I just saw Hillary on Olbermann

[Botany]

She has no shame .... no not the "sniffy stuff" but her .....

"Al Qaeda tried to bomb the U.K. after Brown was elected P.M. ...." H. Clinton ... rough quote

AKA
"they" watch our votes and if we come off as weak than they attack
us .... so a vote against me is vote for helping the terrorists.

I have been supporting Edwards and will continue to but if it looks like
Obama can stop her .... than sign me up.

This is from the Karl Rove play book.

[marylanddem]

1. desperation, desperation, desperation

it's all downhill now...

[Botany]

3. for me not desperation but a total lack of class

"a vote against me is a vote for terror."

George Bush 2004 ... Hillary Clinton 2008

[marylanddem]

8. In the most recent debate, or last few days, she said two things

that struck me as particularly ominous(these are paraphrases):

"You don't get change by demanding it"

and

"It's wrong to set the expectations of the American people too high"


You don't get change by demanding it? What about the Civil Rights movement, the womens' movement?
And as for setting high expectations - why the hell not?

[Botany]

12. just like her "crying game" moment today .....

.... she was so emotional that she choked up but .... 15 seconds later she
got off "Obama is not up to the job," blast.

[gateley]

19. I agree with your statement on high expectations - why the hell not? But I

have to keep reminding myself that I have to be REALISTIC in my expectations, too. I won't wake up on January 21, 2009 and have health care, for example -- and hell, I might not even have it on January 21, 2010.

[Bishop Rook]

4. "Downhill"...

Heh heh.

[yourout]

2. Unless that is out of context....she is digging her own grave.

sickening.

[Thrill]

5. Scare tactics

Its really sad

[AtomicKitten]

6. I was just told to let it go.

I don't think so.

Playing the fear card has got to be the lowest, but I don't think we've seen the nadir of desperation quite yet.

[Botany]

7. It was so in your face .... that it was not funny

She said something about "they" watch our elections even more than some
Americans ..... real rough quote

[AtomicKitten]

9. I've had enough of the politics of fear.

[marylanddem]

15. Yes - that was the creepiest part of it - more fear pablum...

like the thugs have been dishing out for such a nightmarishly long time...while engendering the hatred of the rest of the world and stoking the hatred that fuels terrorism...

[AtomicKitten]

16. this is our chance to change the dynamics

I agree that this fear-mongering is detrimental to the wellbeing of America.

[Cha]

17. Sounds like she's channeling

cheney! I know that shit worked for them but these are Democrats she's trying to scare not mealy mouthed repukes.

[mod mom]

10. A Democrat is toast if KO says your tactics (HRC not Botany) come straight from rove.

I, too, support Edwards, but will refrain from dissing anyone who can end corporate rule within the Democratic Party. I didn't want to have write-in a candidate, but I REFUSE to ever vote for a DLC member. If the tide rolls w Obama after the primaries, the I will work for him as I did for K/E when Dean bowed out.

[Botany]

18. did KO say that?

I saw about 60 seconds of Hillary .... (trying to get my mind off of OSU butt thumping)

Gordon Brown winning the P.M. in the U.K. is a victory for al Qaeda?????????

[mod mom]

21. he did. I'm hoping someone posts it because hubby missed it.

Did OSU lose? Are there riots on campus?

The scarey part of her warning about Brown is that the neolibs were the neocons back up plan. Now what? :scared:

[sandnsea]

11. And this is called the media picking on Hillary n/t

[madrchsod]

13. i`m waiting for the youtube videos

before i comment on what you posted...not that i think you are "lying" but there is a lot of "out of context" stuff that i have burned myself on...:dilemma:

[Cha]

14. Rec'd~ Thanks, Botany!

I know..no shame and now there's news that they got carville to run their campaign while his wife runs fred thompson's. hillary's good for smear practice.

[mzmolly]

20. THIS is something she deserves to be called on.

Not getting choked up.

[Voltaire99]

22. Dems can be Bushies, too

Hillary is no different to any of the Bush crowd in using fear to mobilize American militancy for the empire.

She belongs with the Bushies in another way, too: they all ought to be put on trial at the Hague.

[Rageneau]

23. Thank goodness, the Republicans won't play the "fear" card.

Wake up, people. The "fear" card is a given in this election. No matter who the GOP nominee is, he will attack the Dem as being soft on terror, not ready to defend the country if Al Quaeda attacks. But it will be much harder to attack Hillary that way than Edwards or Obama (who the GOP will cast as a coupla twinky peaceniks).

Also, Hillary did NOT say that Edwards or Obama would NOT be prepared to fight terror; she said that she WOULD be. She was emphasizing what she considers to be her strengths as a candidate. That's what she SHOULD be doing.

Saying "vote for me or else the boogeymen will get you" -- which is what Republicans say -- is playing the fear card.

Saying, "vote for me because I'll kick the boogeyman's ass if he tries to get you," is NOT playing the fear card. It is playing normal politics.

[Froward69]

24. So who Thought she was any different??

From bush-co?

