Folks its sour grapes to say the media our picking our candidates, Obama is the real deal . . .

[wndycty]

I laugh when people say that the media is picking our candidates for us because it only comes from those whose candidate is losing. A few months ago all we heard was the Hillary was inevitable, Obama had no chance, Edwards had no chance. Now Barack is in the lead, so what is it? Does the media want Barack? Does the media want Hillary? And if Edwards moves ahead will we be saying the media wants him?

What is it?

When you see the number of folks that turning out for Obama rallies, when you see the record turn out in Iowa and possibly in New Hampshire you cannot tell me the media is picking our candidates.

Go ahead pout, stomp your feet, throw a freaking tantrum, but face it the PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING and the media are reacting. The media is not picking our candidates and whoever is saying that is just spouting sour grapes.

[progressivebydesign]

1. Obama is the "real deal"? Wow.. just because he draws crowds...

doesn't make him a GOOD president. Bush drew lots of crowds. I don't want a "rock star" I want a president.

[IADEMO2004]

6. Moonies have large crowds

but they are not my cup o tea

[DivorcingNeo]

19. What kills me is that it's the usual pompous attitudes

of some in the Democratic party that Obama would not be a good President, but you have to ask yourself why. Especially amongst Progressives, I simply don't get it. Clinton has been working the center for a while, posturing herself for the Presidency. Some are touting Obama as "one" of the most Liberal politicians in the bunch, however surprise, surprise he is appealing to Independents!

I really have no issue with people who believe another candidate addresses the issues that concern them the most. I have no issue with people who choose to vote differently from me. What I do have an issue with is the despicable under-handed personal comments that have been made about Senator Obama and his family. They hold no merit and do not speak to the issues facing the Nation.

Sure, debate and question him on policies, but the Clinton campaign cannot act indignant and "whoa is me", now, after the crap they've flung. Especially since she's technically Republican "light" based on her record.

I wish some Democrats would stop making statements that treat the electorate as if we are all mindless drones without the capacity for thoughtful informed decision making. Just because people aren't voting the way "you" would does not make them idiots.

It's that attitude that have turned many in the country against the Democrats (especially Liberals) in the past.

[bdamomma]

41. a rock star, he appears to have that way to the young people.

the young people finally need to get involved.

[AzDar]

59. Hannah Montana For President!

[Deep13]

2. How can you be sure that O is the "real deal?"

I am wondering what people are basing that on.

[1corona4u]

3. Bullshit..

pull your fucking head out. If Obama were in the weeds, you'd all be screaming bloody murder, not to mention racism. The media anointed Obama a long time ago, and we all see it.

[Big Blue Marble]

55. When exactly did the anointing take place?

Because if was prior to last Thursday, I missed it. For the last three years
all I have heard from the Media was Hillary was to be our candidate. The big
news was Iowa voters said no thanks, we will pick our own candidate.

[BigDDem]

4. He beat Alan Keyes, must be the "real deal!"

[wndycty]

15. Well he beat the shit out of Clinton in Iowa and will do it again in New Hampshire. . .

. . .so you can act like he hasn't been tested at the polls but he is facing up to the Clinton machine and beating them.

[BigDDem]

21. We have a different definition of "beat the shit out of"

Iowa delegates:

Obama 18
Clinton 16

[wndycty]

26. 9 percentage points, she got her ass handed to her and lost to Edwards as well

:kick:

[goldcanyonaz]

5. Fired up and ready to go, for Clinton!

[Skip Intro]

7. Oh please. We've been watching a media coronation of the one for the last few months.

Last time I saw this kind of treatment was the swooning they did over the current resident.

But they'll turn on Obama soon enough. Much to our party's, and our nation's detriment.

[wndycty]

16. So what was the media doing when Hillary was being called inevitable?

It seems you forget that. LOL Do you want some cheese with the whine?

[Skip Intro]

22. Wow, you guys are great at deflection. I'll give ya that. Fantasy too.

[wndycty]

34. What am I deflecting? I wasn't bitching when it was all Hillary all the time. . .

. . .give it up.

