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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:47 PM
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The sorry performance of Reid and Pelosi have hurt Clinton.
I haven't seen anyone else post this--so I guess I'll do it. Hillary is paying the price for the pathetic Congress that can't stand up to Bush and the Repukes in Congress. Since she is the establishment Democrat, the blame is falling on her shoulders, rightly or wrongly.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:50 PM
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1. I think you are right
The Dems were given a mandate to change the status quo in 2006. By not doing so, the electorate are looking for candidates who promise change.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:51 PM
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2. Great point.
Very good.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:51 PM
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3. I would agree. I see her name amoung theirs when I think old school dems.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:54 PM
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4. Yes. You are right. The establishment candidate gets stuck with establishment results.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:58 PM
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5. Well they all have to answer for their Congressional records
and I don't agree with how any of them voted, except Kucinich, of course.

You have to blame the ones who voted the way they did. The Iran vote, for instance. Webb, my Senator, whose son has come home from Iraq, voted against it. Clinton voted for it. Some of the other candidates didn't even show up. I think that was a crucial vote, and it shows the measure of the candidates who are in the Senate if they couldn't show up and vote against that. Look at Bush today, talking about Iran.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:03 PM
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6. and they...like Clinton
will pay the price for supporting the Bush war machine and ignoring the democratic base for the last couple of years
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:14 PM
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7. And none of them are going to
confront the evils of the current administration. They walk away with billions and we get stuck with a trashed Constitution.

I'll vote for the candidate that is willing to investigate the crimes, try the criminals and execute traitors.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:14 PM
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8. I've also thought this for a while... n/t
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 03:15 PM by Zueda
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:18 PM
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9. Clinton could have done more as a member of the Senate leadership
Jeff Bingaman, Chairman of Committee Outreach
As Chairman of Committee Outreach, Senator Bingaman will provide a voice in the Democratic leadership for Committee Chairs. Bingaman will harness the Committee Chairs' tremendous knowledge and experience, and ensure their important committee work is advanced in a united and consistent manner.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, Vice Chair of Committee Outreach
As Vice Chair of Committee Outreach, Senator Clinton will work closely with Senator Bingaman in helping to coordinate the committee work of the Democratic Caucus.

link
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gene430 Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:18 PM
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10. You nailed it
You hit this one square on the head......it's sad when you can't use your party's leaders during the elections. If you were a candidate, would you want their support...publically
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jeanruss Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:19 PM
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11. brilliant
I agree with you. Pelosi has really shown that gender doesn't ensure change. By taking impeachment off the table, she has undermined what the voters want, which is accountability. George Bush has squandered evrything from the last 15 years and Nancy wants to let him off the hook. Just because Clinton is a woman does not mean anything will chnage, and it might even get worse.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:39 PM
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12. She's been part of that failure since 2000
When has she bucked the trend of capitulation to the Rethugs? Yeah, she cast her votes in a barely tolerable direction, but where's the leadership? Where's the action?
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:49 PM
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16. The same can be said about Edwards and Obama
They all served for about the same length of Democratic majority, and they were all three about the same level of seniority at the time.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:53 PM
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18. Nope. Edwards has gotten himself together since 2004
I saw him speak in early 2005, and it was already clear that he was going through a major transformation in his thinking. My impression was that he's held these views all along, but it's taken him a while to get his message together.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:41 PM
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13. Speaking of Pelosi, has she endorsed anyone? nt
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:25 PM
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19. George Bush
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 04:34 PM by jgraz
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:44 PM
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14. The more shit we Democrats can throw at each other, the better, eh?
They love ya all over at freeperland.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:47 PM
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15. Very good point. Hillary should have some influence on Reid and Pelosi
and she has not exercised any influence to move to close Guantanamo or restore habeas corpus or stop the war funding or pass a resolution that the war is illegal or impeach or anything. Neither has Obama, I might add.
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Clanfear Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:52 PM
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17. Maybe it is on Hillary, alone.
Perhaps her message just isn't resonating with voters. Why seek others to blame?
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