I think that the DU Hillary supporters lost their moral high ground today

[Joe the Revelator]

So far we've seen:

NUMEROUS posts bashing Kerry for endorsing Obama. NUMEROUS posts saying how Hillary "Wouldn't even want that silly endorsement". NUMEROUS posts saying that senators shouldn't endorse until after the primary's (ignoring the large amount of endorsements Hillary already has.

We've seen numerous posts calling out posters for "playing the race card" over Cumos comments today, all the while Hillary's group is still happily labeling anybody who attacks Mrs. Clinton as a sexist.

We've seen a couple of posts even defending Cumos comments.


Now, as you know, I think all is fair in politics and any of this stuff is fair game. Its just funny to watch the same people who yesterday were screaming about the discourse of Obama supporters, completely assume the role they pretended to hate.

[Adelante]

1. You are wrong

There are numerous posts by Clinton supporters deploring Cuomo's use of racist language. They by far, far outnumber any others.

[Joe the Revelator]

8. As was also the case since Tuesday when it came to Obama supporters

But, judging by the threads in here over the 48 hours, you would that all the Obama supporters were gnashing their teeth.

[William769]

22. So then your original OP is wrong. WOW! Wouldn't be the first time.

[Nailzberg]

23. I'm siding with you.

Most of us can call out a bad move on our side when we see it. We are the fan in the stands that watches the replay on the jumbotron, and say "The ref got it right" even when the call cost our team a touchdown.

However. there remains a small group of supporters, in all camps, that are so blinded by support of their candidate that they refuse to examine these things impartially. But the vast majority of us are calling it out on both sides. Perhaps we don't use enough CAPS, insults, or ad hominem attacks to get the attention the vocal minority gets.

If a pol supporting my guy says something nasty, he's not an official part of the campaign and not accountable.
If a pol supporting your guy say something nasty, he's a surrogate taking his marching orders direct from the top.

Any paper that says something nice about my guy is "Another great endorsement!"
Any paper that says something nice about your guy is "That trash MSM RW fundie paper? Of course they want your guy to win!"

No side can claim the high ground on that. The BS is piling up on all sides.

[emilyg]

25. Wolsh doesn't want to hear that.

Let him have his fake outrage.

[Bitwit1234]

26. race race race race can they try to stick it in anywhere they can.

and talk about moral highground. Any Obama supporter with all the bullshit they put out about Hillary are the lowest of the low. They have no class and especially no character. I have thought and thought, how I like to post to make them mad when they do this. I don't think Obama, if he ever knew the stuff his doodle bopper supporters were spewing he would approve and he would be really upset.

[David Dunham]

2. Bottom line: Kerry is a fool for endorsing Obama, whom McCain would beat

[babylonsister]

7. Kerry's no fool, but you I question for making such a statement. nt

[NoBorders]

32. Obama polls better than Clinton against McCain

FYI:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

[ingac70]

3. Come on now, that is the nature of politics...

Plus, I really expect that stuff from DLCers any how.

[aquart]

4. "Moral high ground"?

You have a strange sense of humor. But a clear sense of superiority.

[TheDonkey]

5. not to mention the defense of racist Hillary advisors

yet they will be the first to throw the gender card.

[meegbear]

6. Links?

[rinsd]

9. Really? Because all of Hillary's endorsements were greeted with respect?

RFK Jr. was blasted while Mondale & McGovern were called senile.

There are some assholes out there. They are on every side.

But I love your transparent attack on ALL Hillary supporters.

Shows you really care about the issue :eyes:

[Joe the Revelator]

11. I'm comparing today to yesterday

The contrast is hilarious.

[AX10]

15. rinsd is right.

Many Obamites assailed anyone who endorsed Hillary.

[tritsofme]

10. I don't know what Cuomo did

But I haven't attacked Kerry or Obama for the endorsement.

I think Hillary supporters are doing just fine.

[question everything]

12. Just came to DU and am not exactly a Clinton supporter

except for standing by her against the male bashers.

But Kerry is a loser. Let's not forget it. So his endorsement does not carry much of a strength.

And... remember how everyone, including Gore, rushed to endorse Dean before the Iowa primaries?

[AX10]

13. Give it a break already.

You are one of the blindest Obama supporters. No matter what, you will attack your opponents.

[Egnever]

16. pot kettle?

[RummyTheDummy]

34. Oh yeah

His/her/its meme is every Obama supporter is "brainwashed".

[Cameron27]

14. Aren't you the divisive little poster,

I didn't notice any Clinton supporters "playing the race card," and I have no problems with Kerry endorsing Obama, others may so what? Did they call him senile?

[rodeodance]

17. Labeling all the complainers as Hil supporters is WRONG

[maddiejoan]

18. I will be very happy

to include any of Obama's supporters statements in a critique of Obama if you like.

is that what we'll be doing from now on?


I think Cuomo's statement was certainly racist in it's use --He could have just said Obama was trying to be something he is not. The use of shuck and jive was obviously ugly.

