wing who would be most apt to go nuclear to early.

[protect our future]

23. Yes, you may be correct.

I noticed that after the NH primary the cable news channels set the stage for a possible future knock-out.

[2rth2pwr]

24. Iocaine powder?

[Didereaux]

25. ??? but the pic is funny, good character actor

[2rth2pwr]

26. Your post reminded me of a classic scene in "The Princess Bride"

VIZZINI watches as the MAN IN BLACK takes the goblets, turns his back. A moment later, he turns again, faces VIZZINI, drops the Iocaine packet. It is now empty. The MAN IN BLACK rotates the goblets in a little shell game maneuver then puts one glass in front of VIZZINI and the other in front of himself.

MAN IN BLACK: All right: where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right and who is dead.

VIZZINI: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I'm not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

MAN IN BLACK: You've made your decision then?

VIZZINI: Not remotely. Because iocaine comes from Australia, as everyone knows. And Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

MAN IN BLACK: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

VIZZINI: Wait till I get going! Where was I?

MAN IN BLACK: Australia.

VIZZINI: Yes -- Australia, and you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

MAN IN BLACK: You're just stalling now.

VIZZINI: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong. So, you could have put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard which means you must have studied. And in studying, you must have learned that man is mortal so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

MAN IN BLACK: You're trying to trick me into giving away something -- it won't work --

VIZZINI: It has worked -- you've given everything away -- I know where the poison is.

MAN IN BLACK: Then make your choice.

VIZZINI: I will. And I choose what in the world can that be?

MAN IN BLACK: What? Where? I don't see anything.

VIZZINI quickly switches the goblets while the MAN IN BLACK has his head turned.

VIZZINI: Oh, well, I-I could have sworn I saw something. No matter.

The MAN IN BLACK turns to face him again. VIZZINI starts to laugh.

MAN IN BLACK: What's so funny?

VIZZINI: I'll tell you in a minute. First, let's drink -- me from my glass, and you from yours.

And he picks up his goblet. The MAN IN BLACK picks up the one in front of him. As they both start to drink, VIZZINI hesitates a moment. Allowing the MAN IN BLACK to drink first, he swallows his wine.

MAN IN BLACK: You guessed wrong.

VIZZINI: You only think I guessed wrong... ...that's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned. You fool.

The MAN IN BLACK sits silently.

VIZZINI: You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia." But only slightly less well known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!"

VIZZINI laughs and roars and cackles and whoops and is in all ways quite cheery until he falls over dead. The MAN IN BLACK steps past his corpse, taking the blindfold and bindings off BUTTERCUP, who notices VIZZINI lying dead. The MAN IN BLACK pulls her to her feet.

BUTTERCUP: Who are you?

MAN IN BLACK: I am no one to be trifled with, that is all you ever need know.

The MAN IN BLACK leads her off the mountain path into untraveled terrain.

BUTTERCUP: To think -- all that time it was your cup that was poisoned.

MAN IN BLACK: They were both poisoned. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to Iocaine powder.

[Didereaux]

27. priceless...had forgotten that scene