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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:44 AM
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Is snorting cocaine worse than smoking marijuana ?
Actually, one candidate has admitted to using cocaine but he didn't say if he snorted it, or smoked it, or shot up? Oh, never mind, Republicans would never bring that up...
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:45 AM
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1. Snorting marijuna would be the worst.
Only imho of course.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:48 AM
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32. I dunno. Huffing used cat litter could be the worst of the worst
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:46 AM
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2. Washington sniffed glue, Lincoln did Crystal Meth, and FDR was high on Peyote half the time!
My point is--who cares?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:46 AM
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4. Not you.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:49 AM
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11. Who cares?
Probably a lot of potential voters. We may have liberal beliefs about personal drug use, but I doubt that the same applies to the voting public, in general.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:55 AM
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17. This is just a small sample of the Republican attacks..
It will get much worse...
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:59 AM
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19. Oh, I agree.
Downplaying the potential harm these attacks can cause is misguided, as is trying to project our own personal beliefs onto the voting public.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:16 AM
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29. Old news
What, you think it's an accident he mentioned it in his book in several other instances? I'd call it a well executed and calculated maneuver.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:46 AM
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3. But, did he inhale?
(Sorry, on several levels....)
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:47 AM
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5. Yup. Most people of a certain generation have smoked pot but coke?
Not only is it a higher "level" drug, it smacks of being the "rich man's drug".
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:08 AM
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21. Unless you're talking about crack, which is the opposite...
poor man's drug
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:04 AM
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26. True but that wasn't what was mentioned!
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:47 AM
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6. Legally yes.
Furthermore you might get away with getting caught with a small amount of marijuana but never cocaine.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:47 AM
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7. Most Americans look down their noses on Cocaine use...
pardon the pun. But, yes, they do think it's worse than smoking pot. Cocaine is "the hard stuff".
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:48 AM
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8. What a thread.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:48 AM
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9. worse for what? n/t
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:48 AM
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10. Yes
Nobody died from smoking pot, and it's not addictive like cocaine is.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:49 AM
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12. The weird thing about cocaine, that I've found,
is that chronic users seem prone to lying an awful lot. At least based on the small sample I've had contact with. I mean, not just lying about drug use, per se, but about really weird shit. About everything.

It seems I'm highly resistant to the stuff--as was my father--so I never saw the attraction. Believe me, even the variations like lidocaine and benzocaine barely have an effect. When I had a root canal and some of the follow up work done, by the time it was in its final stages, the doc gave me the maximum possible dose just to be able to work on me. We were all worried that it wouldn't be enough.

Short answer? I certainly think so.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:50 AM
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13. It depends on what happens after... I'd say cocaine is overrated
Nothing like...oh, never mind...

Weed: :smoke: Cocaine: :freak:

As for who you're talking about, it was mentioned by the author in his own book. It also showed how that author survived it very well and is a great lesson for teenagers.

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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:52 AM
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14. No.
Our country needs to, yet again, join just about the rest of the world and stop demonizing drug use.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:58 AM
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18. Well, I would disagree with you.
99% of the child abuse, neglect and abandonment I saw was related to abuse of cocaine and methamphetamine. It was as if the abuse flipped the 'evil' switch on. In my humble opinion, if you want to use cocaine, don't parent - give custody of your child to a relative or whatever. You lose any decent level of human judgment. Paranoia and persistent agitation do not go along with parenting.

If you don't have kids to take care of, and you're not on the road, I don't care what you do.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:10 AM
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22. Where does alcohol factor into your experience?
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 01:17 AM by JackBeck
Besides one being legal and the other supposedly "illegal"?

I guess my frame of reference comes from a harm reduction background. Outside of the puritanical, Christian knee-jerk reaction of the United States, many countries have implemented environments where drug use is monitored by the medical community. The result: lower crime and overdose rates.

Your frame of reference seems to be different than mine. I've interacted with and seen many a person with an addiction able to negotiate successfully between their drug needs and family requirements. In my field, there seems to be an immediate assumption that one with a so-called illegal addiction in unable to care for a family unit. More often than not, in New York City, that doesn't seem to be the case.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:47 AM
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31. You'll forgive me if I doubt your story ..
I just don't believe that a drug abuser can successfully negotiate family responsibilities. That individual is busy GETTING HIGH; he or she certainly can't be counted on to fix dinner, go over the multiplication tables with the kids, and do the laundry. It takes everything I have to manage a schedule that meets my kid's needs. It's a 24/7 job.

