Practicing for when Kerry wins the nomination...

[AmyStrange]

Oh my Goddess, I listened to Kerry today and everything he said made perfect sense, and I agree with every word of it. Oh my Goddess, he is like a God to me - so perfect in every way. His droning voice is like music to my ears. How could he possible lose to that lying criminal Bush. Why are they even bothering to hold an election? I think they should just swear him in right now.

And chosing Dukakis as his running mate - that's just pure genius.






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[Dookus]

1. aww

the poor put-upon Kerry haters. I know it must be incomprehensible to some why a site dedicated to helping the Democrats object to people who constantly tear down the likely Democratic nominee with slurs, smears, lies, innuendo and bad logic. But to most of us, it makes sense.

[XanaDUer]

2. Skull & Bones!

Skull & Bones!Skull & Bones!Skull & Bones! Skull & Bones!

[MurikanDemocrat]

7. You called? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

[Protagoras]

68. Boner or Numbnuts

decisions decisions :P

[AmyStrange]

10. Until he loses in Nov to Bush...

voting for Kerry now (unless he picks Edwards as his VP) is the same as voting for Bush in November. You will see I am right in November. Of course, they'll probably just blame it on Nader or Dean or anyone or anything so they don't have to face the real problem,

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[Dookus]

16. I know

it would please you to no end to see Kerry lose. However, despite a thousand claims, nobody has once showed me a single piece of evidence indicating that Kerry is not the strongest candidate to beat Bush. Perhaps you'd like to try.

Kerry and Edwards are the ONLY candidates to have ever been shown ahead of Bush in the polls, and Kerry has done it more consistently and with a higher margin. Kerry is the ONLY candidate to win more than one primary.

What evidence is there that Dean, or Kucinich, or Sharpton, or anybody else would do better against Bush in November?

And "cuz I say so" isn't evidence.

[AmyStrange]

25. It would not please me...

I WANT to be proven wrong, all my sources say unless Kerry picks Edwards as his VP, he is going to lose to Bush in November which will mean a vote for Kerry now is a vote for Bush in November - you'll see I'm right in November,

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[WilliamPitt]

26. All your sources?

Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee...

[Zomby Woof]

27. I wonder...

Were those the same sources another DUer (I won't name names) cited when he predicted that Dean would win New Mexico?

They were "reliable sources", my favorite DU flavor! :bounce:

[WilliamPitt]

31. I heard lots of people had sources

that said Dean would win Wisconsin.

:)

[Zomby Woof]

34. if sources were horses...

No wait... *steps in the wrong bucket in the stable* :o

[AmyStrange]

33. he did pretty good in New Mexico...

won some delegates. I wasn't totally wrong,

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Dave

[WilliamPitt]

35. If you said he would win New Mexico

you were, indeed, totally wrong.

[AmyStrange]

39. he won delegates...

I was not totally wrong,

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Dave

[WilliamPitt]

41. He did not win New Mexico

If you said he would win New Mexico, you were wrong. If you said he would win delegates, you were right. You said, I understand, that he would win New Mexico. You were wrong.

[AmyStrange]

42. He still did real well in New Mexico...

He didn't get the most votes, but he did win some delegates (and placed second) so I was not totally wrong.

If you think I said he would get the most votes in New Mexico, then you are right and I was wrong,

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[bornskeptic]

47. Wrong again. He placed third.

Kerry 42%
Clark 21%
Dean 16%

http://www8.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/states/NM/

[WilliamPitt]

49. But he got some delegates!

:eyes:

[AmyStrange]

54. Isn't that the name of the game?

getting delegates? He is still in third place with 185 delegates to Edwards 199 to Kerry's 663. At this point he has as much chance as Edwards.

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Dave

[The Magistrate]

56. That Is Not How It Works, Mr. Strange

My sincere advice to you is to avoid at all cost amusements that blend chance and skill and involve exchange of monies....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[AmyStrange]

58. Don't worry...

I don't gamble,

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Dave

[The Magistrate]

64. But You Predict Elections, Sir

The process is similar, and if you are any good at it, odds can be got....

