Wow, former Pres Clinton is sounding like an angry old man:

[EV_Ares]

He is complaining about the treatment Hillary got in the debates in comparison to the treatment Obama got. Dem strategist said they better try to figure out why things are happening the way they are and fix them instead of complaining about the process.

Contributions are drying up, a lot of contributors are maxed out they are telling Clinton. Talk about bringing others on board like Carville, etc. Carville says it isn't true but others have said it is so at least we know there are going to be changes in her campaign.

Is he helping Hillary or hurting her with his attack dog tactics?

[abluelady]

1. It's About Time Dems Fight Back

I am so sick of listening to the republican pundits put Dems down when they react to the shit that is spewed on them. I don't care if it's Hillary or John Kerry. Enough is enough. Personally, I liked hearing him sound angry.

[Skidmore]

15. I'm enjoying the fact that the people are fighting back against the

deadwood in both parties. The people aren't going to take crap any longer. I could care less what Hillary and Bill Clinton does with that information.

[LakeSamish706]

2. Hillary is probably busting his chops big time cause she is not doing as well...

as she expected, and we all know that shit runs down hill...

[laureloak]

3. There's nothing unreasonable about his comments.

The unfair treatment is unreasonable. And what's wrong with being old anyway?

[Bicoastal]

4. Please tell me what the difference is between Clinton in 92 and Obama in 08.

Clinton is basically fighting a younger version of himself. He's not going to win this.

[EV_Ares]

6. You are right and complaining about it isn't going to do any good either.

Like the Dem expert was saying they would be better off trying to fix what is wrong with their compaign instead of complaining about everything which isn't looking good to anyone.

[jackson_dem]

10. Clinton had a substantive agenda

He also had a decade-plus of experience as governor.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. So answer the question.

Obama's got a substantive agenda, and a decade long experience in state and U.S. Senate.

So what's the difference?

[Rageneau]

24. Clinton had 10 years experience as governor and was twice head of the US Governors' conference.

Obama is a first-term senator who defeated Alan Keyes to win his seat.

[Jane Austin]

5. They were both emotionally wounded during the nineties

by the brutality of the attacks of the reich wing.

I wish they'd taken his popularity on to her successful Senate service and his world-wide philanthropic efforts and not opened themselves up to this degrading process.

It is hard to watch.

[hedgehog]

9. C'mon, you have to admit that Bill's wounds were largely self-inflicted!

[Jane Austin]

29. No, I don't, because I am talking about the early years of his Presidency.

I'll never forget how relieved and happy I was when he was elected.

It had been a long 12 years of turgid Republicanism, preceded by four years of Carter-bashing.

But the Rethuglicans started in on him the first day. By April, I couldn't even listen to the news.

I remember visiting my sister-in-law outside DC for a week in May, and we had long talks at the kitchen table about how awful a first few months it had been.

No matter what Clinton did, he was attacked on all sides by Gingrich and Company. It was non-stop Clinton, Democrat and Liberal bashing.

The later stuff with Monica Lewinski was certainly self-inflicted and I didn't even believe it at first because I couldn't imagine he could do something that self-destructive.

From time to time I'll hear about news events that happened in Clinton's second term and I don't remember them at all. I think I'd quit watching and listening to all news by then, because I couldn't bear to hear 1) the derailing of the Clinton Presidency and 2) more information than a Southern lady needed to hear about the private business and private parts of Bill Clinton.

But . . . the intentional wounding of the Clintons by the reich wing started even before they came to Washington.

[Double T]

7. You'd have to be deaf, blind and 'dumb' not to see and know what the........

RW neocon owned and operated MSM is up to. Choice is either kick their butt or lose.

[goldcanyonaz]

8. Cool, another thread to trash our last Democratic President.

This forum is like a Freepers wet dream,

[hedgehog]

12. In my mind, there is some question as to whether any DLC'r is

really a Democrat or a DINO.

[paulk]

18. your tiny little mind

yeah, the Clinton years sure sucked for Democrats. Eight years surrounded by 20 years of right wing rule. Hard times, huh?