There is NO comparison between alcohol abuse and methamphetamine/cocaine abuse. Ask anyone here who has parented and seen the effects of the drug. On one hand, you have persistent aggitation, paranoia, and delusions; on the other, you have much more milder symptoms.

That having been said, my father died due to his decades-long abuse of alcohol, from a related dementia; and, no, he couldn't successfully parent when he was an alcoholic; but, at least he wasn't threatening to throw me out of a second-story window (like a client on my caseload, in the past).

My daughter was adopted. Prior to her being placed with, and adopted by us, she suffered abuse, neglect and torture as a result of cocaine/methamphetamine abuse. I dealt with the effects. Please don't try and tell me about successful addict parenting.

I'm not arguing for addicts going to prison; and, I see no problem with completely decriminalizing pot. That having been said, I am not in favor of legalizing the use of cocaine, heroin, or methamphetamine. Out here in Southern California, we direct them toward treatment, and we protect their children while they are in treatment. We, by no means, adopt the attitude that they can be grand parents while getting high. I'm retired; I handled thousands of cases. Isn't it amazing that you are the one who saw successful addict-parenting? By the way, several who are close to me are current social workers, and nothing has changed.

Moreover, my social worker friend in New York City disagrees with your contentions.

I guess that we have to agree to disagree.

Know that, I will continue to fight for the protection of children from the effects of their parents' irresponsible and self-centered drug use.



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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:52 AM
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15. What about doing both at the same time...
while riding a unicycle and juggling chain saws?

What a dumb question. Grow up, it's 2008.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:54 AM
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16. "What a dumb question. Grow up, it's 2008."
I'm certain 99% of the nation agrees with you.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:07 AM
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20. Personally, I think that drinking and driving is worse than both... n/t
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:11 AM
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23. Republicans can't cast stones
Given that the current smuck-in-chief did cocaine in the white House during daddy's presidency, and their top radio personality is an admitted Oxycontin "hillbilly heroin" addict.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:15 AM
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24. That's never stopped them before.
Bush went AWOL, yet Rove's primary target was Kerry's military experience.

Shouldn't have worked, but people bought it. Hypocrisy is their motto.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:16 PM
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37. And that Bush is also a recovering alcoholic who was arrested for drinking...
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 12:17 PM by Kristi1696
and driving (which was the point of my post above).

We've had a much worse substance abuser in our highest office for the past 7 years.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:18 AM
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25. It is looked upon as worse.
Coke is considered a "hard" drug. Marijuana is not.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:08 AM
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27. Is the person smoking or snorting black or white?
Get a life!
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:13 AM
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28. Here's a bit of data:
"Long-tem cocaine effects are noticeable as cocaine abuse continues and tolerance builds. Since cocaine is a highly addictive drug, it can lead to major medical complications and health problems. Some of the these complications include heart disease, heart attacks, respiratory failure, strokes, seizures, and gastrointestinal problems. Other physical symptoms include convulsions, nausea, blurred vision, chest pain, fever, muscle spasms, and coma.

As the habit of using cocaine becomes increasingly important, behavior such as lying, heating, stealing, absenteeism at work and denying the use of cocaine, is an evident side effect. While these behaviors are not directly related to the use of cocaine, these cocaine effects are often present due to the lifestyle of the addict."

From: www.cocaine-effects.com/

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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:34 AM
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30. Thank you for your concern
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vee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:55 AM
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33. Is honesty more important than dishonesty?


Would you rather someone that tells you the truth or
would you rather someone that "did not inhale" or did not have sex with "That" woman or has trouble with the word "is"?

Are you fine with folks that look you in your face and lie?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:57 AM
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34. To me, they're equal
I wouldn't do either one but I certainly have other vices. Like pretzels.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:57 AM
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35. desperate much?
Just because your candidate's pathetic run is coming to an end, you're posting malicious shit? You sound just like Billy Shaheen or any freeper tool.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:01 PM
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36. Let me put it this way...
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 12:03 PM by Kucinich4America

Robert Nesta Marley, marijuana user


George Walker Bush Jr., cocaine user

Any questions? :evilgrin:
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