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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:25 PM
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Kerry today: 'Obama doesn’t seek to perfect the politics of Swiftboating, but to end it.'
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 05:00 PM by BeyondGeography
Delivered with bite, too.

The exact quote:

==I support him because he doesn’t seek to perfect the politics of Swiftboating, but to end it.==

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/how_kerry_came_to_endorse_obam.html
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:26 PM
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1. Ouch!
I don't think we have to wonder who that comment was about.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:29 PM
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11. Ouch! was my first reaction!
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:59 PM
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42. "Kumbaya" isn't a good response to Swiftboating. Bipartisanship isn't a good response.
Kneecapping them is a good response.

I know that Kerry had a money problem with more weeks between the convention and election than the republicans had, but still. You'd think that he would've responded with indignation. Something like "How dare they say ...... They weren't in the tough part of the Mekong, they were in the Delta, they weren't there when >>> happened, but these men were and they say >>"

And so on.

I think Sen. Clinton knows how to respond to Swiftboating. Not sure about Sen. Obama. He hasn't really faced it yet.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:22 PM
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56. He did say that.
Not those exact words. Would have been nice for the media to cover it.

http://www.kerryvision.net/2008/01/it_was_never_about_kerry.html
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:26 PM
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2. Oh, snap!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:27 PM
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3. Oh, snap.
:rofl:
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:27 PM
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4. We needed someone to stand up to it!!!!!!!!!
loser
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:32 PM
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16. my sentiments exactly. wasn't he going to sue the swiftboaters at one time?
more tough talk and empty words.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:27 PM
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5. Kerry should have done something about it when he had the chance.
He could have delivered it with bite then, too.

But he didn't. We know the outcome. Thanks a lot Kerry. Thanks for nothing.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:31 PM
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13. It's too bad Edwards wasn't much of a fighter man
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 04:31 PM by WesDem
when the '04 ticket needed it.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:39 PM
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21. I believe John Kerry was the one in charge of responding to those accusations.
If John Edwards didn't do anything about it, it was no doubt out of respect for Kerry's wishes.

Edwards is a fighter, and right now he's fighting for a better America for you whether you like it or not. ;)
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:31 PM
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14. to be fair
the charges were absurd, and the conventional wisdom was, if the charges are that absurd, you don't respond to them, or else you lend them credibility.

The fault lies with the media picking up on the story about the ads, which was only run in a handfull of small markets, and making it into a bid thing.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:27 PM
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6. In reference to what?
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:28 PM
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7. Another round of applause for Kucinich....
aaaa that is who he is speaking of I presume.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:28 PM
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8. What was the whole quote,
I may have to stop defending Kerry if he took to swiftboating Clinton with that remark.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:59 PM
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43. Gee, what makes you think he was aiming that remark at the Clintons?
In context, he's talking about people who use the tactic of swiftboating.
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:16 PM
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47. It only applies to those who would go that way (Repub or Dem)
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 05:16 PM by Bongo Prophet
Swiftboating, if defined as libelous attacks from 3rd party, with collusive ties to the Main Party or candidate, would not really apply to either Clinton or Edwards -- and Kerry did compliment both of them at the top of the speech.

You know there will be some here who will take it and try to use it to say he attacked Clinton, and the Edwards people are already pissed for their reasons, and some will exploit that. Just more division, for the sake of game play strategies.
.

When Wes Clark and RFK and others gave it up for Hillary, I congratulated her supporters, and it gave me new data points to consider.
If someone you respect gives an endorsement, and they may have personal knowledge that you do not, it can be persuasive.
Or at least assuring that the endorsee is not a likeable or naive or whatever the attack of the month is.
I DON'T think it is a good idea to begrudge people's choices, even if I disagree, as long as it is considered and honest.
As democrats (small d) we should keep the process on as high a level as we can, as it is a hard won and honorable right.

Hillary said, 'some people think politics is a game, but it is more than that' and I agree with that sentiment.

