Obama Surrogate on Hardball: Hillary has "Democrats disease"

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

NH Congressman Paul Hodes (sp?) supporting Obama discussing Clinton:

She has what I like to call "Democrats disease." She has a list of issues and of forces to fight against.

(context: offered as a contrast with Obama offering people hope.)



No comment.

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. Yeah, Hodes was terrible

An awful performance.

What in hell he was talking about, I cannot imagine.

[debatepro]

2. wish there was

more con-text. interesting use of metaphor.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Maybe He Feels Health Care, Choice, And Affirmative Action Are Superfluous

~

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. I Heard That

If he thinks being a Democrat is a disease I have the antedote...

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. Issues... opponants... that's so 20th century.

[sufrommich]

44. It really is getting quite disturbing...

I have yet to see the Republicans reciprocate all this "togetherness"crap and I don't like to see Democrats mocking democratic ideals.

[maddiejoan]

6. Oh no!

She has a list of things to fight against!

Good!

I hope it's a fucking long long list!

[Fresh_Start]

7. ok, DU is on quarantine for Democrat disease

apparently being a Democrat is sick, sick, sick

[Maven]

8. Obama: "Why can't we all be Demopublicans?"

WHY???

[Fresh_Start]

9. didn't Pelosi and Reid try that already?

didn't think it worked well

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

10. In fairness, he remembered the "ic" and didn't call it "Democrat disease"

[terisan]

11. Obama must be appealing to some Nader voters who told us Dems were just as bad as Republicans

[terisan]

14. Sp this guy is campaigning for Obama by dissing the Democratic Party. Well it worked for

Lieberman.

[Essene]

12. Umm, is that contagious? *scared*

What does this even mean? lol

I realize they are trying to make him sound like an independent, but what exactly is this supposed to mean?

[NYCGirl]

13. I'd rather fight FOR something. (Although I'd like to know the context of the quote.)

I'll catch up with the later showing of Hardball.

[Maven]

15. Fighting FOR something inevitably means fighting AGAINST something else

unless your message is political escapism, in which case Republicans and RW corporate interests will just play nice and let you make progress unimpeded.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

17. I tried to convey it fairly, though limited by short-term memory

[KittyWampus]

16. It'd be nice to have some CONTEXT and an actual quote.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

22. Sorry. They don't post transcripts before the shows air. I did the best I could.

[tishaLA]

18. I didn't see it because I don't watch Matthews

unless it's absolutely necessary, but I think (without seeing it) that what he means is that Sen Clinton provides a laundry list rather than a narrative, a set of issues instead of a vision. I think that is actually a fair criticism, because what I think makes Edwards and Sen Obama so compelling--and what made Pres Clinton's speeches away from the State of the Union so compelling--is that they offer a narrative. So, for example, Pres Clinton spoke about a bridge to the 21st century, Edwards speaks about two Americas, and Sen Obama talks about hope. They are all vision narratives less than policy statements.

Is it a "Democrat's disease"? Perhaps. Republicans for the past 25 years have been more successful speaking about what Bush 41 called "the vision thing" better than Democrats (other than Pres Clinton) do (see Reagan, "Morning in America"; Gingrich, "Contract with America").

[Cameron27]

19. I heard that,

and it's clearly now part of Obama's platform. I'm still fighting for all those things on his list, so I must suffering the same disease that he's dissing.

[Reciprocity]

20. Obama has Bush disease all slogans no substance. n/t

[Politicub]

21. I'm suffering from democrats disease

and I don't wanna cure (Cheesy, I know)

[BootinUp]

43. me too, and I know where we can get help...

vote for Hillary.

[Eurobabe]

23. I watched this exchange, what was so offensive?

I haven't decided yet who I am supporting in the primary since my candidate dropped out after Iowa...but what do you think Hodes said that was so awful? He was simply pointing out that Obama represents something new and fresh. Perhaps reframing the fight a bit?

:shrug:

[Fresh_Start]

26. "DISEASE" to critique your opposition is offensive

but maybe you think diseased is a compliment?