"The future is hard to predict, on account of it hasn't happened yet."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[AmyStrange]

65. You are right...

I do predict, but that is not the same thing as gambling. Every election since 1976 I got a sense of who was goingto win and I have never been wrong.

Of course I can say that now, but the best arguement I can make is that you will see in November I am right and it is not because I am making a hissy fit about Dean not making it. I was actually surprised he made it as far as he did. The only way Dean could have beaten Bush was during the debates. He would have kicked his ass and everyone here knows it,

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[The Magistrate]

66. No One Here Knows That, Sir

Some devoutly believe it, others do not think it likely at all. My own view falls within the latter camp; Gov. Dean showed he could be goaded, and bullies are generally good at triggering that.

Prediction is really gambling, when done piublicly; reputation, not money, is the stake, but the thing is in all particulars the same. What you are saying is that you sense the criminals of the '00 Coup will triumph in the election, and many do not agree with that belief, who have their own understanding of political matters and trends. This is all very different, of course, from the original claim that "your sources" told you of this likely outcome....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[kiahzero]

116. I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/scorecard/index.html
Total Delegates:
Edwards: 214
Dean: 179

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/scorecard/unpledged.html
Unpledged Delegates (the ones that already jumping ship from Dean, since he's out)
Edwards: 39
Dean: 73

Delegates earned from primaries and caucuses:
Edwards: 175
Dean: 106

Oh yeah, Dean has a huge chance. It should be noted that these Superdelegates are the DNC elites, the people that some Dean supporters spent most of the primary season bashing. With all of that "insider" support, you can certainly see he was the "outsider" candidate, alright.

[AmyStrange]

117. According to this link...

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/interactives/primaries_swf/delegates_small.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS

It's Dean 184, Edwards 199.

But your source has more detail than mine, so I actually like your source better than mine as far as explaining the delegate count in greater detail. Thanx for the link,

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Dave

[Meshuga]

120. This whole exchange is hilarious!

You guys made my day! :-)

Can't you see that this person is never wrong?

[AmyStrange]

121. I am constantly wrong...

but we shall see how wrong I am this time around in November...

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[AmyStrange]

53. You're right... I apologize...

That's still a good third though. 16K+ votes. I'll admit when I'm wrong, but I'm not wrong about November and you'll see than that I am right that a vote for Kerry now is a vote for Bush in November unless Kerry picks Edwards as his VP,

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Dave

[Zomby Woof]

37. it wasn't your prediction

If it were, I would have addressed you by name. I was speaking of someone else who bragged Dean was a sure thing, due to "sources".

Dean lost NM, and the prediction by this person was that he would win in a landslide. Doing "well" wasn't enough, now was it?

We also had someone citing "independent swing voters" helping Dean win NH. Where the hell did they go??

[XanaDUer]

72. Dean OWNED NH, remember?

Due to some bumper stickers.

;)

[Zomby Woof]

73. *snork!*

Ah yes, the scientific study of bumper stickers. *spews coffee on monitor*

[AmyStrange]

76. Are these the same polls that now say...

Kerry or Edwards will beat Bush in November? I hope that's not what everyone is basing their logic on that Kerry is electable,

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Dave

[Zomby Woof]

84. not a poll at all

It was a DUer who said she spotted a lot of Dean stickers in NH, and that was her basis for predicting his victory. Also predicted the "independent swing voters" would pull through for Dean.

So, no, it wasn't those polls at all. Thanks for a desperate grasp at reality though. It was one of your own.

[AmyStrange]

88. You're point being?

that the polls predicting Dean would win NH were wrong, but the polls today predicting Kerry or Edwards will beat Bush are right?

I don't consider any poll as a worthwhile source for any kind of prediction as to what will eventually happen in November,

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Dave

[Zomby Woof]

123. I wasn't talking about a fucking poll

Can you read? I said ONE OF YOUR OWN PEOPLE. A DUer, a Dean supporter, said those things, and like you, is wrong about everything predicted.