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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:28 PM
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9. Nice! n/t
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:28 PM
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10. wow
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:29 PM
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12. We need someone who has DEFEATED it, not who was sunk by it.
eom.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:33 PM
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You took the words right out of my mouth.
Who was ever more "swiftboated" the Bill and Hillary Clinton...even Chelsea.
And as she (HC) says, "I still here."
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:34 PM
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19. Exactly
"Who was ever more "swiftboated" the Bill and Hillary Clinton...even Chelsea.
And as she (HC) says, "I still here."
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:19 PM
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62. what they went through was terrible- BUT
it was hardly "swiftboating".

John Kerry didn't have anything to hide. Bill's affair was no-ones business but his- He shouldn't have had to had his personal affairs dragged across the media like it was- but he did do something wrong.

John Kerry did NOTHING that he should have been trashed for like he was.

Especially by people who used all kinds of crap to avoid having to go to Vietnam.

Does EVERYTHING have to revolve around Hillary????
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:33 PM
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18. Was that a boink on Edwards head?
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:45 PM
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29. No, definitely at Hillary
Kerry once again using Edwards to explain away his "loss" in 2004.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:52 PM
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37. When has he done that?
I've never seen anything by him that claimed thus. Do you have a link?
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:35 PM
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50. All three of these people have participated in it, but Clinton is his nearest opponent
This kind of garbage is a sad reality in modern politics. To think otherwise is naïve.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:53 PM
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51. All three of these people? Which people?
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 05:54 PM by LittleClarkie
Edwards, Clinton and Kerry?

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:06 PM
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53. Obama, Edwards and Clinton
If you think otherwise, imho you're naive, as I've said.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:11 PM
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54. The question I had was when Kerry blamed Edwards over 2004
but you would seem to be talking about swiftboating and these three candidates. That's why I was confused.

I ask again, when did Kerry blame Edwards for 2004? You can see where an answer like "All three of them do it" would have me scratching my head in regards to my original question.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:30 PM
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57. Forgive me, I've been in five different threads today on very similar topics
I'm answering questions in different conversations than I'm in. lol

All that's important to me is that they're Democrats. The differences between them are far less significant than
the differences between us and the GOP. I wish they'd all behave in an ethical manner, but politics isn't an ethical
theatre of operation.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:04 PM
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44. I thought Edwards was tangled up with some 527s that hit hard on Obama in IA (CHECK LINK)
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:32 PM
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48. I suppose one could find a circuitous route to Edwards if you're looking for it
But the clearest, shortest route is to Hillary, though it may be they both were targets.

I'm sure Obama has thrown his share of mud, however.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:35 PM
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58. They stood in a circle and each took two fists full of mud and threw it @ each other.
Sho nuf.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:39 PM
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22. That's what I was thinking...
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:48 PM
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33. When have the Clintons defeated swiftboating?
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 04:48 PM by Dawgs
They gave us 12 years of a Republican Congress, and 8 years of Bush.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:52 PM
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36. Only a 6 year long 90 million taxpayer funded mother of all swiftboatings eom
eom
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:12 PM
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60. oh, yeah. they really
put an end to "swiftboating" with that:rolleyes:

I despised the lewinsky flap- but it in no way shows how the Clintons put an end to "swiftboating"-

The whole f-d up affair seems to have crippled the ability to impeach a genuinely bad president and his co-horts.-

But I don't blame the Clintons for that either.

The hate on this board is unbelieveable.

:nuke:
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:07 PM
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59. I don't blame the Clintons for the Congress or bush- but
I do have problems with what Bill Said about "fairy tales"- and his deliberate misleading refrences to BO's comments about whether he would have voted for the IWR had he been in office. Those kind of tactics suck- and are things I didn't expect from Bill, and think less of him for.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:32 PM
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15. Smooooooooth nt
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:33 PM
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17. that was ice cold. and he's right. (but only if he really said it)
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 04:34 PM by Anouka
Obama or Edwards 08


we need a link.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:37 PM
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20. I sure wish Kerry would have ended it when
he had the chance.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:40 PM
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23. Who was Kerry referring to?
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:54 PM
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38. Other Dems?
Good question
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:40 PM
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24. I could see Obama's unity theme being appealing to Kerry
And John Kerry just did what most of the Obama supporters haven't been able to do, at least not to me, which is make me feel like giving Obama another look.

