Please watch this short video clip of Obama

[Little Star]

I have posted it before, and it sinks like a rock everytime. This is something that needs to be discussed, cause if we don't the republicans surely will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN30M6StFfk

[Little Star]

1. kick

[Little Star]

2. No one will respond? I think it sinks too fast and people can't see it. kick. nt

[JackORoses]

3. it is very simple

He said "I don't know how I would have voted if I was in the Senate and had the Security Info that they had, but from where I stand, the case was not made."

This is wholly consistent with his Anti-war position while at the same time avoiding being overtly critical of the Democratic nominees at the time, Kerry/Edwards, who had voted for the IWR.

What do you not understand?

And don't feed me Big Dog's baloney. His comments on this were very deceptive.

[Little Star]

5. He does not know how he would have voted. end of story. and then

he says he didn't mean what he said.

[JackORoses]

10. you're misinformed. have you even seen the full quote?

when he says "From where I stand, the case was not made"
what does he mean?

[Little Star]

13. that only reinforces that he doesn'y know how he would have voted had he had the

same information as them.

[JackORoses]

16. that doesn't mean he would have voted for the IWR

He could have had that Intelligence data and still voted No.

So your point is mute. All he was doing here was providing a little cover for the Party Nominees.
In no way did he relinquish his stance against the Iraq War.

[Cha]

28. Your disingenousness knows no

bounds. Are you being purposely obtuse or are you up past your eyes in red herrings?

[Adelante]

4. Yes? nt

[bigdarryl]

6. AND the point is. The rethugs are done they already lost the election SEE BELOW

http://blogs.britannica.com/blog/main/2007/10/the-13-keys-to-the-white-house-why-the-democrats-will-win/
The 13 Keys to the White House: Why the Democrats Will Win -Britannica Blog

[Little Star]

7. And Obama was going to win by double digits last night. Don't ever get cocky in

elections, is the lesson that should be learned.

[Indie Girl]

8. He flip flopped

Either way, they will call him a liar. Either he lied he wasn't sure or he lied to the nation just to be "nice" to Kerry/Edwards.

[JackORoses]

11. not a flip flop, ma'am

He said "I don't know how I would have voted if I was in the Senate"
That is not the case is it. He was stating a hypothetical. Do you know what that is?

This in no way disqualifies the open public statements he made in the Real World against the Iraq War, both before it was voted on and afterwards.
Why are you not as interested in discussing these?

[soundguy]

18. No, here is a non-flip flop.

As you know I have I have always been a vocal critic of the war. Had I been a Senator at that time they would have had shown me some very compelling evidence to get me to change my mind.

[quinnox]

9. Its one of a million things they would use against Obama

Obama all but admits to lying in this clip. Obama gives the republicans too much ammuntition to use against him.

[JackORoses]

14. as for Ammo, the Repukes have a Revolver to use against Obama, with Hillary they have a B-2 Bomber

[defendandprotect]

12. This aside, which I don't think is clear to anyone . . . I don't see Obama as a strong candidate ---

[JackORoses]

17. you don't see new voters and Independents flocking to the Democratic Party as a good thing?

[earthside]

15. What's the big deal?

What are the Republicans going to say about that little clip?

On the other hand, I heard a radio caller go on for five minutes this morning about the Clinton(s) White House travel office 'scandal'.

So, what is the point, exactly?

[hedgehog]

19. It's a clip that will be used by people who already are voting for

someone else. I don't think any person with an open mind will have any idea understanding that Obama didn't want to dis Kerry and Edwards the day after they were nominated.

[jlake]

21. Yeah, but he admits that political expediency outweighs principle.

....not really anything new, but he is running on a "new kind of politics".

[hedgehog]

24. Like I said, people who attack him based on this already are supporting someone else! nt

[jlake]

25. Actually, this combined with McHomophobe are WHY I am not supporting him.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[magatte]

26. Hahaha - so this is why you are not supporting him...

:roll eyes:

[jlake]

27. Yeah, being a liar and supporting a homophobe that thinks I am diseased and wants to kill

children kinda turned me off. LOL

[H2O Man]

29. I agree.

I consider using this as scraping the bottom of the barrel.

[jlake]

20. So he was against the war before he didn't know which was before he was against it.

He flip flopped and then flipped again..... and his excuse is that it was because of political expediency.....wow my head is spinning.