This isn't about polls, which incidentally, ARE more accurate than you, that other DUer, and other Dean supporters.

Jesus Fucking Christ, I think you are being purposely obtuse. I should drag out that thread where you admitted to being a registered Republican before you left DU in a huff.

[AmyStrange]

126. Take a freakin' chill pill buddy...

geeez what is your prob? Since this is MY thread (not yours) I get to talk about whatever I want. You don't like it. Don't participate in my threads. I have heard you say that many times on many of the threads you've started in the DU Lounge the last couple years.

Yes please drag out that "Republican" thread. I have nothing to hide.

Talking about leaving places in a huff. I always took your side when many of the Seattle DUers didn't like you. Now I'm beginning to wonder if they were right. I don't want to think that way, because I always thought you were a damn funny person,

Dave

[Tim_in_HK]

101. Don't discount the Magic 8 ball . . .

"My sources say yes"

[Dookus]

29. umm...

are these sources here now? Can you see them? Can they tell me if my grandma made it to heaven?

[WilliamPitt]

32. "Can they tell me if my grandma made it to heaven?"

lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol

[AmyStrange]

36. which grandma? (n/T)

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[Dookus]

51. If your sources are as

psychic as you say, they'll know which one.

Check on my cat, Scooter, too, would ya? He was a real bastard. I fear the worst.

[WilliamPitt]

52. Dookus, you're killing me

:)

[AmyStrange]

57. one is...

the other is still alive,

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Dave

[Dookus]

59. wrong

One grandmother died in the 1940's. The other in 1970.

Now what about Scooter? Is he coughing hairballs on Satan's area rug?

[AmyStrange]

61. You are forcing me to tell you the truth...

WARNING - Please don't read if you don't want to hear the graphic truth.

I didn't want to tell you this, but why do you think they call it hell. You are virtually alive for every pain screaming second of eternity...

You make fun of death, but you have no idea what it is like,

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Dave

[Dookus]

62. No

I don't know hell first hand, but arguing with you is giving me an idea of it.

[funky_bug]

96. I've read a lot of vile stuff on DU

but this is the single, most contemptable piece of trash yet. I'm quite certain telling another poster than his deceased grandmother is burning in hell is against DU rules, as well as the rules of sanity, compassion and decency for any member of the human race.

[Dookus]

98. heheh...

I'm fine with it. If the past performance of his "sources" is any indication, I'm not too worried.

[AmyStrange]

100. Good for you...

don't let other people do your thinking for you,

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Dave

[AmyStrange]

99. They asked for the information,

I was responding to their question. If they didn't want to know an answer to a question, they shouldn't ask it. I tried not to tell them what I really thought, but they kept pushing. If you don't like it.... take it up with them.

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Dave

[Dookus]

106. lol

I asked you a question in jest. You responded incorrectly (although you had a 50/50 chance to be right). Then you came back with some lame description of hell.

You have no credibility, either in matters of electoral politics or the afterlife.

[AmyStrange]

110. We shall see in November...

how lame I am,

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Dave

[Dookus]

114. yes we shall

but given your past track record of prediction, I wouldn't be overconfident if I were you.

[AmyStrange]

115. You don't know what my past record is really...

I have picked every presidential winner since 1976. I didn't vote for every one of them that won (I vote Dem mostly), but that's another issue all together.

Of course, I have no way to prove this to you in a way that you would accept, so all I can say is... we shall see in November.

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Dave

[Dookus]

118. And

only a couple of those races were close enough that an educated guess wouldn't suffice.

And this year, right now, is probably close to a 50/50 tossup. Being right OR wrong isn't indicative of much.

[AmyStrange]

119. Good points...

It is close, but from what I've read and listened to and watched, Edwards as VP would swing it far enough to our side so Kerry will win it even if Nader runs in November. It'll still be close, but more in our favor than almost any other pick for VP - assuming that Kerry will pick a VP from the other Presidential candidates.