And thus, I will.

Don't think the Kerry endorsement is worthless or a negative. To those of us who still love the man, it does indeed mean something.
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:42 PM
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25. i am going to give him the beneift of the doubt, and think he referred to bush...
...but i haven't heard the whole speech
if he took a swing at a fellow democrat, be it Hillary or Edwards, that's just low, and stupid
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:44 PM
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27. If he meant Clinton then it is just stupid.
It's bad for the party to appear divided like that. We don't need to give the Republicans ammunition.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:42 PM
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26. Kerry's full endorsement speech
Martin Luther King said "the time is always right to do what is right". And I’m here in South Carolina because this is the right time to share with you my confidence that the next President of the United States should be, can be, and will be Barack Obama.

Four years ago, I began my own presidential campaign here in Charleston at Patriots Point. I committed myself then to fight for "a new era of concern for community and not division." When the campaign ended almost a thousand miles away in Boston, I congratulated President Bush but I also warned him "of the danger of division in our country and of the desperate need for unity, for finding the common ground, coming together." I dared to hope publicly that the healing would begin then. It didn’t – but it will begin when Barack Obama is President.

There are other candidates in this race with whom I have worked and whom I respect. They are terrific public servants and each of them could be President tomorrow and each would fight to take the country in the right direction.

But I believe that more than anyone else, Barack Obama can help our country turn the page and get America moving by uniting us and ending the division that we have faced. He has a superb talent, as all of you know, to communicate the best of our hopes and aspirations for America and for the world and that is why Barack Obama has the greatest potential to lead a transformation not just a transition.

He knows that real change only comes when millions of Americans join together and come together in a movement that demands it – when they’re united in common cause and to speak out so loudly that Washington absolutely has no choice but to listen. That’s not just a way to win the election – it’s the only way to change the nation. He understands that we have to force the politicians to feel your power – and I am here because it is Barack Obama who in a unique way brings the lessons of the neighborhood, the lessons of the legislature and the lessons of his own life to that awesome challenge. And my friends those lessons that made him a candidate to bring change to our country they’re same lessons he will bring to the oval office every day to fight for you as President of the United States.

Now, I was proud to help introduce Barack to the nation when I asked him to speak to our national convention in 2004. Obviously, Barack did all the heavy-lifting. But like millions of Americans, Teresa and I were stirred by the way he eloquently reminded all of us of the fact that our "true genius is faith in simple dreams, an insistence on small miracles;" and we were all of us moved by the power with which he shattered the shallow stereotype, reminding people all across America that in Red States and Blue States, we "worship an awesome God."

At this moment in America -- who better than Barack Obama to call us to responsibility for children abandoned in cities and rural communities? Who better than Barack Obama to remind all Americans how much difference it makes to get an open door to a good school? Who better than Barack Obama to bring millions of disaffected young people back to the great task of governing and making a difference, child to child, community to community? Who better than Barack Obama to bring new credibility to America’s role in the world and help restore our moral authority? Who better than Barack Obama to turn a new page in American politics so that, Democrat, Independent and Republican alike can look to leadership that unites to find the common ground?

Mile by mile of the long march of this campaign, the cynics have questioned whether this young leader from Illinois is ready. But you know what? The cynics may have spoken, but it’s the people who will decide. And it’s the people who can prove the doubters wrong and enlist thousands more in a movement for change to restore faith in our government at home and our reputation in the world. In just a few days, right here in South Carolina, you get to do your part to make history and make Barack Obama President of the United States.

