Dean says Democratic nominee must portray Bush as radical ideologue

[maddezmom]

02-26) 13:27 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

Howard Dean, who failed to win a single Democratic primary contest before exiting the presidential race, says the only way his party can defeat President Bush is to stand strong for its principles and paint the Republican as a radical ideologue.

The former Vermont governor said the Democratic Party should "not paper over its differences with the most radical administration in our lifetime," according to remarks prepared for delivery Thursday to supporters in New Haven, Conn.

"In order to win, the Democratic Party must aggressively expose the ways in which George W. Bush's policies benefit the privileged and the most extreme ideologues," said Dean, who plans to start a political organization that will promote grass-roots democracy and support candidates who favor progressive policies such as universal health care.

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more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/02/26/politics1627EST0740.DTL

[madmax]

1. That shouldn't be too hard to do.

* is a radical ideologue and has surrounded himself with the same.

[salin]

62. my exact reaction. n/t

[jpgray]

2. And he's right

Thankfully we have an opponent who gift wraps that opportunity. But we also have to bring something else to the table--Kerry's energy plan is a start, but he needs a better response to outsourcing, and a cogent reply on the war. So far, while he makes sense, his war response just doesn't cut the mustard as well as it should.

[MarianJack]

3. The Dr./Gov....

...is right!

[BL_Zebub]

34. Of course he is.

Too bad you didn't figure that out before the media and the DLC shit all over him.

[KittyWampus]

41. The Media Adored Him For Months On End. That Dean Screwed Up

is largely his and his campaign's own damned fault.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

88. Remind me of the screw ups, again.

I missed them.

[MarianJack]

94. I Did Figure that out...

...and I looked at 10 outstanding candidates and chose the one I liked best.

I've been familiar with John Kerry for 34 years. I was ready to support Dean wholeheartedly when he had the nomination "sewed up". I NEVER said ONE negative thing about him or any other candidate here.

I exercised what I thought my right as a Democrat was; to choose the candidate that I thought would be the best.

If that offends you, too bad!

[bif]

4. Just point out all the lies and you've got them by the nuts

n/t

[maddezmom]

5. hope CSPAN covers the event

:)

[Cuban_Liberal]

6. He's absolutely right

Good statement, Dr. Dean! :thumbsup:

[ibegurpard]

7. If Dean says it

it must be intemperate, unbalanced, and above all "unelectable" and therefore the Democratic Party should run full bore in the opposite direction.
<sarcasm off>

[Guaranteed]

13. LOL see post #8

You KNEW some clown was gonna say it.

[janx]

17. #10 is funnier and even more outrageous.

Maybe it's Reed or From in disguise.

[RetroLounge]

45. And big surprise, the first Kerry Supporter to bash Dean is:

see below:

[sangha]

55. I'd just like to thank the little people

Dr Dean, take a bow!

[janx]

65. I can't. It, um, doesn't show up, if you know what I mean.

Can you give me a hint?

[sangha]

69. oooga-boogah

:-)

[sangha]

8. Well, you can't argue with failure

What's funnier?

a) The former certainty of his supporters that Dean was going to win

b) Dean, who didn't win ANY primaries, telling the one who has won most of the primaries what he needs to do in order to win

[janx]

12. The primaries and the general election are very different

animals.

I think you're about to find that out.

[sangha]

18. I appreciate the prediction

but I'm afraid the Dean supporters don't have a great record when it comes to predictions

[janx]

28. What did I predict?

You seem to think that the primaries and the general are the same. They're not.

[sangha]

36. "I think you're about to find that out." - Your prediction

You seem to think that the primaries and the general are the same. They're not

Right. Dean's style of Bush*-bashing didn't convince a majority of Dem voters, but you think it will play better once the voting is opened up to Repukes and Independents.

Your logic is even better than your predictions

[madfloridian]

30. You got it.

That is exactly what he needs to do and now. The frontrunner now is the frontrunner because Dean spoke too much truth. He spoke it with too much clarity and maybe not enough tact. Give me a choice of clarity and tact.....I will take clarity any old day.

Now, I just need to say I find your hatred of Dean and his supporters very intense.

