"It's Personal" Hillary got PWNED in the debate and tried to use the SAME LINE...

[PassingFair]

the NEXT DAY. She didn't "CRY". She tried to UP THE ANTE.

It was OBVIOUS.

It was a failed gambit.

She could have at LEAST changed up the words a little.

That's what is so GALLING about this whole spectacle to ME.

Not the "tears".

Not the total IMPLOSION of the Hillary supporters on this board.

My GAWD, at least have your handlers write you your OWN LINE!!!!!!!

Real "PERSONAL", Hillary!!!!!

[maddiejoan]

1. There's a trademark on that?

Damnit --And I know I've been using it for years.

I should have registered it myself.

[PassingFair]

3. She could have given it at least a day....

Don't wonder why people think her performance was disingenuous
when she regurgitates what her rivals say on the PREVIOUS DAY!

[LittleBlue]

4. I have to ask the Hillary supporters: Is she ready for primetime?

This environment in the primary is gentle by comparison to a general election. If she does so poorly in these small states, how does she expect to win against a committed GOP? She looks washed up.

[maddiejoan]

5. Bill did poorly at first to

Didn't have a primary win until Georgia.

what's your point?

[PassingFair]

6. Did Bill take other peoples riffs from the night before and retell them

the next day, with a sniffle?

He very well MAY have....

[maddiejoan]

7. I'd suggest you watch the video clip

and judge for yourself whether or not she was using it as you suggest.

98% of her riff was pure Hillary --so why take four words out of it and blow it up?

"It's personal to me" is a common enough expression. Especially ya know --when you're talking about stuff you feel personal about.

[PassingFair]

8. I watched it.

She saw the effect that Edwards had with the line,
and thought she'd up the ante.

She obviously blew it.

[maddiejoan]

10. Edwards been playing that schtick since 2004

It didn't have any better effect at the NH debate than the other thousand times he's used it.

At least when Hillary used it --I actually believed it.

[PassingFair]

12. When Edwards used it, the AUDIENCE actually believed it.

Unlike Hillary's performance.

[maddiejoan]

33. or so the media would have you believe

[PassingFair]

35. !

I guess that would depend on what your definition of "is" is.

:crazy:

[maddiejoan]

42. well you claimed

that the 'audience' believes Edwards.

That's not true --some do --maybe even most in an audience.

I don't believe him. I look at his past and in squaring it with his present just have to shrug.

I find him to be disingenuous.

[PassingFair]

44. Hillary must have thought it was effective and believable....

she used it the very next day.

Not very smart.

[maddiejoan]

46. Or not

she was speaking from an emotional place. It WAS personal for her.

sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[truebrit71]

48. Unfortunate that you brought up the cigar analogy...

...

[maddiejoan]

49. hehehe

yeah --that was dumb!

LOL

[LittleBlue]

11. Maddie, this is exactly the problem

People have so little faith in her ability to be genuine that the focus is now: was she sincere when she cried? She has 0 ability to get her message across. I haven't seen her message anywhere on TV. I've seen Mark Penn, I've seen her staff resigning, I've seen numerous gaffes (the Putin and MLK ones for example), but nowhere can I find a message or purpose.

She is toast, regardless of whether she is nominated.

[Cha]

13. What did she say about putin?

Thanks.

[LittleBlue]

17. She said he's soulless. She tried making a joke about Putin

but she said, since he is ex-KGB, he is by definition soulless. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Putin, he is supported by 70% of his own people. That was one of the dumbest gaffes I've ever heard. Can you imagine her joking Blair is a poodle? I think he is, but would never insult his country by saying it as President.

[Cha]

19. Oh yeah, I remember something about that...

and who was she pandering to at that moment? Oh boy.

[LittleBlue]

22. I think it does our side honor to have Gore supporters on board

I'm hoping for the best with Obama. Having Gore people on board makes me feel warm and tingly. :D

[Cha]

23. Yeah, I'm into the whole

environmental thing..not for Prez cause he doesn't want to run and I like Obama and Edwards. B-)

[PassingFair]

14. I don't think she's toast.

I don't even dislike her!

I think she made a gaffe here.

I think her supporters are going ballistic over nothing.

Her getting "emotional" was A-OK with me, her
"its personal" crap was just a blatant copycat ploy though...

[MollieBradford]

52. she cried?

I didn't see the same clip apparently. I saw emotion, but no crying.
I am with Maddie, I have never found Edwards sincere.

[karynnj]

54. He hadn't been at the pinnacle of Democratic polits for 15 years

as she has. She is not running as the young fresh new voice, but the seasoned, experienced veteran. More to the point, why is Clinton acting like an attack dog against a Democrat - when he hardly hit Bush in 2002 or 2004. Very unPresidential.

[indimuse]

30. here's a question..Understate the OBVIOUS!

Would Obama be as popular IF were WHITE? With his record or lack there of...? this is a valid question.

[PassingFair]

31. That is the LEAST valid question I've seen on DU in a LONG time.

You should be ashamed.

[indimuse]

32. Why?

Explain...

[PassingFair]

34. Because he hasn't made "blackness" a part of his campaign!

And he's half white!

Take your bigoted statements to
a board that will appreciate them,
please.

