Obama, Your Hubris is Showing!

[JCMach1]

How can anyone think that the timing of Kerry's endorsement and photo OP in South Carolina were anything but a carefully staged plan by Obama? Remember the night of New Hampshire? Obama had MEMORIZED his speech and spoke in broad sweeping terms (almost as if he WERE the nominee). Or, could a clue about Obama's hubris be found in the choice of background music, "Signed, Sealed, Delivered." Fast forward to today. The Kerry endorsement was supposed to be the passing of the torch event. Instead it stands out as disjointed in view of the reality check that New Hampshire gave Obama.

We have had 8 years of this kind of hubris and arrogance already. We don't need any more!

[Big Blue Marble]

1. You are just sounding silly.

[JCMach1]

7. He planned his coronation in advance... Kerry was another part of it

[Big Blue Marble]

14. That is a silly statement as well. n/t

[origin1286]

2. The OP makes no sense

What the hell are you even babbling about?

[TheDonkey]

3. put the bottle down

damn?

[BeyondGeography]

4. He needs to take his shit and make it un-together

Yeah!

[killbotfactory]

5. Damn him for timing an endorsement to make an impact on the race!

Damn him all to Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll!!!!!!!!!!

[aquart]

6. Plain stupid not to take an advantage if you've got one.

Which is what you'd call him if he didn't time it this way.

[Orrex]

10. And a happy Sun Tzu to you, too!

Your point is 100% correct, BTB.

[Egnever]

8. crazy post of the day award?

Yes Obama is the only one to release endorsements strategically.

:eyes:

[Orrex]

12. He's probably African American on purpose, too

Just to pander to the African American vote.

:eyes::eyes:

[AndyA]

19. Hey, perhaps he can call up his bud Donnie McClurkin.

Perhaps Donnie has a prayer to cure him of that. He had one for being gay, after all... :eyes:

[JCMach1]

16. So, you enjoy the fact that your candidate

was all but proclaiming himself the nominee on the night of the NH primary (at least that was the plan)...

That is the definition of HUBRIS.

[Egnever]

20. I enjoy the fact that

his popularity is making you batshit crazy.

[JCMach1]

24. Yes he is,,,leading us down the road to Kerry II, the Sequel

[Orrex]

23. Edwards has done just about the same thing

With less to back it up, in terms of Primary successes.

No, he hasn't actually claimed the Oval Office for himself, but he speaks with an air of inevitability that suggests no other outcome is possible.

Is this hubris? Or is it standard operating procedure to convey an attitude of confidence during uncertain times?

[jefferson_dem]

9. Is this post a joke?

If not...it should be.

[Adelante]

11. Okey-dokey nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Obama is clearly too smart to be president.

I said it before when it was clear too many people liked him for him to be a good president.

Now he's just painting himself into a corner what with making all these good decisions and memorizing things.

[Tarc]

15. if it was staged, it was staged by newbie morons

Seriously, who thinks that having Kerry on-board would be a boon for Obama's prospects in South Carolina? If this had come out between Iowa and NH, then he likely would had two states under his belt at the moment.

[zulchzulu]

17. You should write for The Onion

Heck, just write that and the editing staff will take it from there.

Funny!

:rofl:

[Vilis Veritas]

18. ???

Is this discourse? Is this debate?

As for hubris I offer this...



Compare and contrast...

[JCMach1]

21. That is exactly what Obama was doing with today's endorsement

... and his planned staging of his 'victory' speech...

[Vilis Veritas]

28. I disagree. I think all the candidates have 'victory' speeches

in the can.

To say that Obama today was exactly like Bush saying that the Mission was Accomplished is in my opinion wrong and here is why - Bush was implying that we were victorious when in actuality the killing had just begun...while...Obama was using the stump to pump and build momentum in his quest for the nomination. ALL politicians do that from time to time, if they didn't they would end up relegated to the back of the room quietly muttering to themselves.