[Cameron27]

8. The media has chosen Obama,

"signed, sealed and delivered"

[flyarm]

9. oh please save it..Obama Hillary obamahillaryobamahillary..

i guess that is my imagination..for almost a damn year!

save it..its not being bought here..like some posters seem to be.

fly

[Cameron27]

13. Well I agree,

but Hillary's just used for contrast, old vs new kind of thing.

[Atman]

10. I think "the media" is as surprised as anyone that Hillary is tanking

After all, it only underscores to them their waning clout. They've jammed her "inevitability" down our throats for months now, and when she (and the media) are finally tested they fail miserably. Now they're trying to figure out what to do next. I rich white guy in politics simply isn't a story, whether or not you believe the media is trying to pick our candidate for us. The undeniable fact is, a black man as the front-runner is a HUGE story any way you slice it. Now the media will be tripping all over itself attempting to demonstrate their relevance.

.

[1corona4u]

27. I don't think they're surprised at all

they helped cause it.

[Big Blue Marble]

57. They voted in Iowa?

[flyarm]

42. not at all..it is all part of the corporate plan..wake the hell up!

and if you think Obama is going to win in my red state..get a clue!!

fly

[Atman]

62. You obviously haven't read too many of my posts!

I realize that last one sounded kind of pro-Obama, but it wasn't meant to. My point was not that any red state -- or America in general -- will vote for a black man. Sad to say, the country isn't ready. Personally, my guess is that Edwards is the old stand-by wealthy white guy who'll eventually get the nomination after the media proceeds to destroy both Hillary and Obama as if to "prove" that America is not ready for radical change. Just my gut feeling.

The point of my previous post was that the media really thought it had us snookered with their bullshit support for Hillary, and when we didn't buy it they kinda went "Wha-wha-waaaaaa?" and decided to play the Obama game. Works just as well; America won't vote for a woman, either, so either way they'll get the wealthy white guy and will be able to rest easy.

.

[Elidor]

11. Tell that to Edwards, Kucinich and Paul

Repeatedly marginalized and sometimes excluded from debates. It's naive to think the corporations that serve up what passes for news are playing fair.

[tblue37]

48. I am no Paul fan--and it freaks me out that so many progressives think he

is on our side. But I have to say that I was delighted when Jay Leno gave him a nice long segment to deliver his message last night. Leno harped on the fact that Paul is the fundraising king among the Republicans at the moment, and that he has a stronger showing in NH than Giuliani, so that excluding him from the debates is just wrong.

Then Paul pointed out that Fox News is in collusion with the administrations policies that violate the Republicans' supposed ideals, especially the Iraq war. Fox News probably lost a few real Republicans last night. I think Leno is fairly popular among older Republicans, and last night was probably the first time some of them heard such things about Fox--especially out of the mouth of a Republican.

[Sulawesi]

12. AB-SO-LUTELY

[maximusveritas]

14. Enough sour grapes in here to make a few bottles of wine

Of course you're right. And it's the same thing every election. People need to come up with excuses for why their candidate is losing and the media is always a good one.

[Cameron27]

17. It's not sour grapes,

and this is far beyond what's happened other election years. I had to stop watching MSNBC because it rapidly turned into a 24/7 Obamathon.

[maximusveritas]

23. I remember nearly identical complaints in year's past

Obama won the Iowa caucus and he's leading in the polls in NH, so it only makes sense they'd be talking about him and his momentum, just as they focused on Kerry in 2004.

And the Dean people complained about the media taking him down with the "Dean Scream" just as the Clinton people are are now complaining about the media taking her down with the "crying" episode.

[Cameron27]

35. No, this started long before Iowa,

and it's been an annointing that I've never seen happen like this, ever.

[soulcore]

20. right, that's why we had 4 debaters and the repugs had 6.

If you can't see the media manipulation, well ... I just feel sorry for you.

[wndycty]

24. Biden and Dodd, DROPPED OUT or we would have had 6!

All of the candidates had to be polling a certain amount so that is why Kucinich and Gravel weren't there. BTW had Biden and Dodd not dropped out we would have had 6. You can paint a narrative that shows a conspiracy or you can deal with facts.

[1corona4u]

28. Bullshit.

ABC had already stated that there would ONLY be the top FOUR democrats. Where were you? In a cave?