[JackORoses]

22. your head is spinning because you have it shoved in your ass and your brain needs Oxygen

hmmm Political Expediency...

You mean like voting for a War
or declaring another country's government Terrorists just to help your Presidential chances?

[jlake]

23. If he WAS Against it, then why say he does not know he would have voted?

[Bodhi BloodWave]

30. He stated as he ran for senate that he was against the war

During the election he stated that ""I don't know how I would have voted if I was in the Senate and had the Security Info that they had, but from where I stand, the case was not made."

Now if you look at what he says there are two very important things he mentions "if I was in the Senate" and "had the Security Info that they had"

Obviously at the time of the vote he was Not in the US Senate and he did not have access to the Security info

Now the last part "but from where I stand, the case was not made." states quite bluntly that from what info he had back when the vote was cast he didn't think there was a case for war

And lets consider the fact that this was while Kerry and Edwards was running so Obama was nice enough to not sabotage their chances by stating directly that he was against it.

Side note question: How many here on DU would likely have attacked, chided, complained and railed against Obama if he HAD actually been direct on his view? (My guess is almost everybody)

[jlake]

31. You just made my point.

He does not know how he would have voted.
And parsed his words (political expediency) to "not embarrass Kerry & Edwards".
If he was SOOO Anti-ware as his supporters tell me, he sure did not have the courage to stand by his choice.

His track record shows that he bobs and weaves to avoid controversial votes.

My guess on his IWR vote: either a no show 75% or Yes 25%

[Bodhi BloodWave]

32. I disagree

even tho i already stated my view on the post above I'll repeat it without all his words

How does it help him stop the war if his statements would loose our democratic candidates votes?

By being loyal to the party and not directly criticizing them he upped the chances for a Democrat to reach the white house, an action that would have done a lot more to stop the war then stating bluntly he was against the war(And you know the Republicans would have taken full advantage of such an clip to weaken Kerry and Edwards)

What he said was that based on the info he had at the time(during the vote) there was no case for war, but if he had had access to the info his decision might have been different(Tho considering the security report didn't show an urgent need for war i am positive he would still have voted no )

[jlake]

33. Let me be clear.

The fact that he was not willing to stand by his objection to the war for political reasons, why would I believe he could sustain the political pressure in the senate no matter WHAT new evidence would be available to him?

[Bodhi BloodWave]

35. He did stand by his view that the case had not been made

And there was nothing to gain by giving the republicans free ammo to use against the democratic candidates

I would dare bet that if he had stated it bluntly that you would have been amongst the large horde of democrats attacking Obama for weakening our candidates at the time

Things are not always black and white, and i think he showed good judgment on his choice of words

Also take a look at post 34

[jlake]

36. Okay, I will concede that it was the right thing to do to not weaken Kerry & Edwards

BUT in doing so, her permanantly gave up his right to say he has always been against the Iraq war. Saying "I didn't want to hurt Kerry....I really didn't mean it....I would have voted no"
Does not cut it. And the truth of the matter is that NO ONE (Including O himself) Truly knows how he would have voted if he had been in the senate, with all classified info, and the pressure.
It is dishonest for Obama supporters to claim that "he didn't vote for the IWR" #1. He could not have as he was not in the senate (Something a great # of people who make this claim do not even know) & the case I stated above.
....coupled with his IDENTICAL votes to Hillary since he has joined the senate cast great doubt on any anti-war claims in my mind.
I can forgive his positions, I just think it is dishonest to claim Obama is "anti-war" and Hillary is "a war monger" (as many obama supporters claim)

[Bishop Rook]

34. As others have said...

The position is quite consistent. He doesn't know how he would have voted if he had access to the same information the other Senators did, but from what he saw, the case wasn't made. That's honesty. It would have been much more politically expedient to just say, "If I had been in the Senate, I never would have voted for the war!" Because nobody can call him on that, he wasn't in the Senate, and our news media does not employ mind readers. Instead of doing that, he honestly answered that he can't say how he would have voted without having been in the other candidates' shoes.

The clip is also quite obviously cropped and edited halfway through. I heard this exact interview on the radio today, it was much longer and he went more in-depth into why he said he didn't know how he would have voted. It was not simply "because I wanted to make Kerry and Edwards look good." You can also see by the ticker on the screen bottom that it was CNN doing this malicious editing, not the Youtube poster. Nice.