[sangha]

38. Kerry is the frontrunner because Dean spoke the truth?

That means is Kerry "speaks the truth" (according to Dean), then he'll end up like Dean.

Give me a choice of clarity and tact.....I will take clarity any old day.

And you'll lose each and every election, just like Dean.

Now, I just need to say I find your hatred of Dean and his supporters very intense

Plant ice, and you harvest wind.

[madfloridian]

42. Loverly.

Ok.

[BL_Zebub]

40. What's funnier is

That Kerrybots are falling all over themselves to compliment Dean on his message now that he's not campaigning, and actually believe that message would sound better coming from a 2 faced fraud who doesn't believe one goddamned word of it.

[sangha]

51. Even funnier

Many Dean supporters ended up voting for Kerry

[BL_Zebub]

54. Nope

Bandwaggoners voted for Kerry. Not Dean Supporters.

Because Dean supporters realize that DLC corporatist appeasement poodle "Democrats" like Kerry are no solution to anything.

[sangha]

58. Dean supporters voted for Kerry

Dean had a commanding lead that disappeared. Well, not exactly disappeared. They reappeared at the polls.....


...voting for Kerry. Check the exit polls!

[shance]

75. Sangha, you love to try and ruin threads, dont you?

I have to tell you. You have more unwarranted hatred for Howard Dean than I have just about ever seen anyone expend on a candidate of their own party. Whats it all about?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Seems to me if you really cared about your own candidate*, not to mention making a good impression, you would be trying to actually make positive connections and comments here, but you dont. What you DO do, is throw grenades every chance you get at Governor Dean, but you never try to positively recruit for your candidate.

Inquiring minds want to know what the hang up is with Dean? Honestly.

What has he done to you that makes you act in such a rude, hostile, and bossy manner?

Hes trying to unify the party - what the hell are you trying to do?

[dsc]

83. Great post

I have to say there are around a half dozen Kerry supporters here who with every word they write make me that much less likely to donate to Kerry. I don't have a ton of money and have three races all of which matter to me. I would tend to divide that money equally but must say that these people make me less likely to do that and more likely to give only to the other two races. After all it seems eminently reasonable that some of money given to Kerry would go to pay salaries of people who think like those posters. Quite frankly that is an unappatizing thought.

[artr2]

84. you don't have to put up with that

it called the ignore function and it works well.

[sangha]

90. Simple explanation

I disagree with you that Dean is trying to unify the party. I don't think calling liberal Democrats "Republicans" and "Bush*lite" and "cockroaches" is the way to demonstrate one's desire to unite the party.

[BR_Parkway]

9. I think Greenspans discussion of Social Security came at an interesting

time. Just after Rove & Co launched their premier wedge issue to drive the voters to them "gay marriage". Yeah, it's getting hype, but no where near what it would be if every working or retired American on either side of the political fence wasn't wondering what that statement about Social Security being in crisis is going to mean to them. I think he drew alot more attention away than Bush-Co wanted and it's only just beginning. Once the rumor mill picks up, there are people likely to panic over that one - especially the 50+ crowd who was already devastated in the past few years with the 401k's down so far. Billy Bob might hate me for being queer, but his retirement and his mama's Social Security check are a whole lot more personal and something for him to worry about.

Rove wanted
SS crisis = same sex marriage
instead he gets
SS crisis = social security is going broke, because of the Bush deficits.

[BeyondGeography]

10. Sounds like he's having separation anxiety

from his status as a candidate.

"I will do everything in my power to ensure that the Democratic nominee in 2004 runs as a true progressive..."

That's not your job anymore, Howard. That's what Ralph Nader is trying to accomplish. John Kerry is already on the record as labelling George Bush an "extremist." He did that without your help.

Your job, Howard, will be to stand up and work your ass off for the nominee, who, as a true Democrat, is 1,000 times more progressive than George W. Bush. If you do that well, and we win, there might even be a nice Cabinet position waiting for you.

That's the way the world works.

[EXE619K]

11. Nice to see another...

person of such high stature and notoriety defining Howard Dean's role in life.

That's funny!