[wndycty]

30. Well if that is the case what were Dodd and Biden polling?

You can cry and curse all you want but I'm sure they based the participation in the debate on poll numbers.

[1corona4u]

32. WHAT THE FUCK

It shouldn't MATTER where someone is polling!!!! This was America, last time I checked,, and there should NOT be anyone excluded from ANY debate, regardless of their polling. They were STILL candidates in this race, when the DECISION WAS MADE.

Like I said, pull your fucking head out.

DO WE, OR DO WE NOT, LIVE IN A GOD DAMN DEMOCRACY???

[wndycty]

33. I belive every candidate had to be at least at 10%. . .

Keep crying and keep cursing.

[1corona4u]

36. You need to get a fucking clue.

Like I said, if this was happening to Obama, you'd be screaming bloody fucking murder, as well as racism. That, I'd put money on.

[redqueen]

39. Ah, charming as ever, I see...

:rofl:

[1corona4u]

40. Yeah, well get use to it.

I have nothing stopping me now.

[redqueen]

43. But but but...

you might scare some poor, senstive troll away! They can't take all the rough language! :P


(that's in reference to a big "You guys are immature! I'm leaving!" grand exit post from last night) :hi:

[wndycty]

44. No worries, I can take the rough language and I can dish it out as well. . .

. . .its a great crutch for those who have no leg to stand on with their bullshit arguments.

[redqueen]

46. Sorry... didn't mean to intrude...

1corona and I have had our dustups... just my bizarro way of saying hello. :hi:


And yeah... but bullshit arguments are so much easier to engage in! Anyone at all can step right up to the table and let fly, with nary a clue in sight.

[1corona4u]

47. And what's your stupid argument?

hope? LOL...

[balantz]

18. Obama's the "Real Deal" alright.

A deal made up by the corporatocracy! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2624873&mesg_id=2624873

[MollieBradford]

25. not really accurate

the media can drive crowds to a candidate. He has not been vetted by the media. I find him without substance and experience. Just remember, as quickly as people jump on a bandwagon they can jump back off. I hope they do. But if not, we have a bad candidate and a mediocre president. He is not John Kennedy or MLK. That is my opinion. Yours is different, but I have never said Obama didn't have a chance. I have always said Edwards never had a chance and I believe I was right about that.

If you can not see what the media has been doing I think you need to wake up to reality. manipulation and swiftboating is what they do and they can do it to Obama too and I think they will.

[readmoreoften]

29. Right like it was "sour grapes" that we lost the election in 2004. Our media's completely controlled

[1corona4u]

31. Perhaps you missed THIS video

or you chose to ignore it;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK7DRPyNAHA

[redqueen]

37. It's not sour grapes. They clearly have a very big role in the process.

Corporations spend whatever ungodly amount they spend on advertising each year not because they like advertising firms, but because it works.

[jenmito]

38. 5th R! I can't believe nobody seems to remember the MSM calling his every move a "rookie mistake"

even though he was RIGHT. HIS "rookie mistakes" were things he still says today (re: striking within Pakistan if Musharraf won't cooperate to get bin Laden, for example).

[flvegan]

45. Crap like this only comes from those whose candidate is winning.

How ironic.

The msm did it to us last go around, and they're doing it again. Big surprise.

[robbedvoter]

49. I agree that Obama deserves his voters - unlike say, Kerry in 2004 - where

people fundamentally disagreing with his stands were dragged kicking and screaming into a pro-war ticket - because MSM crowned Kerry.
It still needs to be said that the complete silencing of the real progressives like Gravel and Kucinich are factors this time around as well.

[wndycty]

51. Dude Kucinich didn't even stage a campaign in Iowa. . .

. . .I'm all for folks like Kucinich but you can't put forth a half ass campaign and then be upset when no one pays attention.

[killbotfactory]

61. I don't think Kucinich or Gravel are a threat to Obama's support

Call it a gut feeling if you must.

[Occam Bandage]

50. Absolutely. When I first joined, it was "The MSM picked Hillary!" Now it's "The MSM picked Obama."

Just pathetic.

[vee]

52. Establishment Candidates

are making a HUGE mistake, in thinking that the media will shape this election.
The media is ineffective at "sound biting" a internet surfing electorate.

This is not the 90's. The republicans are making this mistake also, with their guitar toting huckabee.

