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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 08:56 PM Original message |
Poll question: Should Americans who work full time be able to support themselves? |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. All by themselves, or as a group? |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. by themselves (nt) |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Then I vote no. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Anyone, Sir, Who Works A Forty Hour Week |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. I would still say no. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. What Sort Of Apartment, Sir? |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. Can't disagree with that at all, Magistrate |
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idlisambar (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 12:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
49. a note |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 12:41 AM Response to Reply #30 |
50. My Apologies, Sir |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Yes. |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. You're right...but only for the case where you can change one thing |
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prodigal_green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 11:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
92. there's a big difference |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Handed on a platter? stereo? I don't think you understand the question |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Maybe I'm not making my point clear. |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. No, I am not being clear. I am not talking about washing machines |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Expressed that way, I absolutely agree. |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. LOL no problem, I should have put a lot more in the poll text |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
53. all that talk of personal responsibility... |
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loftycity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. He doesn't get it -- .....now we know we are really in trouble... |
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loftycity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
37. He doesn't get it....now we know were in trouble...confirmation |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
74. Depends on the job, I don't think you can generalize.... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. My generalization is: is a day's labor worth a day's survival? |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Depends on your definition of survival... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Support oneself, again I should have specified "without help" |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. Of Course, Mr. Fatwa |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. There is a right good distance between Utopia and ensuring that the |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. This is arguably the best post I have ever read on this site or anywhere. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Indeed, My Friend |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. And that statement, which I do not dispute, is but one indication of |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. We Are In Decided Agreement, My Friend |
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union_maid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
8. they should |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
32. No doubt. |
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ldoolin (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yes, absolutely |
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DieboldMustDie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. The 1968 minimum wage... |
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ldoolin (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Thanks |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. And could you support yourself on $8.51 an hour today? |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. I can answer this one. |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Thanks, I should have specified that - support oneself without help |
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Codeblue (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. You can support |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I'm a little confused whether you mean she earns that today, or did in the |
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Codeblue (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 11:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
83. She makes that now |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. That's great. Rents in your area must be unusually low for such a |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
58. It all depends on where you live |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. You're right, see 44 and 46. Climate matters, too |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 11:51 AM Response to Reply #24 |
93. I would like to reexamine my original answer to this question |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 12:11 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. In urban areas, where many poor live, rents 3 or 4 times that are not rare |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 12:29 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Many things to think about |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. From your figures, & reasonable extrapolation, it is clearly not possible |
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plurality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
112. here in DC a 1 bedroom is $1,000+ |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
10. Yes, certainly. |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
14. You shouldn't even have to ask! |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
15. It's called Living Wage |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
21. I can't believe |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
25. Here's a serious question |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. The transition from agriculture to industry |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. I understood your point and I answered yes in your poll but |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Your story illustrates that the problem is systemic |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 03:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
52. Call me stupid |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:55 AM Response to Reply #38 |
114. I've thought the same for many years. |
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amazona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
56. when people moved to the Americas, I suppose |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 03:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
57. "When did extended-family housing stop being the norm?" |
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OKNancy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
62. I also think the GI Bill after WWII |
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dweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
26. Here's one way |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Your link's munged. |
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dweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. i'm sorry |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Thanks! |
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AbbeyRoad (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
35. Yes they should be able to afford the basics |
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Northwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
40. The problem |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I agree. One size will not fit all. Someone living in San Francisco |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. A proposal... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. That's a great idea! |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
67. It can and it has been |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
43. Absolutely. |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 03:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. Yeah, I USED to |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
59. What are you,some kind of commie?! |
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Columbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
60. Some questions |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I wondered about consideration for education as well. |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. No, this question is not about education, it's entirely independent of it |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Hey, did you notice that I didn't quite understand your reply |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. You are not stupid at all. I will try to explain it better |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Thanks for the explanation |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:56 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Nor is it any longer a guarantee of being able to stay housed and fed |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Your bread story was a good one. |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:36 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. To elaborate a little more on post 80 |
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MidwestMomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 12:21 AM Response to Reply #71 |
87. Sadly, nowadays, you are supposed to be grateful you still have a job |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 11:39 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. You have very succinctly explained the difference between capitalism and |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:57 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Good questions. Here are answers as they relate to my question |
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Columbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 11:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
84. Thanks for the response |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
66. Yes. |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
69. Nope, because your idea of 'supporting' |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Your experiences should be very helpful to those currently being priced |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
96. If you don't want to consider that 'supported' then don't |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 12:43 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. My suggestions to you are not at all sarcastic. Your view is a popular |
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sistersofmercy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
72. I'm really not sure how to vote on this one |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:59 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Well, the question is "should" not "do." You are correct that many people |
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sistersofmercy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:08 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Then "YES" |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. By any means necessary |
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sistersofmercy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I believe a living wage is a basic human right |
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lams712 (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
86. DUH, YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 11:41 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Actually my question was more modest. Although I agree that in an ideal |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. DuctapeFatwa, look at post #93 |
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buddhamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
97. YES ! |
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FreeSpeechCrusader (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
101. I'm trying to get as knowledgable as possible on this... |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. What would be some examples of small businesses that pay minimum wage? |
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FreeSpeechCrusader (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:24 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Most of the ones that I can think of are. |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. I've been thinking on this some more as well. |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 09:04 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Many small business owners make little more than minimum wage themselves |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
103. Some new areas to explore brought about by what I have learned from |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
104. No |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. So what is the criteria |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 08:49 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. Why not? Why should the value of a day's labor be less than the price of |
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ThirdWheelLegend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:53 AM Response to Reply #104 |
113. Yeah make my burger you uneducated fool... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 08:18 AM Response to Reply #104 |
115. Is flipping burgers NOT an honest days work??? |
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ThirdWheelLegend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
108. WOW 88% of DUers are voting for Dennis Kucinich?! |
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FreeSpeechCrusader (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. I agree wholeheartedly with DK |
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