Hillary should be crying over her Iraq War vote!!

[BluegrassDem]

Hell, she won't even apologize for that vote. Why don't she cry over all the dead New York soldiers coming back every week from Iraq? I never saw her tear up over that. After all, her support of the war helped with its passage. She carries some responsibility for all the dead soldiers. When she cries for them, I'll believe her.

[maddiejoan]

1. How do you know she doesn't?

[gmudem]

3. How about not trying to distract from the question?

I'm a New Yorker and she doesn't represent me. Her and Schumer have been disgraceful lately.

[Sparkly]

4. It's a valid question.

How do you know she doesn't?

[maddiejoan]

9. So?

I'm from New York also,

Hillary is doing a fine job --Schumer? feh --not so much.

[cali]

36. do you even begin to see the irony of an EdWARds supporter

being sanctimonious about this. Do you actually think that because EdWARds apologized 3 fucking years later, after supporting the war for that long, his hands are any less bloody. He's the one that co-sponsored an IWR with Lieberman, and he was way more war war war than she was. She spoke for diplomacy. He had no problem bypassing the UN. Both their votes demonstrated a lapse in judgment. His was even worse than hers.

[BluegrassDem]

6. Hmm..maybe she does cry for them in private?

Ok, so she only cries in public when it suits her political purpose, but she only cries in private when it doesn't? I mean, I would love to see her shed a tear when a mother talks about her dead son or daughter. Hillary has been asked multiple times about Iraq, with some questions from parents of a dead soldier. Hillary never once teared up for them. NEVER. But she tears up when she talks about herself. What a joke!

[maddiejoan]

10. I doubt that highly

but enjoy your fantasy world where Hillary is a monster.

[aquart]

2. No, you won't.

You aren't nearly that reasonable. Or forgiving, I note.

[HughMoran]

5. Kind of a one-note kinda thing I've noticed too

It's getting old, fast!

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[bronxiteforever]

8. In 2004 she wasn't sorry about her vote so I guess she doesn't cry

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret "the way the president used the authority."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/

[maddiejoan]

11. what a shocker!

Ya know what?

I agree with her too!

BTW --that was 2004 --things change --she now DOES regret it and says her vote was a mistake.

Has she apologized? No.

she has nothing to apologize for.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

19. Yes, she very much does have a lot to apologize for with Iraq

Almost 4,000 US soldiers killed, 70,000+ wounded or evacuated-- untold numbers of other private soldiers and contractors not even included there. Thousands of killed or wounded allied soldiers. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed. Permanent loss of US international status and our decline as a world power. Over $2 trillion in debt factoring in costs for equipment replacement and health care for veterans, and still rising. Arrogant attempt to steal Iraq's oil.

Hillary was one of the only Senators in either party in 2002 with the name recognition and power to question the rush to war, and considering her affiliation with the intelligence committee, it was not only Hillary's privilege but her responsibility to do so. She wasn't even running in 2004. She failed, miserably, as a leader-- a much worse failure than the Hillarycare debacle-- and now we are suffering the horrible consequences of her failure in leadership. Not someone who is qualified to be a national executive.

[maddiejoan]

32. She did question the rush to war in her speech before the Senate

and IWR wasn't a rush to war.

I'm tired of people who don't understand (or purposely misrepresent) what IWR was. Really. Your ignorance (or your politicing) actually angers me.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

35. And your own naivete and pathetic misrepresentation

angers just about everyone here. What do you think the IWR was about? The whole point of the IWR was to turn Congress's specific war-declaration authority over to the President. And for all of Hillary's "caution" about the IWR, she refused to demand a closer examination of the available intelligence, something she had the power to do both as a prominent figure within Congress and as a member with links to the intelligence committee. She refused to do that, and thus fundamentally failed as a person in a critical leadership post.

Besides, it's not just the IWR, it's Hillary's war support in the years hence, very consistent and quite obvious. Your little head-in-the-sand act is exactly why politicians from both parties were able to push us into this debacle in Iraq-- too many citizens weren't paying enough attention to call them on it.

[moodforaday]

34. So you're a warmonger

just like Hillary is, or hopelessly ignorant, I get that. Anything else?

[Cameron27]

12. Did DU give Kerry/Edwards the same scrutiny

in 04, when Edwards still hadn't apologized.

[Tom Joad]

14. It sure as hell should have.

warmongers.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

30. Agree

Anyone in Congress who failed to ask the key questions and pushed our country into this fiasco in Mesopotamia, merits the utmost scrutiny for their actions. When it comes to a government's decisions, war and peace is the single most important there is.

[Tom Joad]

13. I could give her a MILLION reasons to do so.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

15. Hillary was among the most instrumental figures paving the way for the disastrous Iraq War

right up there with the neocons. She should be able, now, to own up to that disastrous blunder to the people who supposedly constitute her own base.

[Tom Joad]

24. Hillary and neocons? really?

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

27. Outstanding pic. Great example of how

a single picture really can say more than a thousand words. Or a million.

[LostinVA]

16. Quit spamming the board -- against DU rules

[LittleClarkie]

18. I only see two threads. Not spamming then.

But it does appear that he might be going overboard in his criticism. There is something about not campaigning against Dems. I would think it's getting close to that.

On edit: this is the rule I mean:

"Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party is permitted. When doing so, please keep in mind that most of our members come to this website in order to get a break from the constant attacks in the media against our candidates and our values. Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here."

[LostinVA]

22. There are four above then fold, and more this afternoon

And, there are all unlinked accusations. Against DU rules. People have been TSed for this.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

23. Sure doesn't seem like spamming-- < 5 posts, on substantive issues?

Maybe some Clinton supporters want to declare anything they don't like as spam. Well, time to wake up from your delusions, cuz you can forget about it.