Clinton's emotional incident would have played well in the 3 second sound bite atmosphere of yesteryear,
but we can now see these types of media plays in their entirety, as well as put them in historical perspective with the
help of any search engine.

Like it or not Obama seems to be the only candidate that understands this election won't be televised, it will be surfed.
A candidacy must be upfront and able to withstand the scrutiny of the search engine. You have to be supremely honest or risk being viewed as
a contrived puppet.

[wndycty]

53. And when you have the turnouts at rallies that he does and the viral marketing of the internet. . .

. . .you can go a long way without media support. I'm not ignoring the fact that he is a media darling but the excitement that the media is feeding off was created at the grassroots level.

[Triana]

54. Bull. The statistics show otherwise. The media IS IGNORING EDWARDS and deliberately so

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/5/12286/27650/142/431084

[vee]

56. Here's where people get their info

Google Trends Comparative search for Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards

http://www.google.com/trends?q=hillary+clinton%2C+barack+obama%2C+john+edwards&ctab=0&geo=all&date=2007&sort=0

[progressoid]

58. spouting sour grapes?

How does one spout a sour grape?

[frogmarch]

60. Edwards placed SECOND in Iowa, but it was still Obama vs Clinton

according to the media. Edwards was rarely, IF EVER mentioned. On a Denver channel, Clinton was even reported to have come in second.

The grapes really ARE sour!

[Desertrose]

63. Not sour grapes at all ..its the simple truth.

Of course the media is picking our candidates. We've been given a selection of three that meet with their approval...some more than others.

The media is owned by big money interests and face it, big money (oil/pharma/insurance/media/defense/etc) runs our country. If you are "friendly" to them (more or less) you will be mentioned- maybe not always in a good light but at least mentioned.

Others get no mention or if there is no other way, they get ridiculed.

I sincerely hope you don't believe that "news" FOLLOWS events, when it is pretty clear if one just pays attention, that the "news" LEADS events.

It would be nice if Obama - or any of them for that matter- could be "The Real Deal"...but I'll need a lot more evidence before I go there....no matter what he says. Talk is easy...the walk is more difficult.


DR

[BigDDem]

64. How 'bout that "real deal!!!"

"Go ahead pout, stomp your feet, throw a freaking tantrum, but face it the PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING"

:rofl:

[IndianaJones]

65. this meme has changed. now its "the election was fixed." nt.

[wndycty]

66. He still is the real deal! As was evident after he won Iowa and then Hillary comes back and wins. .

. . .NH, one race does not make a nomination. I congratulate Hillary, but I'm confident we will come back and Obama will be our nominee.

OH BY THE WAY, I'M NOT GOING TO BLAME THE MEDIA FOR HILLARY'S COMEBACK!!! I'm being consistent with the OP as I wrote it yesterday.

[BigDDem]

68. "one race does not make a nomination"

Really? Many of your BO buddies seemed to think it did after Iowa.
Let the "panic" and "meltdown" continue!! :rofl:

[wndycty]

69. You can spin it that way and to your point many Hillary supporters gave her the nomination before...

. . .one vote was even cast. So lets be consistent.

[BigDDem]

70. I never thought it was over before and I dont think it's over now

Many of the BO-bots seemed to think it was over afer Iowa, just sayin'

[wndycty]

71. I'm not disputing you, but if you are honest you could accuse the Hillary supporters of. . .

. . .doing the same thing before a vote was cast. Just be consistent. The Obama supporter are no worse than the Clinton supporters. We have idiots on both sides. . .simple as that.

[Evergreen Emerald]

67. It is not sour grapes. The reality is that media impacts us greatly

The news media vilifies Clinton while giving Obama and Edwards star status. The stories they air, and the ones they suppress shape how and what we see in a politician. Those impressions become fact.

They are not fact. But, the reality is that media has great impact. And the lies and distortions do effect candidates.

I think that Bush on the elections because of the media who helped to create a character that Americans wanted. He is not as he was shaped and portrayed in the media. And he won.


I was hoping that we would have learned from the Bush mistake: the press is propaganda and not truth. And perhaps we are learning. Perhaps many stood up and decided on their own yesterday--despite the media's attempts to crown Obama.