[Apollo11]

25. Gordon Brown was not elected PM of the UK

In May of 2007, Tony Blair caved in to pressure and announced that he would resign as (1) a Member of Parliament, (2) Leader of the Labour Party and (3) Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

Gordon Brown was the only Member of Parliament to meet the conditions to become a candidate for Leader of the Labour Party. Two others were interested in running, but neither could collect enough signatures from other MPs. So there was no election for Leader of the Labour Party, and Gordon Brown took over as Prime Minister of the UK on 27 June 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_Labour_Party_%28UK%29_leadership_elections%2C_2007

[geiger]

28. good point

and I hate to say it, but she also misspoke on the Pakistani situation.

I don't like it that she's getting so stressed out.

[MethuenProgressive]

26. The HillHating Keith Olberman Show!

KO came out of the ObamaNation closet with his 60 minute Obama Infomercial last night.
:puke:

[Alamom]

27. Read the comments Kiddo's - KO made a BIG boo-boo

BTW, I didn't see Karl Rove mentioned in his comment....maybe not complete ?

http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/07/557391.aspx


KO, Tonight you embarrassed yourself in your coverage of Hillary.
Tomorrow night you might consider naming yourself as the Worst Person in the World.

Gary (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 9:13 PM)


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You are right, it is all about Obama and his message and nothing else. If Hillary breaths wrong,
you cover it, but Obama....no report tonight on his robocalls in New Hampshire against Hillary which are against the law. I guess Hillary, is just supposed to bow down to the great Orator and not criticize him. Get in the boat Hillary how dare you criticize...you woman you. Barack is such a weak man, that all the men have to defend him from the woman.....We had two men at the debate going after Hillary, even the guy running the debate said so. But when Hillary struck back - they then turned on her and said she is not supposed to attack them. I didn't hear Keith mention how mean it was at the debate on Saturday to tell Hillary, the people of
New Hampshire didn't find her likeable.
Did Keith even bother to find out if
Hillary was responding to a question when she used
Al Queda? The LBJ quote to me sounded like she was saying look what a President did, look at the difference a President can make. But what did the press turn it into? How dare Hillary have the nerve to say that.....when a black man is running?
When I saw Hillary break down today, I thought my
God she is exhausted, she never would have let that happen ever. What were the first press comments,
"her handlers probably told her to go have a cup of coffee and cry on camera." If she shows her feelings, she is putting it on. If she holds in her feelings.....she hard and has no feelings. You are all building Obama into a larger than life character
and if he wins the Presidency, you will all tear him down. No one can live up to the pass you are giving him on everything but you can bet the Republicans won't give him a pass.
Karen, Chicago, IL (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 10:00 PM)

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Keith, Keith, Keith, I wasn't comfortable when you were obviously biased toward the Clintons, but must you change course and join the piling on the night before an important primary????

First of all you go off on Hillary for all of a sudden playing the 9-11 card. Her statement about Gordon Brown didn't start today. I've heard her mention that scenario before. And she is not saying that electing her would keep the situation from happening, only that she is most likely to have a clue as to what to do when it did. Also, you followed that up with a supposed "positive" clip from Obama's speech -- excuse me, but the man listed nothing but negatives about "people who...." What makes his statement positive and hers negative????? I know you have an anti-Bush bias but you usually at least acknowledge the nuances. I cannot believe you labeled Obama as positive!!!!
Peggy Kruse, Florissant (St. Louis County), Missouri (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 10:02 PM)

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I'm not a Clinton supporter, and I don't take issue with most of Keith's points about her, but I'm very concerned about how her showing emotion is being portrayed. As Think Progress notes at http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/clinton-tears/:

"The media’s excoriation and mocking of Clinton contrast with their treatment of prominent conservative politicians who have cried in the past. Their tears, according to these pundits, are 'genuine,' 'poignant,' and 'extraordinary.'"

They provide several examples that should make you wonder why Clinton is being portrayed as weak or manipulative but the male Republican politicians who've cried in public demonstrated strength or confidence in their "manliness."


Still rooting for Kucinich, Monterey, CA (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 10:05 PM)


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Keith
I've really enjoyed your show and you are usually right on. I was very disappointed to see you take the low road tonight in your comments about Senator Clinton. You and others in the media are treating Senator Obama like the chosen prince and quite frankly, are not questioning his platform as you are others. He is full of rhetoric and hope but not much substance. Even my friends who like Obama said Clinton is the more solid candidate.
K St Paul (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 10:07 PM)

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Why is it an attack on Obama when Hillary is pointing out his shortcomings on issues?

There seems to be a definate double-standard going on here. Obama & Edwards have both been attacking Hillary, and no one bats an eye, but when she points out differences in policies, suddenly she is going negative. Obama went negative long ago & the only reason he has backed off that is because he's up in the polls.

I liked him at first, but he has disappointed me. He has been hypocritical, especially when he criticized Hillary's vote on Iran when he didn't even show up to vote (undoubtedly, so he couldn't be tied down to one side or the other). He may be talking about change, but he is playing the game as well as any other DC insider, but the press is giving him a free ride.

What Hillary said today, in that diner, is true. The press is treating the campaign like it's a sporting event; veering here & there based on what is making the best story for them. But this isn't about their ratings & profits: This is about the future of our democracy.

You guys ned to start holding EVERY candidate to the same sstandards.
gothamtomato, nyc (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 10:37 PM)