If he choses someone else outside the current field, THAT would change my prediction, depending upon whom he choses.

With the current field to pick from, Edwards is the only one I can see helping Kerry beat Bush. Dean won't work, or Sharpton, or Kucinich, or Gephart, or Braun (even though I love Braun so much - she was my second choice after Dean)... Clark is still iffy to me and in no way can I see a Kerry and Lieberman doing it in anyway,

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Dave

[mitchum]

124. LOL!

Bad Scooter!

[MurikanDemocrat]

40. sources. riiiight

:eyes:

[AmyStrange]

43. rolling your eyes...

won't change what happens in Nov unless Kerry picks Edwards as the VP.

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Dave

[MurikanDemocrat]

44. My Skull and Bones rep tells me otherwise.

[WilliamPitt]

45. So saith your sources

heeheeheeheeheehee...

[AmyStrange]

48. One of my sources is TruthOut.org...

amongst hundreds and hundres (if not thousands) of other sources I receive daily.

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Dave

[WilliamPitt]

50. I'll donate money to DU in your name

if you find the truthout article that backs up the claims you've made about Kerry and Edwards.

"all my sources say unless Kerry picks Edwards as his VP, he is going to lose to Bush in November" is what you said. You've also said truthout is one of your sources. Bring it.

PS, Dean came in third in New Mexico. Your non-truthout sources apparently suck ass.

[AmyStrange]

55. TruthOut.org is one of my sources...

and it is mostly skeptical of Bush which I enjoy tremendously, but if you are depending on Truthout.org as your ONLY source, of course you'll believe Kerry is a shoe in,

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Dave

[AntiCoup2K4]

60. All my sources say that 2 senators on a ticket wouldn't have a prayer

But I agree with you that Kerry will lose to Bush. He has nothing he can debate against Junior.

[AmyStrange]

63. thank you

I appreciate the support,

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Dave

[progressiverealist]

127. all your sources are belong to Rove.

[Zomby Woof]

3. it was even worse before

The Dean people posted all kinds of tripe (still do) about their messiah Howard Dean and how the rest of us should just forget about our candidates now, and get behind the inevitable Dean!

And that was before Thanksgiving, mind you, which was really out of line.

But hey, I am enjoying watching you have a hissy fit about it all.

Dean is vapor. Praise Jebus.

[Dookus]

How true...

I can only imagine if Dean were still the presumptive nominee, how his supporters would respond to attacks on him. It would be a helluva lot uglier than it is now.

[XanaDUer]

11. Blood would run...

I do remember one especially forceful poster, since banned per his own request, who basically told the rest of us to "get used" to Dean winning. Like it or not.



PS-Responding to Dookus' thread.

[Zomby Woof]

12. *shudder*

We'd be beyond any semblance of sanity, and in the throes of full-blown obnoxious smarminess.

[AmyStrange]

46. hehehehehe....

>>>The Dean people posted all kinds of tripe (still do) about their >messiah Howard Dean and how the rest of us should just forget about >our candidates now, and get behind the inevitable Dean!
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


that's exactly what the Kerry fans are doing now.

Of course when Kerry loses in Nov (unless he picks Edwards as his VP) they already have a good hissy fit lined up where they blame people like Nader and Dean and anybody else they can think of except the real problem,

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Dave

[POed_Ex_Repub]

4. I think this dead horse has been beat enough already

No one is forcing you to be here.

[MurikanDemocrat]

5. Good thing you have the freedom to do something else with your time

then. Whew! You poor thang!

[RichM]

6. With a bit more practise, you'll be ready!

You've got the basics down pat. The only problem is that it sounds a little forced, as if you're mouthing the words, but aren't fully convinced. Try to work on projecting enthusiasm and conviction. Also, that was a little slip-up using the word "droning." (Don't worry - nobody noticed.) ;-)

[Zomby Woof]

8. just substitute "Kerry" with "Dean"

And he parodied Deanborgs from December or so.

[XanaDUer]

13. Yes, that's the irony.

Hmmmm.

