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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:07 PM
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A vote for Clinton is a vote for Bloomberg?
And in turn a vote for Bloomberg is a vote for the GOP candidate.

With breaking news that associates of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg say he's begun detailed nationwide polling and voter analysis as he considers a third-party run for the White House, it's a question that should be asked. John King was just on CNN suggesting the conventional wisdom is that if a unifying candidate like Obama wins the nomination, he wouldn't jump in, but if a polarizing figure like Clinton is picked, it would open up the opportunity for him to win independent votes that so far have not come out for Hillary.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:13 PM
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1. I have a hard time finding a whole lot of difference between Obama, Clinton, and Bloomberg.
All quite amenable to the corporate power structure I'd think.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:48 PM
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8. Bloomberg has actually run something besides a campaign?
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 10:49 PM by Essene
To be blunt.

The last time we elected a Congressman to the White House was 1960 and i'm not convinced this year is the trend breaker, especially when americans actually think less of Congress than they do of Bush.

A moderate NYC mayor who's funny and extremely pragmatic on policy matters would be a serious force.

Against Obama, he'd struggle over independents but in the end would likely sweep them by contrasting experience. Obama might beat him, but Bloomberg might take enough to make the GOP guy win.

Against Clinton, i think Bloomberg absolutely destroys the Dems so badly that he could actually win.

The only candidate disliked by more people is Ron Paul. It's mind-boggling that democrats can't wake up to the fact that half the nation HATES her guts and she's not electible.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:54 PM
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9. ding, ding, ding....WE HAVE A WINNER!
I don't even like her, and I tried.

My former candidate, Wes Clark tried to get me into that camp...and Lord knows I tried. But I couldn't bring myself to do it, and the more I watched and listen the more I realized why; She ain't even original. Obama is. Anyone watching the two NH speeches back to back could see that she stole all of his idea. I want the original thinker. Not the one that's got to look to see what the others are doing in order to get it right. Screw that!
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:18 PM
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2. Wrong. Clinton and Obama are the 2 candidates who would determine a Bloomberg run.
It's as if the Democrats were just begging Bloomberg to run. They don't do it knowingly. They just tend not to be smart enough to analyze which way the political winds are blowing. They drink the Koolaide as freely as the Republicans do. A lot of Democrats will vote for Bloomberg just because they figure Clinton or Obama can't win and that Bloomberg would be better than any of the (other) Republican candidates. We've gotten ourselves into a fine mess and will deserve what we have coming to us. But one thing is certain: America will not make Obama the president in 2008. He probably could have made it to the presidency in the future, but this run seriously calls his judgment into question. He's willing to see another Democratic defeat in order to further his own political ambitions by making himself a household name in preparation for a run in 2012. Good for him, bad for us.
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Tess99 Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:22 PM
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3. If we nominate a divisive relic of the past like Hillary, we deserve a Bloomberg run.
If she's the nominee, he's got my vote.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:24 PM
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4. Whooptedo,
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:27 PM
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5. And there's a lot of people who feel the same about Obama.
They worry about his lack of experience. I do too.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:57 PM
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10. Do a DU poll of
Obama or Clinton vs Bloomberg....I dare ya!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:59 PM
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12. I'd rather worry about unoriginal lack of judgement
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 11:01 PM by FrenchieCat
and Experience by virtue of being married to the President. That's what she's selling.

She didn't even know what her husband, the President was doing half of the time. Do we really need all of that? Along with all of the rest of that ancient soooo 1990 garbage. Don't think so! Not if I can help it.

I want a real leader, not somebody who's got to bring their husband with them in order to be elected first Woman President! Why is she so entitled? Cause she knows where the lightswitches are in the White House, before voting signing some kind of bill authorizing war? So much shit, so little time.

And to be honest, what is all of this experience that Hillary has other than her six years as a Junior Senator? The fact that she can bring back all of the old relics from the past.....to give us more of the same. That is what passes for experience these days? I'd rather have fresh ideas, energy, inspiration and sound Judgement anyday!


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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 11:07 PM
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13. How Much Experience ...
... did Abraham Lincoln have?

Well, look it up.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:37 PM
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6. Boomberg has said he would not hurt Hilary and others
have said the same aboutObama. Not interfere with1st Woman or1st African American.

I saw and reported to different reports that Obama is running as a
Centrist. We all know Hilary is a Centrist. Why would Blooberg run
against a Centrist.

I suspect we have one set of elites (showing no idea of what is
going on the Country) trying to stir things up and create another
loss for the Democratic Party.



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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:40 PM
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7. This is HUGH1111111
Hillary is going to desperately need Bloomberg's .0026547% of the popular vote! :)
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:58 PM
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11. No Doubt About It
Bloomberg is obviously a very sharp operator; he won't run if he doesn't see the percentage in his favor to win.

A Clinton nomination will certainly mean a Bloomberg candidacy.

After spending a half billion dollars, Bloomberg will be elected, Clinton will come in second and any Republican will be a distant third.

What too many folks inside DU simply do not comprehend is that there is a strong a political-cultural disdain of Clinton(s) among a very large percentage of the voting public. As we are witnessing right here at DU, Clinton sparks divisiveness, cynicism and distrust.

A nasty Clinton(s) versus Obama primary fight -- with any hint of racial insensitivity -- will create an environment of bitter partisanship that will add tremendous credibility to a Bloomberg 'unity' campaign message.

We will see what the next few weeks hold for Democratic Party. But I think especially that the Clinton(s) supporters need to go an extra mile to be tolerant of perceived attacks on their candidate. Over 200 years of the most vile kind of oppression is wrapped-up in the hopes of many Obama backers, that simply cannot be minimized.






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