:D

[janx]

14. And it's uttered with that same air of authority

that permeated Kerry's right to the throne.

Democracy indeed!

[sangha]

21. Too bad Dean doesn't have any authority

not that it stops him from telling others what they MUST DO in order to win

Yep, democracy indeed!

[janx]

24. The others seemed to like his authority enough to copy

just about everything he did.

So I don't think his authority has gone anywhere. He is very well respected, and people will listen to him for years to come.

His political movement hasn't even gotten off of the ground yet--wait to hear news of summits happening in ten major American cities a couple of weeks from now.

[sangha]

27. They copied Dean

by voting for Kerry?

Which of the candidates switched their position from supporting Yucca Mtn to opposing it?

Which of the candidates switched from advocating a 60-day dealine for Saddam followed by a unilateral invasions, and then flipped to being "the only candidate to oppose the war from the start", making up TWO LIES in one sentence?

Which of the candidates is calling for judges that are tough on crime and don't use "technicalities" to let criminals off?

Which of the candidates called for abolishing the use of race in AA, and then lied and said he didn't say that?

Which of the candidates said they were locking up their records in order to avoid being embarrased in a future campaign, and then tried to wiggle out of it with a "Whoops! Just kidding"?

Which candidate tried to scare up donations by saying that if he didn't raise enough by a certain time, they would be "out of the race"?

Which candidate called the others "Bush-lite"?

[madfloridian]

31. Good grief, Sangha, let it go.

:shrug:

[janx]

33. Some people seem to be awfully reluctant to stop

pounding Dean.

Perhaps it has become a sport. ?

[sangha]

39. A hobby

.

[BL_Zebub]

44. wasn't he/she "SangO" yesterday?

Which vowel will be used tomorrow, I wonder?

[madfloridian]

53. No, there is sanghO and sanghA, I believe.

With similiar mind sets.

[BL_Zebub]

57. No similar about it, they're posting the exact same bullshit.

Identical twins, perhaps? :shrug:

And will "Sanghu" show up tomorrow?

[sangha]

59. A prediction

TOmorrow will feature our regular scheduledperformance from sangh0

[janx]

66. Kind of like windansea and sandansea?

?

Edit: Although, to be fair, I can't remember if the philosophy was similar in that case.

[sangha]

67. No really

There's only one sangha/0

[Evil_Dewers]

22. that permeated Kerry's right to the throne.

I was a Deanie, too. He lost. I already peeled my blue Dean2004 bumper sticker off my silver Audi TT.

Oh, and I changed my signature line here.

No more:



It is time my fellow Deaniacs do the same since Howard dropped out after losing badly and blowing $40 mil and not winning even one primary. I'm not sorry I sent him money or voted for him, because Howard re-energized the Democratic Party and tapped into the worry, frustration and anger at Bush for his many destructive follies.

I will join Mr. Dean in working for and voting for whomever the Democratic nominee is. So stop being so bitter. I voted for Gore for prez, even though he wasn't my first choice--I voted for Bill Bradley in the primary. People who want what is best for this country will vote for whomever is the Dem nominee, because Jorge Dubya em Dee A Dubya Oh El Arbusto is the: worst...president...ever...

[janx]

25. I'm not bitter. But I'm not blind, either.

;-)

[BeyondGeography]

32. Here's the part of democracy some Dean supporters

apparently have a difficult time accepting:

Primary elections are rewarded to the candidate who receives the most votes.

That person receives a corresponding number of delegates.

Once a certain threshold of delegates is attained, that person becomes the nominee.

That person, in 2004, will not be Howard Dean.

As a loyal Democrat (I supported Clark, who Dean repeatedly labelled a Republican, so I'm assuming Howard is a loyal Democrat), Dean's job thus becomes to support the nominee without any public reservations.

That's life.

[BeyondGeography]

20. It's not just me, kids

http://www.newyorkobserver.com/pages/wiseguys.asp

[chocolateeater]

35. Don't worry he's already started.

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/003814.html

[Guaranteed]

16. Dean's job is to keep the Democrats honest.

And don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[lancdem]

15. I agree

It's not like doing so would be a stretch. There's plenty of material to prove Dr. Dean's point.