[indimuse]

36. I am NOT a bigot!!

This is valid...Yes he has brought "Blackness"( Oprah) to the campaign so has his wife... YOU can't deney that. So Again I ask other than Being The first Black President...WHAT^ SOLID recored does he really have? In contrast to the other candidates...
Why is it he can or his supporter use this as an advantage...but when somebody poses a valid question...you are a bigot..
I've seen so pretty Fucked question re: Hillary! And that's OK! But...The obvious..is ...would a white 46 year old Brand New Senator...with a very lacking voting record...have this much hype? you know the answer. you just don't want to talk about it.

[PassingFair]

37. He has as much experience as Edwards (almost)

without the DLC baggage of Clinton.

And he can't help the color of his skin.

If YOU want to make an issue of it, so be it.

[elixir]

38. I totally agree w/ indimus. Take away gender and race and see what you have

Judge the message, not the package. I think you'd be thinking very differently right now.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

41. I agree. It's a valid point

Obama is at least partially benefitting from his racial heritage.

[PassingFair]

43. That is crap.

Right. Everyone knows that being dark skinned is a
TREMENDOUS advantage in today's America.

:crazy:

He is benefiting from his natural charisma, which
the other candidates LACK.

Hate to say it.

But it's true.

The others LOOK good.

Not much on charisma points beyond the photo ops.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

45. Apparently you haven't been paying attention to the

conflict in the AA community amongst those torn between Clinton and Obama.
If O were not black they wouldn't give a second thought to supporting Hillary over him.

[PassingFair]

47. Boo Hoo.

Because Bill was able to garner black votes, Hillary
should be able to take the black vote for granted?

This whole sub-thread is getting slimy.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

50. Slimy is in the eye of the beholder

but I think for the people who find this a tough call, it is simply a very hard decision.
And I think some of them are swayed in many different ways, by many different criteria.

[indimuse]

53. yo slim picktins___ take that anyway you like...

It's not about taking away the "Black" vote..It's about Viability! at least to me... I would vote for Obama...when HE...Obama..Has the record. As of now,,,SORRY. No cigar! I love Obama ...but HLLLARY IS THE CHANGE I"M LOOKIG FOR NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

HLLLARY IS THE CHANGE I"M LOOKIG FOR NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

HLLLARY IS THE CHANGE I"M LOOKIG FOR NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

HLLLARY IS THE CHANGE I"M LOOKIG FOR NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
HLLLARY IS THE CHANGE I"M LOOKIG FOR NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

HLLLARY IS THE CHANGE I"M LOOKIG FOR NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
HLLLARY IS THE CHANGE I"M LOOKIG FOR NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

HLLLARY IS THE CHANGE I"M LOOKIG FOR NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
HLLLARY IS THE CHANGE I"M LOOKIG FOR NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

HLLLARY IS THE CHANGE I"M LOOKIG FOR NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
HLLLARY IS THE CHANGE I"M LOOKIG FOR NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

HLLLARY IS THE CHANGE I"M LOOKIG FOR NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

[indimuse]

39. Edawrds???

Have you gone to the library of congress...done a search on ALL three or whom ever and really compared...? If you have then I would hope you recognise the HUGE contrast in SOLID work for change and where they really separate from each other. I did. And I'm here to tell you. Obama has done NOTHING in comparison to Hillary..and She is MORE progressive.

As far as the black thing...I have many many black friends I hang out with and work with...this is a subject we have discussed many times...Especially when Obamas wife makes statements..to the effect You have an obligation to vote for him BECAUSE he is black...Not on his merritts...I am not the only one who has said...heard...questioned...this.

Good luck with who ever you are rooting 4

[PassingFair]

40. How lovely that you have black friends.

:eyes:

You are a piece of work.

[Thrill]

2. Reality Check False Hope

Hillary has done this to herself

[Cha]

9. PassingFair..THey

liked the line so much..and, I don't think it's the first sign of co-opting another candidate's words.

[PassingFair]

15. It was SUCH a highlight of the debate, Zidzi.

Really, it stood out. For her to play the
SAME CARD the next day was just STUPID.

[Cha]

18. If people in New Hampshire

notice then they might wonder about her programming. Thanks for bringing this up,PF. I don't watch the tube and no one else has caught this to my knowledge.

[TheDonkey]

16. I like how she wrote in some campaign talking points as well

"some of us are ready...*sob*...some of us are NOT *cough* Obamaaaaa.... It's soooo hard."

I think her message was good but why try throwing punches too. It wreaks of desperation and opportunistic sleaze.

[Skip Intro]

20. She hit it out of the park in that debate. Tomorrow might just bring a suprise or two.

BS attacks on her here not withstanding.

[PassingFair]

21. Neatly fielded by Edwards, from what I saw.

Especially the "It's personal" moment.

Obviously.

[robbedvoter]

24. Disgusting!

[niceypoo]

25. On which issue did she get PWNED?

?? Why can't you just admit you hate her and that this is a stinkbomb thread?

[emilyg]

26. Stop hating.

[sojourner]

27. my impression exactly.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

28. PWNED???

You sound like a Ron Paul supporter with teh internets language.

[PassingFair]

29. Oh yeah.

I'll be voting for Ron Paul in teh 08 election!

:rofl:

Guess what, this IS the internet!

[ozone_man]

51. That raised my suspicions

that it was an attempt to come across more softly, since Saturday night revealed the angrier side of her personality.

As far as the tears go, I'm not so convinced they were real, she did sniffle a bit though. I think the episode was contrived to show her is a softer light. If I were Hillary I would be crying about the million Iraquis who were killed in a war I voted for. That's ample reason to make anyone cry. Then she might get my votes, but not because she wants to be president so bad that it makes her cry.