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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:40 AM
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"Morality" will be a huge factor in
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 12:56 AM by devrc243
Bush's campaign and how he will use this as a "hot topic" to run on. What a load of crap:eyes: Guess the "fundies" think they have the "dibs" on morality:silly:

Nevertheless, pitiful that they can't put the issues that are breaking the backs of Americans on the table...
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ERLC launches voting initiative in view of 'critical' '04 ballot
Feb 17, 2004
By Dwayne Hastings

New ERLC website

NASHVILLE (BP)--The head of the Southern Baptist Convention's moral concerns and public policy entity believes the 2004 election may be one of the most pivotal elections in U.S. history. Thus, Richard Land told the SBC's Executive Committee, he is spearheading a voter education and registration drive to encourage Americans to vote their values, not their pocketbook or their political party.

"I believe this election will be one of the most critical elections not just in my lifetime ...

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In underscoring the importance of the upcoming election, Land announced to the Executive Committee the launch of a far-reaching initiative, iVoteValues.com, to educate voters and register new voters. The initiative, which seeks to "promote awareness of the immediate and long-term importance of values-based voting," will encourage people to register to vote and to make sure their friends and family members are registered to vote.

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The Internet site eventually will offer voters a side-by-side comparison of the major presidential candidates' values, gleaned from their statements on key issues and their political party's platforms. Among the issues that will be covered are abortion, fetal stem cell research, same-sex "marriage," the Pledge of Allegiance and the public display of the Ten Commandments.
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"We must make our voices heard. We must never try to tell people how to vote, but we should tell them that the Lord wants to talk to them about how they're going to vote, and the Lord is going to talk to them someday about how they voted," Land said


http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=17662

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As someone who was raised in a Baptist Church, I find this extremely troubling. There ARE those of us who DO vote Democratic. I see why Jimmy Carter left the southern baptist church.


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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:55 AM
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1. More hypocrisy.
I really ought to start my own religion based on the love of Christ and how he taught us to be good to on an other - and not how stealing, manipulating and lying are the root causes for evil. I always thought it was called Christianity but Well, I guess I was wrong.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:02 AM
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2. The Bible has many examples
of how Christ helped the poor. This isn't the definition of "Christ-like" that I was taught as a child. To alienate people based on their gender, race, socioeconomic background flat out goes against what Christ stands for.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:08 AM
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3. And there you have it
They are basically saying that they believe Jesus Christ has endorsed George W. Bush and the Republican Party platform.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:08 AM
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4. most of the bush family is trashy and offensive
there is the herpes infested brother of bush neil who divorced his wife after cheating on her. jeb's wife is a criminal and so are all 3 of his kids. his son ran his car into some girl's home, his other son had sex in public place, his daughter is a druggie like uncle george. laura bush killed a guy with her car, her husband is an alcoholic and druggie and lied about giving up drinking. he drinks and drives. both his daughters are criminals. the entire family is trashy and disgusting.
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exotrip Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:11 AM
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5. First Huckabee, now Richard Land
God sure has been on the phone a lot this week.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:16 AM
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7. Huckabee?
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 01:17 AM by devrc243
As in Arkansas's governor? I missed this...
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exotrip Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:17 AM
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8. search the forum
There was discussion about how at the Repub Gov. Convention, he pretended that God was speaking to him on the phone or something.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:21 AM
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10. I heard he was once
a southern baptist preacher--that explains it:eyes:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 09:18 AM
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11. Hi exotrip!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:14 AM
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6. I aggree that 'morality' is part of the election
--snip--
The Internet site eventually will offer voters a side-by-side comparison of the major presidential candidates' values, gleaned from their statements on key issues and their political party's platforms. Among the issues that will be covered are abortion, fetal stem cell research, same-sex "marriage," the Pledge of Allegiance and the public display of the Ten Commandments.
--snip--

What, nothing on lying, stealing, cheating or blowing up innocents?
Hey, guys, instead of worrying about public display of the Ten Commandments, why don't you try OBEYING THEM.