[Anwen]

19. Right on, Dr. Dean!

He calls 'em like he sees 'em. He's right -- and the best part is, painting Bush a radical ideologue will be cake!!!

[Kahuna]

23. I agree. I was thinking the same thing today.

nt

[janx]

26. I think he's just trying to keep them fired up.

Since he isn't running now, they may become complacent, and that would be a disaster come November.

[slinkerwink]

29. the nominee better heed Dean's advice!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

37. Nasty way to open an article and almost immediately seek to discredit

him...Howard Dean, who failed to win a single Democratic primary contest before exiting the presidential race,

Hard to believe we are even reading NEWS anymore.

For the record, I am glad he is saying this and continuing to prod...right, wrong or indifferent

[janx]

43. LOL!

That was my immediate reaction as well (though it's nothing new). Maybe they should have just written:

"The failure and loser, Howard Dean..."

!! :hi:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

47. Even though he was not my favorite candidate, I frequently object

to the neurolinguistic manner our reporters use in telling us what to think or offer validity to...the communication in that sentence was..."the guy with the losing formula recommends" as though such a notion is true.

The only thing even honest about the news anymore is the byline...at least they admit it is somebody's story or interpretation of what happened...unfortunately most don't even see it.

[janx]

49. I hate to tell you this (wince) because it's not good news...

During this primary cycle I actually saw an AP story attributed (via byline) to a writer at a local paper.

I wish I had saved that. A few of us were trying to track where the article came from, and after corresponding with some editors, we ascertained that it came straight from the AP wire.

I hope this was some kind of quirk or aberration.

[janx]

46. By doing so, too, he's keeping his coveted supporters

involved in the process. The worst thing he could do would be to slink away and leave them feeling disillusioned and disinterested.

That has to be a good thing.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

48. And he's engaging the others in what he feels is right

I'd much rather a Howard Dean who creates sand in the oyster shell within the party than some outside opportunistic piranha whose only mission seems to be to question authority with disastrous results.

[sangha]

52. One big problem with argument

is that Dean couldn't even get a plurality (nevermind a majority) of DEM voters, and now he's telling Kerry how to get the votes of Dems, Independents and Repukes.

Another problem is that Kerry HAS called Bush* a radical, so Dean's advice is just another way for him to accuse the Dems of being "spineless" by implication. If Dean truly wanted to help the Dems, he'd be giving his advice in private, and asking the Dems "What can I do for you?" instead of saying "Here's what you have to do"

I work for a charity. We don't tell our clients, this is what you have to do. We ask them "What can we do for you? How can we help?"

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

56. I'll buy some but not all of that

I do agree with Janx that he is keeping his followers involved and even though he got NO plurality, it was a crowded field and does not negate his popularity.

I guess the only negative thing I would say is that I found his campaign to be a bit authoritarian and paternalistic, even some of his slogans (which did sour me on him) and this is an extension of that distaste I felt to some degree but I still think the manner in which the story is framed is designed to discredit him from the opening sentence.

I am sure he does continue in private conversations and I'd still rather he egg on from within than from without.

[sangha]

61. It's an implied criticism

Whenever someone tells someone else "You should....." it's an implied criticism. It implies "You're making a mistake by not....."

Why make the statement in public?

If Dean wants to keep his supporters involved, he could keep pointing to Bush*'s crimes and how the participation of liberals would move the party towards their beliefs (assuming the Dems want to be re-elected, and not just elected).

[janx]

60. I think that people assumed he was trying to do the latter,

(and he was portrayed that way), but he wasn't.

He is honestly trying to get Chimpy the hell out. If he had to draw a line in the sand for his fellow Dems to accomplish that, so be it. If he had to face some unpleasant truths about some weaknesses in the Dem party, then he had to do that too.

