If the Clintons go the 527 route and/or play the super delegate game to secure the nomination. . .

[wndycty]

. . .they should write off by the Black vote.

After doubting that white folks would support a Black candidate, our community is finally starting to come around and believe that it may actually happen. If Hillary is able to secure the nomination by using 527's to go negative or by running the super delegate game they run the risk of doing the unthinkable, alienating the Black vote.

While both 527's and the super delegate strategy are within the rules they will be viewed as under handed and their will be a serious backlash in the community. Bill and Hillary still remain popular in the Black community and if she wins the nomination straight up (w/o 527s or super delegates) she will be supported. Black folks are actually starting to believe, if the Clintons end up pulling off some dirty shit to win the nomination there will be a backlash.

[Bullet1987]

1. I think there will be backlash with Dem voters PERIOD

Especially if he hypothetically goes 4-0.

[aquart]

2. Thanks for the threat.

[wndycty]

3. Call it what you want. . .

. . .but if the Clinton's, who are very popular in the Black community, use under handed tactics to defeat the first African American with a legitimate shot at the presidency there will be a mutiny.

[onenote]

8. with regard to superdelegates: what constitutes an "underhanded" tactic

And do you honestly think that Obama and/or Edwards are not trying to get the support of superdelegates?

[wndycty]

14. If the "popular vote" favors Obama, Clinton using the super delegates

to block his nomination would be viewed as underhanded. Sort of like Bush in 2000

[onenote]

20. again, how are you measuring the "popular vote"

overall, or state by state?

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but after tonight, I think all assumptions about anything are off.

[goldcanyonaz]

4. Write off the black vote? We don't ride on one big "black community" bus to the election.

Or, didn't you know that?

[wndycty]

11. You are right we don't ride one big bus, however enough of us. . .

. . .will hop off the bus to cause them problems. If you want to continue to support the Clintons if they pull that shit go right ahead.

[onenote]

5. describe the scenario in which HRC plays the superdelegate "game" to win the nomination

For example, if neither HRC nor Obama (or Edwards for that matter) can secure enough votes to win the nomination through the primary process, the votes to push one candidate over the top are going to have to come from somewhere. What is wrong with pursusing superdelegates? Should Obama not pursue them? Is it any better or worse for one candidate to "make a deal" with another candidate to get their support (and the support of their delegates)?

Someone has to come out on top and delegates -- both superdelegates and those supporting other candidates -- are fair game.

[KennedyGuy]

6. Sooo this means Obama will repudiate any 527's

that act for him and will not seek superdelagates?
If he does..will this alienate white voters or the women vote?

[killbotfactory]

10. Obama already has repudiated a 527 that was seeking to work on his behalf.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2007/08/28/pro-obama-527-defends-itself-from-obama/

[KennedyGuy]

12. kudos to him for that

[RoadRage]

16. See.. it's crap like this

that cause people to think he's "OPEN & HONEST" and that his visions of doing things "Differently" in Washington..

Might
Actually
Be
TRUE!

Obama 08!

[Bucky]

7. a caveat on the "super delegate game"

There is an upside to the fundamental spinelessness of our Democratic leadership. If the primaries produce a clear popular favorite--as they always do--the party's national leadership would have to be suicidal to stand in the way of a tidal wave of support and broker a convention to a second place finisher. Given even a modicum of political pressure, our fat cats will bend with the breeze before taking a stand for someone they think is more qualified to be president... assuming that was even the real reason they picked their candidate.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. Ain't that the truth. One state has voted and they're bailing like rats from a sinking ship already

As you say, they're spineless, but not dumb.

[rucky]

9. She should write off the voter vote....

If she only wins because of superdelegates.

[Bitwit1234]

15. What in the hell is wrong with you people....of course she should

use the super delegate, or any type of vote she gets. You want people to be so damn stupid and ignorant to believe that if Obama or Edwards had all those votes sewed up they wouldn't use them. That they would ignore them or give them away...Bull with a capital BBBBB

We're not kids, we know damn well they would....

[Skip Intro]

17. What's color got to do with it? If they operate within the rules, I say let them have at it.

[wndycty]

19. Go right ahead, but its those very rules that turn people off of politics. . .

. . .and keeps them home on election day. The Clintons can do whatever they want to legally, but just because its legal does not make it right and furthermore this is the type of thing that turns people off of politics.

[no name no slogan]

18. They can't win on Superdelegates alone

They'll still need to get at least a plurality of the regular delegates to win. Which means at least 30-40%.