[Eurobabe]

33. maybe it's the truth n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Respectfully , If You Think Being A Democrat Is Diseased There Are Other Options

~

[Eurobabe]

52. If you don't understand what the man said, here's his email

address, why don't you ask for clarification yourself? http://hodes.house.gov/contact.aspx

I am well aware there are other options, but voting Republican isn't one of them. Bye! :hi:

[Fresh_Start]

38. tell us again why you are at Democratic Underground

when you believe being a Democrat is a disease?

Wouldn't that mean that you have issues of your very own?

[Eurobabe]

50. He did not say "being a Democrat is a disease,"

perhaps you need to adjust the volume on your hearing aid. He said "Democrat's disease, that in my mind is something altogether different. I think what he was referring to was the endless promises the Democrats make, and then come through on very little. A la ending the war in Iraq. Impeaching the liars, etc. Overreaching, overpromising for years.

Ring a little bell? :eyes:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

28. The thing is, the Obama campaign is essentially a critique of the Democratic party

It plays on our dissatisfaction with feckless Democratic leadership in congress, which is fair enough.

But some of us wonder whether, in a nation taken over by a neo-fascist movement, whether the Democratic party is really the biggest problem.

[OHdem10]

24. Obama is running as Centrist .

[Radical Activist]

27. Not according to the positions he takes on the issues.

There's a difference between appealing to centrists and adopting centrist positions.

[Cameron27]

30. What position on what issues

are you talking about? I can't find any significant difference in his votes or even his platform, than Clinton's or even Edwards.

[Radical Activist]

31. So you think Edwards and Clinton are centrists too?

Since they're all the same?

[Cameron27]

46. Yes, I do think they're all the same.

Whatever labels you want to put on them, I don't can't think of a single issue in which they're significantly different, except in rhetoric.

[Critters2]

34. "Reaching across the aisle" is centrist. Or worse. nt

[Radical Activist]

36. No. Its how things get done. Paul Wellstone did it too.

Every liberal does it if they care about getting anything done other than throwing red meat in campaign speeches.

[Critters2]

39. A little red meat would be nice. nt

[Radical Activist]

25. Good comment.

Obviously the same old list of standard issues and talking points hasn't been working for us. It doesn't inspire anyone. Even with a lousy President like Bush we can barely win anything.

[Nimrod2005]

29. Right on, we are sick of people like that......nt

[OHdem10]

32. All the Hilary Haters should be happy . The Campaign is

on to get rid of HRC. Bloomberg will run if we have HRC and Huckabee
as candidates. This is what is behind MSNBCs relentless attacks on
Hilary.

Obama is favored by the Doren Group. Get rid of Hilary or we put Bloomberg
in. Just watch and listen.

The first attempt flopped with Media getting egg on their face when
HRC won NH.

Elites Elites Elites, Snatch defeat from the Jaws of Victory. Get ready
for a loss.

[WinkyDink]

35. Because fighting against Fascism is so 1940's.

[Name removed]

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[ruggerson]

41. I thought he was running as a Democrat

[BootinUp]

42. I "Hope" we have get a nice Christmas present

from the repukes next year.

[Armstead]

45. I wish she did

[bunnies]

47. Paul Hodes - First term NH rep = Obama surrogate?

Your arms must be very long.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

48. snark does not trump facts

It was a debate segment between two congressman, one speaking in favor of Obama, one speaking in favor of Clinton.

It was presented as two men speaking in advocacy of the two candidates they support.

If the Clinton guy had said some unfortunate thing in the same segment, he would have been identified by me, and by anyone else, as a Clinton surrogate.

[bunnies]

49. I saw it.

Paul Hodes is a Democrat.

Obviously Dems are allowed to attack other Dems. See Bill Clinton v. Barack Obama. Whats the real issue here?

[Hobarticus]

51. Indirect attacking through a lackey....classic GOP tactic...

Yep, we're chock-full of HOPE, alright...