[rAVES]

17. Not a fricking chance..

[Arugula Latte]

20. Don't you know? It's all about the Clintons. nt

[BenDavid]

21. Damn!here again is folks wanting her to grovel like they made

edwards do and after he had kissed enough ass some said it was okay.

I think it's about time I wrote my thoughts(AGAIN) about HRC and the constant negative statements by those that do not support her. For some reason, some Democrats in here can't say, "I prefer Edwards or Obama." No, that won't do - that would take a measure of adulthood. It is always something negative about HRC, but that is your right to express exactly what you desire. but I too get to write what I feel too....

I wonder if these same folks that respond to anything HRC puts out are the same ones that say she must apologize for her vote on Iraq and in some way claim she is enabling this war? Ask yourself how stupid it would sound to say,Max Cleland's enabling the Iraq war disaster, Joe Biden's enabling the Iraq war disaster, Tom Harken's enabling the Iraq war disaster, John Kerry's enabling the Iraq war disaster, Chuck Schumers enabling the Iraq war disaster.(On the Joint Resolution (H.J.Res. 114 voted Yea)

You see? It's no fun to hold Harken or Kerry responsible for BUSH's disaster, but the freshman senator from New York, SHE's responsible for BUSH's disaster all on her own. DAMN!I believe most of HER haters in her believe that Hillary overruled the Joint Chiefs and ordered those troops to Iraq. This has nothing to do with proportion of blame - most folks just hate Hillary's guts and anybody with a hardon to hate Hillary gets to say it. Hell, I think you haters believe it was HER vote thats killed 3921 soldiers and Cleland, Kerry and Edwards and any other Dem that voted had NOTHING to do with it. GET OVER IT..HRC IS NOT GOING TO APOLIGIZE....

If this is not you, then why is it that folks keep up the rant that HRC must apologize.....This fever reminds me of the GOP's impeachment fever back in 1998. Bill's impeachment was like a criminal assault and battery. NOTHING was going to stop that impeachment because they had the fever. The GOP was "caught up" with impeachment fever - that's all they could see or hear. Bill's approval rating was in the 70s - and voters clearly didn't want him to be impeached, but like the criminal who can't stop until he assaults enough, it was GOING to happen.

Hell, the GOP lost seats in November of 1998 - but that didn't matter to them. NOTHING was going to stop that impeachment because they had the fever. They lived and breathed impeachment the way some people are now living and breathing "Stop her!"

IF YOU,LIKE ANOTHER CANDIDATE BETTER THAN HRC,VOTE FOR HIM OR HER...... But when I read some of the HATE directed towards HRC, you got the fever and that tells me something.

And to THOSE DEMOCRATS, "I'll vote Republican before I'll vote for Her," Democrats need to worry because your "Stop her!" fever is turning you into what the GOP was in 1998.

Shalom
Ben David

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

25. She should be crying about the fact she mistakenly placed her trust in George Bush

I've read her speech on the Senate floor during the debate on the Iraq War Resolution. It boiled down to the fact that it was a hard decision to make, but she would trust George Bush not to use his completely open-ended war powers irresponsibly. Here's a quote from that speech:

"...I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible. ..."

With the distance of time, it seems like a ridiculous notion that George Bush would behave with any degree of responsibility. Contrast that with what Barbara Boxer and Russ Feingold said. They had not one iota of trust for the President. Feingold's speech basically made the point that Bush had given so many unfounded reasons for going to war that you couldn't trust any of them.

If there is to be a first female President, I really wish it could be someone like Barbara Boxer. I wouldn't hesitate to support her in the fullest. Here are her votes regarding Iraq and the Middle East:

Voted YES on redeploying non-essential US troops out of Iraq in 9 months.
Voted NO on designating Iran's Revolutionary Guards as terrorists.
Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008.
Voted YES on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007.
Voted YES on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Voted YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding.
Voted NO on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Voted NO on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. H.J.Res. 114, the Iraq War Resolution

Here are some of Hillary Clinton's votes:

Voted YES on designating Iran's Revolutionary Guards as terrorists. (i.e. voted in support of Joe Lieberman's bill)
Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007.
Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq, the Iraq War Resolution

The real kicker for me, something that completely turned me off to Hillary Clinton was her siding with Joseph Lieberman to proclaim the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as terrorists. It did nothing to help diplomacy and merely continued to make Bush's case that they were an axis of evil, not to be bargained with but to be labeled as terrorists, with whom you don't negotiate.

I really don't care whether our next President is a man or a woman. I just want it to be someone who has good judgement, who doesn't put blind faith in a madman like George Bush and who doesn't side with people like Joseph Lieberman.

[Maat]

26. AND ... her refusal to vote for the amendment

precluding the passing on of cluster bombs to those who would not guarantee that they would not be used against civilians.

She didn't want to distress the warmongers/NeoCons who sanction their use in Lebannon.

There is NO excuse for their use in this day and age; they are a vehicle for genocide, as far as I'm concerned.

Very indicative of her hawkish views, depite her being a lawyer, and knowing that certain invasions (and bombings) are illegal and unnecessary.

Very disappointing.

[fightindonkey]

28. So Should Obama. He Continuously Voted To Fund It.

[FrenchieCat]

29. Well that should help us in the GE.....like it did the last time....

maybe we can just not really talk about iraq, hey?

[Major Hogwash]

31. It won't matter later on. When she loses a few primaries and a few more caucuses, she'll bawl again.

About people "who just don't know me"!

What a crock!

The problem is Hillary, we do know ya!

[ordinaryaveragegirl]

33. I'm sure she'd take that vote back in a heartbeat if she could...

As would many others on our side of the aisle, including Edwards, Biden, Kerry, and Bayh. BushCo lied to everyone, across the country and through the halls of Congress.