Since the birth of our nation, change has been won by young Presidents and young leaders who have shown that experience is defined not by time in Washington or years in office, but by wisdom, instinct and vision. Today we still draw on the "truths" that we believe to be "self-evident"—but how easy it is to forget that Thomas Jefferson was just 33 when he wrote them into our Declaration of Independence. How easy it is to forget that Martin Luther King was just 26 when he led the Montgomery Bus Boycott, just 34 when he inspired America with a powerful dream. My friends, when we choose a President, we are electing judgment and character, not years on this earth -- and it is the moral compass I see in Barack Obama that gives me confidence he will steer our country in the right direction. He was, after all, right about the war in Iraq from the very beginning!

It’s time for South Carolina and our country to take stock of Barack Obama – to understand the strength of a man who grew up without his father, whose mother and grandparents couldn’t give him money or privilege but gave him passion and purpose, values and vision. Measure the character of a young man who graduated from an Ivy League college and could have gone anywhere – but chose the streets of Chicago as a community organizer going door to door to make hope burn a little brighter for the people who had seen the steel mills shut down and the jobs disappear. Measure the character of the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, who could have found fame and fortune on Wall Street or in a high priced law firm, but who instead chose cause and commitment as a civil rights lawyer giving voice to the voiceless. Measure the character of that young lawyer who chose public service over private gain and went to the legislature where he fought the old divisions and brought people together to put money in the pockets of working poor families; put early childhood education ahead of giveaways for the elected and connected; and brought Democrats and Republicans together to stand up for civil rights and civil liberties. Measure the character of a United States Senator who passed landmark ethics reform to restore faith in government, and who stood up to the bureaucrats to get Illinois veterans the disability pay they were promised, and traveled to the other end of the earth to work to end the genocide in Darfur. That is the true measure of character – character we need in the White House, character we need to help America retake its rightful place in the world starting in 2009.

I was recently in Africa and then at the Climate Change talks in Bali. From afar you can sometimes have a clearer view than when you are in the middle of the maelstrom. I saw and felt how important it can be to America’s interests in the world – to our ability to reach across great divides and speak the truth from a different experience in our own land. I saw how Barack Obama could strengthen our nation and set us back on the path of our time-honored values.

On the Foreign Relations Committee where Barack and I serve together, I have seen his special talent, a leader who knows how to listen. Just think about the difference it will make after eight years of bluster and ideology to have a president who reaches out to other nations, a president who wants America to lead by example, and a statesman who recognizes that even the most powerful nation on earth needs to make some friends on this planet.

Like Barack, I lived abroad as a young man and I share with him a healthy respect for knowing and understanding other cultures and countries – not from a book or a briefing – but by personal experience – by gut – by instinct. Good statescraft has always relied on leadership that sees other nations and leaders not just through American eyes and expectations, but sees them as they see and hope for themselves. Barack will be a president who marshals all our resources – military, diplomatic, economic, and moral – and first and foremost will always tell the truth to the American people. After years of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, with Barack Obama in the White House, we will have a President who treats our moral authority as a precious national asset that does not limit our power, but magnifies our global leadership.

Some have suggested in this campaign that Barack is guilty of raising "false hopes." So I ask you, was it a false hope when Thomas Jefferson said the United States should make available to every child a free education in public schools? Was it a false hope when Franklin Roosevelt said that half of our senior citizens no longer had to live in poverty? Was it a false hope when Harry Truman said that every veteran of World War II could go to college on the G.I. Bill? Was it a false hope when John Kennedy said we would go the moon in a decade? My friends, the only charge that rings false is the one that tells you not to hope for a better tomorrow. Don’t let anyone tell you to accept the downsizing of the American Dream – not in our America, not today, and not tomorrow when Barack Obama is President of the United States.

President Kennedy’s call to service brought me into the United States Navy and to Vietnam. A war gone wrong, a country divided, and politicians content to keep us that way made me an activist when I came back home. Knocking on doors that wouldn’t always open, I saw the cynicism of Washington, but I also saw that brothers and sisters standing together could bring about great change.

Thirty five years later, I’m a little older and grayer, and I see a Washington that is even more divided today than it was then. I see Americans by the millions turned off from our democracy itself. I hear about voters who want to turn off the television -- take their phones off the hook -- stop opening the mail -- because to them politics has become a dirty word and we’ve all seen too much of a politics that sells out the conscience of our country just to win an election.