BTW this is what it means:

Shuck: To get rid of, ditch, throw away. To try to shed your true image in favor of a false one.
Jive: Trying to adopt a new social status, pretending to be "all that" + a bag of pentium chips.

again --racist in it's usage for sure, but not exactly the worst insult in the world.

I condemn Cuomo for it --but you can hardly put something like this on Hillary. That's just absurd.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. today?

Moral high ground?

Hillary?

[ShortnFiery]

20. Yes, as one of my FAV punk rock bands "The Dead Milkmen" would croon

like the tune "When Ringo (Starr) Buys a Rifle."

We'll be one
With love of DLC fun
This all will end
When Hillary wins the nomination!

Animals will bare these facts!
The Pope will join our acts!
We won't get new shoes, lest
Hillary wins the nomination!

She wants to be Queen
She's not an old coot
Blow them away
Make them ALL pay

Their minds have jumped track
They're Clintonian maniacs
... Hey Obama, you lanky a**hole?
DODGE THIS!!!

:rofl:

Of course many similar barbs can, and have been made re: Obama's supporters.

[rodeodance]

21. Are you as obsessed with Hil as Chris Matthews is??:

Forum Name Hillary Clinton Supporters Group
Topic subject Topic subject She's still milking her crying jag for all its worth
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=334x598#598
598, Topic subject She's still milking her crying jag for all its worth
Posted by rodeodance on Wed Jan-09-08 09:02 PM



Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject She's still milking her crying jag for all its worth
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4016646#4016646
4016646, She's still milking her crying jag for all its worth
Posted by Wolsh on Wed Jan-09-08 07:36 PM

Tell me again how this wasn't part of a planned stratergy.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/09/clinton-tearing-up-coul_n_80643.html

Hillary Clinton also agreed that choking up helped her campaign in New Hampshire:

Clinton attributed her win in part to her success late in the race in telling voters why she's in public life, a reference to her choking up when a voter asked her how she was faring. Asked whether that was a turnaround for her, she said, "I think it could well have been.

Keep reading.

The media agrees with her.

[ShortnFiery]

24. Well if "the media" agrees with, IMO, the quintessential "perpetual victim", then we should

then leave pack it all up and go go back to our little peoples' digs?!?

Like the Sioux Indians in my home state of South Dakota, those of us who have accumulated wealth portfolios less than $300,000 are truly "On The Reservation" as far as the DLC insider establishment is concerned.

[BenDavid]

27. any keen observer of this campaign knows the obama camp

has played the race card on numerous occasions. Just most folks cannot understand it when it happens. I told you obama camp was first to use it and lets see if I am right.

CBS’ “60 Minutes,” Mrs Obama was asked if she fears for her husband’s life as a black candidate.“I don’t lose sleep over it because the realities are that . . . as a black man. . . Barack can get shot going to the gas station. You can’t make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen.” Michelle Obama

Well, I’m sure all the white folks are happy because that means they (white people) won’t be shot while “going to the gas station.” She should have left out the ‘as a black man’ part. Without that part of the comment, her statement was valid.

[Occam Bandage]

28. Attacking a candidate's supporters is about as low as you can get.

[fightindonkey]

29. Obamanuts, Still Clutching To Anything They Can Get Their Hands On

[Barack_America]

30. Whatever. Some DJ's from a radio station play a prank and the Clinton

supporters are crying bloody murder. But the Attorney General of New York and a Clinton campaigner uses a racially charged term in a public forum and it's no big deal?

Clinton supporters should be speaking out against this as much as Obama supporters and it's really troubling me that they're not.

[Joe the Revelator]

33. Hypocrisy abounds.

[Capn Sunshine]

35. Is Freerepublic.com offline?

Lots of low- count posters stirring up shit today with inflammatory rhetoric.

[OneGrassRoot]

31. Wading into icky waters to comment about Cuomo and Shaheen versus "regular" supporters...

I don't have a dog in the Obama and Hillary fight. I support Edwards.

But the Shaheen thing and now the Cuomo thing are unacceptable, IMHO. It's one thing for average American citizen supporters to do things that the candidate may not endorse or agree with, but these are seasoned politicians. They know better. They know the repercussions that can come from such comments, especially in this youtube/Internet age. I think it reflects badly on a campaign when such high profile people are saying blatantly stupid things. Whether or not it is a "tactic" who am I to say? But again, because these people know better, unless Hillary publicly calls them out on what they've said, it reflects badly on her, IMHO.

Notice I'm using IMHO a lot?

:)

[OneBlueSky]

36. I'd have a lot more respect for Hillary is SHE called for a recount . . .

in the interest of "electoral integrity" . . . the chances of that happening, of course, are zero and none . . .

[sandnsea]

37. I think the thread speaks for itself

Everything you pointed out is right in the thread. Certainly it isn't every single supporter, I don't know why people always feel the need to point out the obvious. But it ought to be clear enough to anybody that Obama gets attacked way more on this site than anybody else and that it's never ever ever racist.