[AmyStrange]

23. works both ways...

you're right. Just substitute "Kerry" for "Dean" or just keep it "Kerry"... works both ways,

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Dave

[AmyStrange]

18. I will work on that...

I don't want to miss the DU celebration when the inevitable coronation of Kerry goes down next January,

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Dave

[WilliamPitt]

9. Actually, victim, it'll be more like this

"OK, folks, there's a Democrat in the White House. We managed to remove the most criminal pack of bastards in the history of government, and Kerry is now what we have to work with. Let's make sure, every day, that he keeps the promises we agree with. Let's make sure to push him hard and ugly on the stuff he's doing wrong. Let's make him fear us, so we can move him. While we're at it, let's work on getting him a Democratic Congress. So, what are you doing tomorrow?"

That's what I'll be saying. I'll also be calling anyone who is angry that a Democrat is in the White House a useless wrecker, an enemy of progress, a fool, and a waste of carbon, but we'll leave that for later.

[Zomby Woof]

14. *sssssssssssss*

:-)

[AmyStrange]

15. I hope you are right....

but we shall see who is really right in November. Everything else is just bluster,


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Dave

[Dookus]

17. Does anybody else

think that some people would much rather see Kerry lose just so they can say "neener-neener"?

[WilliamPitt]

19. *raising hand*

[POed_Ex_Repub]

22. *Raising hand also* n/t

[XanaDUer]

21. Yup.

But that is their problem. The rest of us have to work together to straighten out this mess that four years of * have wreaked upon our country and the world.

[MurikanDemocrat]

38. *raising hand*

not only that, they are going to insist that *someone* (ahem!) who couldn't win a single primary with Democrats voting was the ONLY one who COULD have beaten Bush.:eyes:

That's really what they want. ;-)

[Zomby Woof]

20. bluster, eh?

Like your moronic post above?

You don't care so much about being right as you do wanting to misdirect your anger because Dean was a loser. It's all about being denied your way, and "being right" will validate your feelings of inadequacy because you tied your hopes and dreams to that no-necked con man from Vermont.

[XanaDUer]

24. Right. Why the hell is it OUR fault they chose Dean?

And, in the normal (Skull & Bones) process of democracy (Skull & Bones), Dean was found to not be strong enough (Skull & Bones) to win.

:shrug:

[AmyStrange]

28. If you say so...

But we will see in November who is right.

By the way Woof, how ya been? Hope you are doing ok since you moved out of you Seattle. Things haven't been the same some how,

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Dave

[onehandle]

30. What if Kerry wins by a Landslide?

Won't we all regret not supporting someone more librul than 95% librul Kerry?

:+

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

67. Hi Dave

Feeling good today? :hi:

[AmyStrange]

69. sigh...

I've had better days... hehehehe

[AmyStrange]

70. Some advice...

I suggest you read the "letters to the editor" pages of your local liberal newspaper, and if you get a chance, read some of the stuff they write to the Seattle-PI against Kerry:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/letters.asp

Seattle is mostly liberal (and the Seattle-PI is more lib than the seattle times which endorsed Bush in 2000), but the conservatives are slowly taking over. You can see it in our Conservative Radio and even our liberal radio stations (KIRO where I used to listen to Mike Webb and I assume he is still there) are starting to swing right.

Another thing to remember is that the Seattle Times is trying to shut the PI down by getting out of the JOA (Joint Operating Agreement) which would be the same thing as shutting down the PI.

Now what do you think that says about the rest of the country when one of it's most liberal areas begins to swing right.

They are even planning on running a repug in the Governor's race this Nov and the underlying rumour is that he has a better than good chance of winning - the last time WA had a repug as Gov was back in the late sixties or seventies - IIRC.

With all that and hundreds and hundreds (if not thousands) of other sources saying the same thing, I believe a vote for Kerry now is a vote for Bush in Nov unless Kerry picks Edwards as his running mate,



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[Zomby Woof]

74. Seattle isn't America

Hell help us if we all base our reality on the collective wisdom of The City Of Nagging Drizzle.