[EV_Ares]

23. For info to put in that tiny little mind of yours, this is 2008 and people don't

want the same old people back running the party. The DLC has done enough screwups and damage. Time for a changing of the guard and the crowds are showing that.

[paulk]

28. why don't you wait until all the votes are counted?

including the ones coming in November...

btw - would you care to point out where Obama's positions differ all that much from the DLC's? It seems I remember countless threads on here castigating him for the centrist positions (and votes, when he bothered to actually cast one) he took or made - that ran counter to his image as a liberal.

Maybe he only does that sort of thing when he's running for office? Paint himself as an outsider, you know, on the left hand side of the party?

Also btw - all those crowds... you mean all those independents? The one's voting to nominate our party's candidate? The one's who put Obama over the top in Iowa? Do you think they're voting againt the DLC? Don't you think that's a stretch?

[EV_Ares]

30. Wait untl the votes come in Nov? Appears you are the one on that,

nothing in the post about proclaiming a winner, just you being upset about the peoples' choice of candidates.

Yeah, I'll wait until November.

[paulk]

33. do you think you could try to make some sense?

I mean, it would be nice if you posted something that actually made sense....

[EV_Ares]

17. That is a bunch of bs what you said. By the way your candidate Hillary

had a fund raiser by Rupert Murdoch at his home, he is not liberal by any means.

[Whisp]

11. attack of the Big Dog.

:rofl:
I'm beginning to think he is purposely derailing Hillary's run.

[sandnsea]

13. He needs to take a long walk with his dog

He sounds like one of those old men who can't handle that his time has passed.

[MollieBradford]

16. attack dog?

no, he is talking about the media and it is the truth. I don't know if it helps right now, but what the hell. It is not as if the media is going to be fair if he just keeps his mouth shut.
The media has been atrocious to Hillary and pimping Obama. They totally manufactured this primary. Edwards and Obama went negative early and the media didn't even report it. The minute she defended herself they either accused her of playing the gender card or they called her a cry baby. When she finally went negative, and not in the personal way that Edwards and Obama did, the media acted as if she were the first to go "on the attack".

You might think this is all good now. But they will do the same to whoever gets the nomination when it comes time for the GE. Don't whine about it then if you are going to write this thread now. Then you will be glad to have someone like Clinton call the media on their shit.

[EV_Ares]

19. You mean like you are whining: Is the media responsible for all the

people turning out for Obama. Is that why the people that went to Hillary's campaign speech got pissed when they put some of them in an overflow room when there was plenty of room for them in the main room. The media didn't do that.

[MollieBradford]

32. I'm sorry

you don't get it. I find that pretty typical actually.

[RaleighNCDUer]

20. Yeah. It's so unfair that she got more speaking time in the debates

than Kucinich, Gravel, Dodd and Biden. Combined.

[EV_Ares]

26. Yeah and she attacked a kid in kindergarten about his essay, eom.

[Thrill]

21. He's not use to someone else in the party being the Rock Star

[EV_Ares]

22. Yeah this was supposed to be a cake walk for Hillary, everyone was

supposed to step back and let the old guard go back to Washington, the same old gang.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

25. he's not THAT old!

[fadedrose]

27. He kinda ticked me off

when he said that all the conspiracy theories about 911 were hogwash. I've seen too many oddities about 911 to accept that the tragedy occurred the way the govt wants us to believe. There are acres of websites and dozens of qualified people who do not believe and I have serious doubts.

Bill stop being one of my heroes when he came out with that . . . so his support of Hillary to me is meaningless.

[Nailzberg]

31. We should probably just stay off his lawn.

[bunnies]

34. lol! A perfect example of why I love DU. :o) nt

[MzShellG]

35. Lol...

I used to really admire him and defended him all through the impeachment saga. I have always liked him more than I did Hillary. When he made those comments, I found myself thinking "shut the f&%! up you old geiser". He sure has damaged his image. A black radio station in my city played the audio and their listeners and guess were very disappointed if not outraged.