Edward's is going to get hit with some instant karma tomorrow

[cali]

My strong guess is that the comment he made and linked to Hillary Clinton's emotional moment is going to come back and haunt him less than 24 hrs after he made it. Yeah, he tried to backtrack, but that isn't going to play. And just about every voter in NH has heard what he said. This is an unusual electorate we're talking about. They're wealthier, more educated and less likely to take kindly to his remarks.

He tried to stick the blade in. He succeeded at hurting himself.

Edited to add link:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/rival-reacts-to.html

[Cameron27]

1. Who knows cali,

I can't predict anything anymore. It'll be interesting to see if there's an effect though.

[iamjoy]

2. What Did He Say?

I missed it.

[JDPriestly]

3. No one seems to say. They just talk about it being sexist.

Don't worry. Edwards will respond to this rumor.

[iamjoy]

11. Oh, I Found It - Pretty Tasteless

about as tasteless as Obama laying responsibility at Clinton's feet for Bhutto's death

But then - you never know how the media filters these things to portray a candidate in the worst possible light whether because they dislike the candidate or want to rev up the blood lust.

[Donnachaidh]

13. no link --? Again, total attack hearsay n/t

[ClericJohnPreston]

19. Consider the source.

[iamjoy]

38. Here's A Link

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/clinton-gets-emotional-at-new-hampshire-stop/

but there's much we don't know. For example, did he barely take a breath between saying he hadn't seen it so he couldn't respond and then talking about how the President had to be strong? Or, did he say he hadn't seen it and then the reporter asked him some type of leading question or otherwise prompted the response.

The comments do seem tasteless, but I don't trust the media to fairly cover John Edwards. Still, you'd think he would have learned this by now and be more guarded in his interactions.

I don't give Obama any credit for being the gentleman on this one. He's in the lead and so all he has to do is not make anybody angry. Edwards is trailing, so he's taking advantage of another opportunity to highlight his strengths. If he'd left it at no comment it wouldn't have even been reported.

[ArkySue]

64. I saw it on cnn

He barely took a breath before saying the CinC had to be strong and campaigning is tough but so is being President.
I'm waiting for the backlash.

[JDPriestly]

67. It was not tasteless. Edwards was honest. I responded with these comments before:

Edwards did not cry when he came in second in Iowa after having polled low all summer and got no press recognition. The NY Times managed to write an editorial on the Iowa caucuses and did not mention Edwards once, although they mentioned Hillary who came in third. Don't you think Edwards was sad? Did he look down during the debate the other night? No, he looked up. He was firm on his message. That is strength. Hillary needs to realize that only one person will win. It might or might not be her.

Edwards was smart enough not to go to that dinner the other night. Apparently it was packed with Obama supporters. I understand they booed Hillary at that dinner. I am an Edwards supporter, but it is rude to boo someone. The Hillary people claim that they booed other candidates (Edwards if I am not mistaken) at the Nevada debate. I recall all the gleeful posts on DU after that debate -- Ohh see how they booed . . . . It was Hillary's turn to get booed. Booing is uncouth, discourteous, bad behavior at political events where all speakers are Democrats. Boo Bush all you want, but don't boo any of our candidates. The Obama supporters would be out of place to boo Hillary at that event. But then, maybe that was her karma.

If you notice, Edwards has reminded us and, no doubt most of all himself and his family, that when the primaries are over all the candidates will be OK. They go on with their lives. If Hillary does not win, she can play a major role bringing her version of
"change" into the Senate. Edwards will also go on with his life. So will Obama. This race is about which candidate will be best for the American people.

Face it, all the candidates are exhausted. These early fast-track primaries are grueling. It's a circus not a deliberative process.

[The Backlash Cometh]

73. One wonders how it can be sexist?

If a man got weepy eyed, there would probably be someone, including Hillary Clinton, who would have said the same thing.

The only ones that I have seen get away with it without anyone saying anything about it are the Bushies. They say they get weepy easily. But the Bush's have always managed to avoid great controversy on some of their family's peculiarities by being pro-active about controversial things they have done. For instance, I can't believe that to this day, the photo of the elder George Bush in the bathtub with his four young children hasn't circulated the internets. What I found the oddest thing about that photo, is that it was the Bushes who revealed it at that annual Journalist ball. And, somehow, because they revealed it, they somehow insulated themselves against criticism over it?