Seattle isn't as liberal as it professes to be, as it became more apparent in my rear-view mirror. Just another parochial, smug, small-minded burg with pretensions to major-league status.

[AmyStrange]

75. But it is one part of America...

and in order to get a sense of what's going on nationally you have to look at ALL parts of America.

Seattle is just one of my many hundreds and hundreds of thousands of different and wide ranging sources I read up on, listen to, and watch on TV.

You're right, Seattle isn't as liberal as everyone thinks, but it is a whole lot more liberal than the rest of Washington state.

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[Capn Sunshine]

105. One way to stop that

vote Andy Stephenson for Secretary of State.

http://www.andystephenson.com/

[AmyStrange]

111. I will check Andy out...

thanx for the info,

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Dave

[Hav]

71. ..

That reminds me of "sources" that told Drudge about the Kerry affair.
And "sources" told Bush about the WMDs, "sources" talked about WMDs ready to launch in 45 mins.
Just because your "sources" tell you something doesn't mean it is inevitably true.There is still an election.

With all that talking about "my sources told me" you do not only sound almost like a nutcase but it also appears as if you let all your "sources" do the thinking for you.
I think you put too much trust in your personal selective use of information of your "sources".

[AmyStrange]

77. We shall see in November...

what sources are you using to decide I am wrong or a nutcase?

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Dave

[Hav]

78. your posts

And I didn't say you are wrong.I can't do that because there is no respectable source that can say with 100% certainty who will win in November. That is something you should consider as well.

[AmyStrange]

79. I am trying...

to keep an open mind, but after listening, reading, and watching months and months and months of sources, everything tips towards Bush. I am desperately trying to find something (anything really) that tips it back to Kerry, but the only thing that does that is if Edwards is his VP,

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Dave

[Hav]

82. ok

It's good that you really try to inform yourself. The problem several people in this thread had though (I believe) was that you believed the information you got from your sources leading to a predictable and unchangeable outcome.
Nevertheless, I apologise for the useless insult and I would delete that passgae if I could still edit my former post.

[AmyStrange]

85. No prob...

I'm used to it as I'm sure you can see. The problem with the people who have a problem with my prediction is that they are also assuming that their prediction (that Kerry will beat Bush) is a predictable and unchangeable outcome.

My question is, why is my prediction not any more right than theirs?

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Dave

[funky_bug]

97. Your own words

Anyone who predicts another's grandmother is burning in hell, is automatically qualified as a nutcase in my book.

[AmyStrange]

102. I never said she was burning in hell...

that's your own spin on what I said. I did not predict nothing. I merely responded to whether my "psychic" sources would tell them whether their grandmother was in heaven. One is and the other is still alive.

If you want to interpret that as burning in hell. I'm not the one making that prediction. You are,

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Dave

(EDIT: you're = your)

[funky_bug]

103. Since both are dead, and one is in heaven, then your words...

"I didn't want to tell you this, but why do you think they call it hell. You are virtually alive for every pain screaming second of eternity..."

are referring to the other one?

Short term memory loss must go hand in hand with insanity.

[AmyStrange]

104. How does that...

refer to the other grandmother burning in hell? And of course you are assuming they are telling the truth about both their grandmas being dead. They may think they were both his grandma, but what if they are adopted and their "real" grandma is really still alive...

If you want to believe in hell and heaven as places that exist only after we die - that's your problem.

Personally, I don't believe in hell. I personally believe that hell is what we go through while alive,

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Dave

[Dookus]

107. both my grandmothers are dead

very very dead. For decades now.

Your sources were wrong, yet again.

One of my grandmothers is not alive, and Howard Dean didn't win New Mexico.

[AmyStrange]

112. Actually...

you're the one who thinks my sources are spirits from the spirit world.

If you want to play funny games with things like death and heaven and hell, then that's a problem you're going to have to deal with.

