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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:58 PM
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I think the woman advantage came from the piling on after the debate, not the crying
I think it came from the criticism of her for showing anger at the debate, not the crying.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:59 PM
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1. THAT is the most insightful thing I ever read from you. Agreed.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:31 PM
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21. For me, I finally decided to support Sen. Clinton after the piling on.
I was sampling the various contenders, listening to them and reading about them.

Then, when the "piling on" started I realized it was just the same old sexism that I've put up with all my life. I'm tired of it and I'm not going to let an extremely capable woman, who's better prepared then either of the top two male candidates, soldier on without my support. She's got it!

I sent her $100 after Obama said she was "likable - enough" and another $100 after Edwards talked about the president needing "resolve."

i sure hope they stop this kind of thing or I'll go broke.

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:39 PM
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22. I understand your feelings. Can you send me $100?
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:59 PM
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2. Yes, the piling on bothered me. Not the emotion.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:00 PM
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3. I agree - as a woman it angered me eventhough I support Edwards
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:00 PM
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4. How about it came from her doing WELL in the debates...? n/t
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:04 PM
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10. Agree with that but part of that was being given opportunity to beat back a pile on
That happened in an early debate too. PIle on = Clinton win
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:21 PM
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14. Thats my view as well. We heard a lot of people were talking about it the next day.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:00 PM
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5. My husband thought Clinton kicked ass in that debate.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:00 PM
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6. glad it wasn't on substance, because her Kyle/Lieberman vote tells you where she really stands /nt
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:00 PM
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7. I think New Hampshire women connect with Hillary better than Iowa women
but that's just me.
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:02 PM
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8. I agree - not a Hil fan and that angered me....
The misogyny is running high without much checking. How you balance that to the fear/avoidance of racism will be an interesting analysis in the end.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:02 PM
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9. It was the "crying" and the implied inevitibility of an Obama Presidency.
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 10:03 PM by liberalmuse
Even I thought she was a bit harsh at first during the last debates, but she mellowed 1/4 of the way through it and gained her composure. Then she gets choked up after what has to be a grueling campaign and a really dramatic defeat, and people are absolutely disgusting the way they are slamming her. I saw her as a human being, and that's hard to see, especially with a woman who is fighting her way to the top in a man's world. I think some of us might have had a little epiphany this past week. Hillary isn't even as half as bad as the fucking asswipes trying to hold her down.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:19 PM
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12. Nice post liberalmuse, coming out of Iowa with the three of them so close,
the appearance of the tag-team, 2 against 1, did the job. The attacks following that changed the equation. After Iowa, either Edwards or Hillary had to go.

Still early, the primaries are still alive, and voter interest in this election is climbing which is good for the entire country.

After 8 years of the MSM slams against our people, it is nice to see them get slammed with their own words. No matter the emerging winner in this contest, America has won one.

Maybe our country isn't as dead as the pundits have claimed.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:15 PM
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11. I agree with you, because anyone who looked at that video could see
that she didn't "lose it".

She made her points emphatically, but so did Edwards, who was actually more emphatic.

And the next day the MSM hammered her to pieces over how "angry" she was, and tried to liken it to the (so-called) Dean Scream.

So once again, the corporate media carries something to an extreme, and normal people push back.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:19 PM
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13. I think the debate coverage was the turning point also
Both seeing how well Hillary performed and watching how she was attacked for that performance. And of course that just set up the coverage of her emotional moment for a pro-Hillary backlash to intensify. First she got savaged for showing controlled anger, then she got savaged for letting a softer side show. She was damned when she did and then damned when she didn't. It was so fucking obvious to a whole lot of people how the deck was being stacked against her as a woman in both cases - but the cummulative effect was really powerful.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:23 PM
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18. I agree, and I still think it didn't help Obama that he and Edwards looked like
the popular kids, talking about why people like them more than they like her. That was unfortunate, especially with the two of them side by side ...
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:22 PM
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15. I agree, too.
Thoughtful people--men or women--could have seen her as "commanding,"
"forceful," "authoritative," etc. The noise that followed was insulting to the intelligence, IMO.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:22 PM
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16. Many women are excited about Hillary's candidacy. We do not
need any incentive to vote for her. Some voters just approve of Hillary as their candidate of choice.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:22 PM
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17. She won that debate in my opinion. Couldn't believe all those on here that said she tanked.
She rockes!
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:26 PM
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19. Yes, surely women identified!
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:27 PM
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20. No. In NH...
All I heard about from voters was the crying. Poor Hillary. I just got off the phone with my mother in law... shes in absolute hysterics.

This is such a sad day for so many genuine people. Whatever. On with the game.
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