McCain v Clinton

[Carolina]

in the GE means Dems lose

McCain or Clinton means more war.

Ain't it odd how suddenly the war is not such a big issue?

Yet the squandered capital, lives and international goodwill AFFECTS everything at here at home.

All the rosy scenarios of programs and plans mean squat as long as we're over there...

This is a sad night.

[David Dunham]

1. Hillary wins. McCain's speech tonight was terrible.

[Carolina]

5. so are many of Bush's

you forget congenital repukes and those who won't vote for a woman.

BTW, I have no candidate.

[BootinUp]

2. McCain will not be the R nominee.

so sayeth Jim4Wes. ;)

Your war monger take on Clinton makes me puke in your general direction.

[Carolina]

6. puke on

the truth is the truth

[BootinUp]

17. lack of understanding politics rarely leads to the truth. nt

[The Magistrate]

3. McCain Will Never Be President, Ma'am

Probably he will not even receive their nomination....

[antiimperialist]

4. Clinton loses, because those polls never miss (Where were you today?) n/t

[Carolina]

7. right here

Dems have a habit of snatching defeat from victory in the last couple of GEs save 2006 and a lot of good that did us with the Pelosi, Reid, Clinton go-along-to-get-along model!

[Maven]

8. McCain's "100 years in Iraq" mantra will sink him

Especially among independents.

I used to think he was a threat, but I really don't any more. I think any of our top candidates would beat him.

[sjdnb]

9. What the heck are you talking about?

Fact is if any Dem wins, the war will end more quickly. And, just what makes you think any theoretical 'exit strategy' will be what actually gets put in place?

Fact is, if we intend to keep an embassy in Iraq, we will need to protect it - aka troops will remain

If we are going to pull out, we need to do it in a way that doesn't leave any of our forces/troops vulnerable/hanging in the wind.

And, that might take a year or two. Unless you want to see a repeat of Vietnam's 'exit strategy'.

The more important questions is will any of the people who criminally profited/advanced this war (with lies) ever pay for their self-serving actions that resulted in dead troops and civilians?

[Carolina]

11. I was perfectly clear

FACT IS WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IN IRAQ in the first fucking place!

To your last point, no HRC will let the criminals slide just as Bill did with the investigation of the Iran-contra thugs. I know Poopy (typo intended) pardoned six (Weinberger among them) as he was exiting but Walsh still had his investigation.

HRC = more of the same

And, BTW, I don't have a candidate. I am heartsick about this whole race because I live in HRC hating country and I don't think she can win the GE nor can Obama, and Edwards has been marginalized by the M$M.

[sjdnb]

14. What makes a great politician ... Bill Clinton 101

Make your enemies think they are winning, even when they are not.

[kurt_cagle]

12. Clinton and Iraq

Reality: Iraq is largely in the state that it is because Bush
doesn't WANT a peaceful resolution there, unless it is on
terms that are highly favorable (read extortionate) to the oil
companies. Until that dynamic is changed, all that an American
pullout of troops accomplishes is that the country becomes a
vassal of Iran, likely under Sadr, just that much faster. This
is recognized by most of the Dems - American responsibility
broke it, America needs to fix it. This is why most of the Dem
candidates are walking a very delicate tightrope there. There
will be an American presence in Iraq for a long time
regardless of who is president; the question is basically what
they end up doing there.

Will having a president with at least some Islamic training
prove a boon there? Possibly, probably not. Islam is a useful
cover, but the Islamic politics of the war in Iraq are driven
as much by a desire to be the last man standing with control
of the oil as it does Islamic devotion. Clinton is a
pragmatist, which is not always a pleasing thing to see if
you're an ideologue of any stripe, but the reality is that she
sees a very complex problem and recognizes that such a problem
does not have a simple answer.

[Carolina]

15. But HRC's aiding and abettting mean zip

she sees a complex problem made so because of Anglo-American meddling in the region to steal oil, made so because of people like her who voted for the mess in the first place.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

21. Exactly. It's scary how many Dems I've encountered, who won't support her in the GE

She's being hoisted on her own petard here. They see little difference between her and someone like McCain. The truth is, most of us here in DU would probably support a Democratic nominee even if not our first choice, but this isn't necessarily the case for Democrats overall. If Hillary continues to get less than half of the support of voters in the primaries, and especially among Independents, this bodes very poorly for her in the general election.

[Carolina]

22. thank you

this is why I have been so disheartened by this race from the get-go.

Little difference betwen HRC and Lieberman, too.

She will have no coattails in local races in many parts of this country.

Just as I felt that Obama would lose last night, I feel HRC will lose in the GE. I'm over 50 and sadly, my gut feelings have served me well and been all too on target for many years.

[Skip Intro]

10. She came from defeat to win. I think she may do just fine in the GE.

Beyond that, I think she'll make a great president.

[killbotfactory]

13. Republicans aren't going to win

period.

[Carolina]

16. yeah

I thought that in 2000, 2002, 2004 ... then briefly felt uplifted in 2006 but alas go along/get along Dems akin to HRC have once again disappointed.

It's a long way 'til November.

[TeamJordan23]

18. Clinton cannot win Independent voters. nm

[Proud2BAmurkin]

19. Nope. They'll be even on foreign policy and Clinton destroys him on domestic issues.

nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

20. Clinton will destroy McCain in the general

Who are you kidding?