But I don't know if I've ever seen a man with such a--I hesitate to say hatred--total revulsion for Bush* and who is such an accurate and powerful nemesis to Bush* as Howard Dean. The two are almost exact and polar opposites. And fascinatingly, the two share some attributes: some northeastern background and a couple of lofty American pedigrees. But the men they have become--it's like fire and ice. On one hand, you have a guy who is now trying to shred the Constitution by injecting a fundamentalist Christian amendment into it, and on the other you have a guy who had to wear a bulletproof vest just to preserve what our Constitution says and afford some very basic rights to a portion of our country's population.

That's just one example.

So I hope you will continue to watch carefully and realize that Dean doesn't care so much about his title as the impact he can make in getting Bush* out. That's his goal.

And I very much appreciate your comments. :hi:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

63. No problem and thanks. We differ in the means and the details not

the immdiate goal..which by no means for me is the ultimate goal..step one..evict Bush..step two...equity and a return to a dialogue in this country regarding policy..national and international..right now..it's a monologue with some white noise.

[janx]

64. We agree more than you know!

Thanks so much.

[Rose Siding]

50. What, no salmon czar?

[janx]

68. What is this salmon czar matter? I saw references

to it elsewhere, but I can't find them now. ??

[diamondsoul]

70. I agree completely!

Keep SMACKIN' that Donkey, Gov!

[MurikanDemocrat]

71. I think Dean's right, and it's not hard to do. I think Kerry is already

doing this.

[janx]

73. Nope. He is not. He has adopted some of the language, but if

he wants to win, he's going to have to change out of his D.C. clothes for awhile--and I'm not talking about changing into something from the Land's End catalog (metaphorically speaking).

He's going to have to be very honest with himself and with the American people. He cannot try to please everyone--not in this situation--and that's hard for a career politician to do.

Maybe he can pull this off, but it's going to be very difficult. I wish him the best of luck.

The guy is going to have to do a 180.

[sangha]

74. Kerry should be just like Dean

and lose.

Thanks for the advice

[MurikanDemocrat]

77. I think Kerry is doing just fine. Thanks anyway.

[janx]

82. Kerry hasn't experienced the real opposition yet.

I hope he fares well.

[MurikanDemocrat]

85. He's been fielding turd balls from Bush, right wing, & Drudge for a couple

weeks, and firing back quite nicely each time.

[janx]

92. One or two "turdballs" ??

My goodness. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but please pay attention to what is about to happen. Give it two weeks.

[MurikanDemocrat]

93. Your concern is noted. But I still think he will do fine. This is not his

first hard fought election.

[sangha]

91. I guess Drudge, Hannity, MSNBC, and Limbaugh aren't "real" opposition

just like all those voters in the primaries aren't real Dems.

[w4rma]

72. Dean is awesome. (n/t)

[janx]

79. He is, without a doubt, our contemporary American statesman.

He will be written about for years to come, not just because of what he has done so far, but because of what he and we will continue to do.

We can only work and pray that he and we can make a difference in ousting the Chimp.

After that, it will be time to address the tea in the harbor, because the tea will be there still.

[snoochie]

76. Is this newspaper / journalist deliberately lying?

Can they provide a quote where Dean says what they say that he said in their headline and article?

This is shameful.

I was going to disagree, but after reaading what Dean said vs. what they claim in the headline, I don't disagree.

There is a huge difference between treating bush himself as an idealogue and treating the beneficiaries of his policies as the idealogues. Attacking the policies is GOOD, attacking bush is BAD.

:grr:

And did he actually say that people should support candidates who favor universal health care?

:wow:

[maddezmom]

78. no idea, but we'll know soon enough

he's going to be speaking soon. And for the record, I think he's right about bush*.

[janx]

81. They're not covering it, from what I can see.

[maddezmom]

86. are there any Conn DU'ers on the board?

maybe there will be local coverage of the event? Don't know, but it wasn't on CSPAN's coverage of today's events.

[Piperay]

80. CORRECT...Dean

is on point, chimp and his cronies are far right radicals and need to be called on it. :thumbsup:

[NashVegas]

87. Kerry Will Need a Small Army of Flame Throwers

Not here in DU, but in the mainstream.

Dean could be the flamethrower, but only if he's willing to give up any runs in the future.

[janx]

89. I disagree. I think Dean is willing to throw flames at Bush

NO MATTER WHAT!

;-)