I am here today because we need new leadership that can call us back together, and leaders who look out at America, and see, not an electorate to be sliced and diced and pitted against each other, but citizens who want to do great things together. Sometimes the hardest thing for the established political world to do is make a clean break with the past – to readily embrace new thinking and a new beginning. The Old Guard sometimes has a hard time acknowledging an individual who breaks the mold. Well let me tell you something, Barack Obama isn’t just going to break the mold – together, we are going to shatter into a million pieces!

The country is yearning for bipartisanship, yearning for a change in our politics, yearning for an end to the battles of the past. People want innovative, nonpartisan and especially non-scripted ways of fixing problems. That is what Barack brings to this race and South Carolina and the country have the chance to guarantee that we get it.

I am here because we need leadership that understands as another young man from Illinois once said, "a house divided against itself cannot stand" and more than ever we need leaders who have lived and breathed the politics of unity.

In life, we all travel different journeys which shape our character. We learn. We make mistakes. We grow - hopefully. One thing is clear: Washington isn’t the only teacher – and in recent years Washington DC hasn’t been the best teacher. I support Barack Obama for President because he has the judgment to know that Washington must change, the character to have already fought to change it, and the best ability of anyone running to unite Americans in that cause.

I support him because he doesn’t seek to perfect the politics of Swiftboating, but to end it.

I support Barack Obama because he will help bring the country together again, lead the world and show by example, not by words, that here in America anything is really possible for those who dare to dream and those determined to work for it.

History gives us moments. We get to decide what to do with them. I believe, this moment is the moment we should make Barack Obama President of the United States. And I welcome him to Charleston, South Carolina - Barack Obama.


This a truly lovely, eloquent and moving speech. I don't know if this text is as prepared for delivery (most likely) or as delivered.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:06 PM
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45. Kerry speaks like a true Obamaton. No need to fear any flip flops this time.
:yourock:John Kerry:yourock:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:45 PM
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28. Too bad he didn't stand up to it 4 years ago...nt
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:45 PM
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30. link to video of the speech
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:49 PM
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35. damn - it cuts off before the quote!
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:18 PM
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61. I just saw a link on CSPAN's
main page, I assume it is the whole thing.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:46 PM
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31. Damn, that's gonna leave a mark.
Just DAYUM, Senator Kerry! :wow:
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:46 PM
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32. This from a man who, when swiftboated, waited a hell of
a long time to fight back. Uh, Sen. Kerry, what I want is someone who understands that the repukes have every intention of swiftboating, and who will respond with swift and powerful kicks in the ass - something you chose not to do.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:55 PM
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39. What's a hell of a long time? Took him about 2 weeks
long enough to figure out that the thing had legs. And as someone else said in this thread, the charges were absurd, and when they're absurd you don't respond so as not to give them credence.

It's when the media decided to run with the charges that Kerry found he HAD to respond. And thus, he did, about mid August.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:57 PM
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41. By then the damage had been done. I'm not saying he didn't
believe he was acting appropriately at the time, but he clearly didn't understand the lengths to which the corporate media would go to give the story legs and run with it.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:49 PM
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34. Yeah, that'll happen alright, About as bright as Custer telling the indians to quit using arrows!
Kerry is grinding axes, Obama is the axe, but Kerry never having worked with implements of labor such as axes and such is dulling the blade, amy even ruin it.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:56 PM
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40. Yeah rite...
And if Kerry had any balls Shrub would be living full time in Crawford.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:12 PM
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46. "I support him....
....because he doesn’t seek to perfect the politics of Swiftboating, but to end it."

....if they believe this, they're both chumps....and we'll have four more years of hyper-corporate rule....
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:33 PM
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49. So right on....Campared to her, she wants to know she can kick ass...etc.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:53 PM
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52. That "bite" is about 4 years too late. nt
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:12 PM
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55. That's rich. Too bad Kerry didn't stand up four years ago
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