Speeches are part of the process. Edwards does exactly the same thing only he seamlessly makes it appear spontaneous. Different styles of speech making IMO.

'Hubris, according to its modern usage, is exaggerated self pride or self-confidence (overbearing pride), often resulting in fatal retribution.'

Peace.

[alcibiades_mystery]

32. Political candidates plan and stage manage their speeches during campaigns?

Holy crap! I can't believe it! Stage managing your speeches is the same as declaring war on a country and declaring victory on an aircraft carrier, QED!

Ay yay yay.

[Renew Deal]

22. Your post doesn't make sense.

What are you talking about?

[dionysus]

25. kids, this is a lesson on why people shouldn't huff household cleaners and post threads...

[Superman Returns]

26. yea!

Who does that boy think he is running for the Presidency? Why don't he put on a chuck and jive show instead?

:sarcasm:

[JCMach1]

27. Are you accusing me of racism...?

If you are, then it's you who are doing the baiting...


It is not racism to call someone on their arrogant staging of events. You would have been ALL OVER Clinton, Edwards, whoever if they had planned it in such a manner.

[NYCGirl]

29. Yeah, because if Clinton or Edwards got a MAJOR endorsement, they wouldn't

do anything to call attention to it.

:rofl:

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. Huh?

It's hubris to memorize your speech (Obama actually had teleprompters)?

It's hubris to seek out an endorsement?

It's hubris to unveil that endorsement at what you believe to be a strategically good moment?

I seriously don't even understand your post. You listed a bunch of things that almost anybody would do, then tied them to hubris. But the connection makes no sense. How are any of these things hubris? Signed, sealed, delivered? That's your evidence?

Bizarre position.

[cloudythescribbler]

31. So THIS is the kind of ultraspam that GD allows, while serious material about election fraud ....

gets all forcibly shifted over to "election reform" so as to be out of the way.

For those who say ('oh election reform isn't a leper colony') read MODERATOR SKINNER HERSELF on the issue:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4021441&mesg_id=4021441

Note how the post claims categorically that no case for fraud exists, yet fails to address any of the most powerful allegations head-on. THIS IS TYPICAL SOP (standard operating procedure) when an issue is being squelched

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. Skinner's a dude, bro

And don't taze me.

[JCMach1]

34. Skinner is right- what we really need to take a look at is the Bradley effect

It is a VERY serious problem if people say they will vote one way and then alone in the voting booth do another.

That is the reality and the ghost of race that hangs over this nomination...

[Vilis Veritas]

35. Then there is the Plankton Effect...

All you got to do is get everybody to put a bucket on their head...



Away with me now for I will ride the Hasselhoff...



People change their minds, it is called 'free will', not much you can do about it.

[sunonmars]

36. Yup sounds plausible to me

the speech he had on Tuesday Night looked as though it had to be made up very damn quick on the run, they had a victory speech written but no losing speech. The song they picked was completely clear of the intention it had to play that night, "signed sealed delivered, i'm yours", a coronation. Surely some idiot would have had another song ready.

Total cockiness. It could be entirely true that the Kerry thing had been planned a week in advance, however again, i point to this endorsement of Kerry could be viewed again as someone interfering telling people how to vote and backfire. Its coming across as it was planned when he was winning New Hampshire as a coronation stunt passing the torch over endorsement and Kerry had to follow through.

Change and Hope. What a load of old shit this guys peddling. Its the same old politicians spewing crap. I sincerely hope somone calls them out on this.

[sunonmars]

37. Obama has a huge problem though with his campaign

and its a fatal flaw.

If someone proves or implies anything even romotely looking corrupt or dodgy, he's dead in the water and lets face it he comes illinois one of the dirtiest corrupted states there is.

He's run a campaign on change and being, pardon the expression "whiter than white". If that shine comes off, so does the wheel of his whole campaign.

You cannot preach changing the establishment and take backhanders on the side. It would kill his campaign quicker than a knife in the heart and they know it.