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"We must make our voices heard. We must never try to tell people how to vote, but we should tell them that the Lord wants to talk to them about how they're going to vote, and the Lord is going to talk to them someday about how they voted," Land said
--snip--

I aggree, Mr. Land. God will judge you, on how you voted for your pocketbook and a agenda that has nothing to do with the founder of your religion. Alas for you, blind lawyer and Pharasee, hypocrit that you are!

Morality is part of this election, all right.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:18 AM
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9. This might be relevent (posted in a Rove thread recently)
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Karl Rove is not a man to whose lips the words "I made a mistake" spring easily, and, as regards the 2000 election, he has often pointed out (and did to me) that his candidate far outperformed all those predictive models that posited Al Gore, as the nominee of the party in power during peaceful and prosperous times, as unbeatable. Still, Rove was heard during the last month of the campaign saying that Bush was going to win by six points. That the election was, instead, a tie seems to have come as a surprise to him." I don't know what we were going to win by," he said, when I asked him about it. "I mean, toward the end it was bravado. But particularly after that last, after the D.U.I."-the revelation during the campagn last week that Bush had been arrested in Maine for drunk driving years earlier--"it was closing, as these things tend to anyway, and then that just accelerated it." He added that the Republicans had been "grossly outspent" by groups affiliated with the Democratic Party.

The Democrats believe that the reason for their late close was an unusually intense and effective get-out-the-vote effort, and there is evidence that Rove agrees. Ten days after the election, Morton Blackwell, a former national executive director of the College Republicans, who had been out of touch with Rove for years, picked up the phone and heard that familiar booming voice on the other end of the line: "Morton, how does it feel to have advocated something for decades and have it come true?" What Blackwell had been advocating for decades, ever since he trained the teen-age Karl Rove to be a field organizer, was that people in politics should pay less attention to consultants, television advertising, polls, and "message," and more attention to the old-fashioned side of the business: registering voters, organizing volunteers, making face-to face contact during the last days of A campaign, and getting people to the polls on Election Day. Soon, Rove had launched a project called the 72-Hour Task Force, which conducted scientific experiments in grassroots political organizing during the three days before Election Day in five geographically scattered races in 2001.

For Democrats who spend a good deal of their time looking for the Mark of Rove, an exciting moment came in June, 2002, when a backup computer disk was found in Lafayette Park, across from the White House, containing two PowerPoint presentations, one by Kenneth Mehlman, Rove's deputy and the White House political director, called "The 2002 Challenge," and the other by Rove himself, called "The Strategic Landscape." (Inevitably, speculation has begun over whether the Lafayette Park PowerPoint, as it has been referred to, is the Rosetta stone to the mind of Karl Rove or a piece of deliberate disinformation designed to throw the Democrats off the scent.)

Since that discovery, an even more interesting PowerPoint presentation has fallen into Democratic hands, and from there into mine. This one outlines, in ninety slides, the work of the 72-Hour Task Force. It acknowledges, much more freely than Rove does in conversation, that in the 2000 Presidential election the Democrats outperformed the final opinion-poll predictions in state after state, and attributes this to their superior organizing. In 2001, the presentation says, the Republicans conducted more than fifty separate tests, in New Jersey, Virginia, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Arkansas, often using paired venues, one for experimenting, the other as a control. The over-all finding was that grassroots efforts work, and that grassroots efforts by local volunteers work especially well.

The 2002 elections, which represented a high-water mark of Rove's career, in that he pulled off the feat of picking up seats in Congress for the party in the White House during an off-year election, were treated in the press as having turned on Rove's making all congressional races into referenda on Bush´s handling of the war on terrorism. But people in politics think it was the 72-Hour Task Force's work paying off-that is, the Republicans had moved ahead of the Democrats in last-minute organizing skills. In politics now, everybody is trying to figure out twenty-first-century means of achieving the nineteenth-century goal of establishing face-to-face relationships between political parties and voters. Turnout, which was falling for decades, is now rising slightly. Television advertising has reached the saturation point. (Rove said that voters have become so media-aware that television advertising is losing effectiveness: "I can remember focus groups in 2000 where you thought you had a room full of directors. People were talking about the production values of the spot.")

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http://bnfp.org/neighborhood/Lemann_Rove_NYM.htm
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