As far as my "real" sources are concerned, mine says Kerry will only win in November if he picks Edwards as his VP, and obviously your sources say he will win no matter who he picks.

We will see in November who's sources are correct,

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[funky_bug]

108. Why ask me questions?

Ask your sources. After all, I might be lying in my responses to you.

[AmyStrange]

113. That's true (n/t)

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(EDITED: That;'s - that's)

[Faygo Kid]

80. I respect the Dean/Kucinich supporters' disappointment. Not this one.

Sorry about your bitterness. I thought this was juvenile, with all due respect. I might have written something similar after Gene McCarthy didn't get the nomination in 1968, but we all have to grow up sometime. We ended up with Nixon. Now you will end up with a second term of George W. Bush. What the heck was this post all about? Persuasion? Thoughtfulness? Nuance? Commitment? Childish.

[AmyStrange]

81. My post was a question...

Is this how the DU is going to end up being like when Kerry wins the nom? I hope not. I don't want to be just a happy clueless Kerry supporter. I want to be able to criticize and debate things he says and does. What is wrong with that?

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[Faygo Kid]

87. ???? Who is stopping you?

Just remember, reasonable people can disagree reasonably. Don't demonize those of us who disagree with you. I will work for and vote for Kerry; that's my decision, and it is entitled to just as much respect as you demand for yours.

[AmyStrange]

89. Nobody is stopping me now...

but I hope my scenario isn't what the DU eventually becomes after Kerry gets the nom. That was the point of my post,

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[fishnfla]

86. Answer:

Bluster. The poster has signified that until Nov, when he will without a doubt be proven "right", everything contrarian is just bluster.

[AmyStrange]

90. I did not say...

everything contrary to my opinion is bluster.

I said:

"I hope you are right....

but we shall see who is really right in November. EVERYTHING else is just bluster,"


Everything else (including my prediction) is just bluster,

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Dave

[BruinAlum]

83. I think you should whine about it some more instead

[AmyStrange]

91. Whine about what?

I don't want the DU to turn into one big cheerleading squad which will turn a blind eye to Kerry's faults and weaknesses. In order to shore up support for Kerry and counteract possible timebombs the other side is going to bring up and gleefully drop on Kerry, we need to be able to constructively criticize and discuss countering actions.

If we are not allowed to criticize and debate these things after Kerry is the nom, all we will end up with is a forum of Happy Kerry post like the one I started this whole thread with.

How will that help us beat Bush?


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Dave

(EDITED: unfinished sentences and other thoughts)

[BruinAlum]

92. No, you're whining

[AmyStrange]

94. If you say so...

but if that is true, then you're whining about my whining and that's not how I see it. I consider your post a critique of my post which was a critique of how I fear the DU will end up becoming. I don't want that to happen,

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Dave

[Faygo Kid]

93. Yes, your initial post was certainly thoughtful criticism. Thanks.

More high flown debate like that is necessary, no question. You have made your point.

[AmyStrange]

95. Actually...

it was more like satire (which is still allowed I believe), but to each his own...

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[MAlibdem]

109. He can't choose Dukakis

They're from the same state, I don't believe that's kosher (i may be wrong, i think it's unconstitutional).

[AmyStrange]

122. Where in the constitution does it say that? (n/t)

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[foo_bar]

128. the 12th amendment

"The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; ..."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxii.html

[AmyStrange]

130. thanx... good to know (n/t)

[West Coast Democrat]

125. I've posted it once....I'll post it again.

I like John Kerry. I can't find much of anything that would keep me from getting strongly behind him going forward.

Also....I've been around DU since the very beginning. Funny, I didn't realize that DU was just about bashing Democrats.

I guess I'm also not hip because I've never once threatened to vote for Nader nor have I posted a list of demands and stipulations in return for promising to vote for the Democratic candidate.

[Khephra]

129. Hold on...let me practice

yay

[janx]

131. My turn:

hooray.


We might need some more practice.

[janx]

132. Wait a minute. Are we going to be able to stay AWAKE

long enough to enact what we are practicing?