I don't get it.

[laureloak]

75. He had this excellent response:

"I think what we need in a commander-in-chief is strength and resolve, and presidential campaigns are tough business, but being president of the United States is also tough business,"


BTW, Hillary wasn't really crying so go blame the media for telling Edwards that she was.

[Blue_In_AK]

4. Come on, Cali, it wasn't that big a deal...

It's a campaign, things are said, sometimes they're not so nice to each other.

[Andy823]

15. Anything to make

Edwards look bad, is fair game to some people, and that makes me sick. The only good thing is when they come up with crap like this, it simply shows how scared they are of Edwards. Do you really think if it was down to a two person race with Edwards and Obama, the public wouldn't see which one has "substance" and which one does not? Obama is going to find out that the "free ride" is almost over. If by some chance he wins the nomination the republicans will "NOT" give him a free ride!

[sojourner]

65. I'm for Edwards......but just as I think we can criticize HRC and Obama,

it's fair to let people speak their mind about Edwards. The thing I don't like is when people make up stuff. I agree with you...when this is how petty it gets, it means that he's starting to make an impact.

[laureloak]

77. There's no reasoning with insane hatred towards the candidates

opposing Obama by those who have nothing to do but cruise this board 24/7.

[MalloyLiberal]

5. STOP WITH THE ATTACKS

Damn, you just cannot stop.

Attack, attack, attack.

Why not something good about OBAMA? But no, attack attack, lie distort anything you can do.

SOMEONE must be worried .

I will NEVER vote for your candidate because of his cult like following and because he is an EMPTY SUIT.

[ClericJohnPreston]

6. Whoever you are Malloyliberal, we share the same opinion

of Obama...and Cali.. ;)

[MalloyLiberal]

8. I'm just SICK AND TIRED of the thuggery

[KennedyGuy]

20. Now THAT is funny

any other candidate's supporters..(snicker)...complaining about their candidate being attacked..HAHAHAHA..
this is a joke..right?:nopity:

[bvar22]

60. !

me too.
:thumbsup:

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[ClericJohnPreston]

17. You know best!

About deranged...and Malloyliberal pegged it best when he used the word, "distortion", having seen it myself.

You are pathetically predictable. I had a stopwatch going to see how long your fuse was. I was right. You dish, but can't take it. I don't buy into your candidate and I certainly don't bend at your simplistic slams.

Keep trying :)

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[TwilightZone]

28. Hey, come on now. The guy's been here for four days.

He's an expert!

[cali]

36. Yes, but will he make it another four?

Be interesting to see.

[Adelante]

29. A matched pair

:crazy:

[ClericJohnPreston]

37. Thanks Cali...and I'm agnostic...

Save your religion and snake oil for someone that buys it.

Again, you meaninglessly give yourself credit where none is due. I told you already. Your opinion doesn't mean a whit to me. I'm not on a board to discuss politics and care about adverse opinions. I state mine and argue them. I stand up to those who don't, but substitute pithy anger or righteous indignation, as argument.

I told you, I don't ever back down.

You are pure Obama. I am pure Edwards.

And that is that.

Ba bye, though ;)

P.S. As to vile, that is the word I use to someone who willingly takes part in twisting words and truth to suit their agenda. You were called out by me for your outright lie on a post I never made. But, you never acknowledged it. I didn't expect you would.

[Mr_Monday]

69. Let me bow and worship you,

oh great master of wisdom. Seriously, check yourself. It's an online forum for goodness sake!

[TwilightZone]

14. Pot, meet kettle.

Nearly everything you post is an attack, most of it unsubstantiated, so your post is rather amusing in that context.

[ClericJohnPreston]

22. Nice straw man fallacious statement, nowhere person...

[TwilightZone]

25. You've been here for four days, and you think you know the place?

Oh, please. That might be the most hilarious thing I've read all day.

[ClericJohnPreston]

30. Call me a quick learner...

Don't slap yourself on the back. I knew the lay of the land in about ten minutes.

[cali]

27. Pepperoni or Mushroom? n/t

[ZombieHorde]

61. ummmm...

STOP WITH THE ATTACKS

and then...

he is an EMPTY SUIT

????????

[Mojambo]

9. There is no apostrophe necessary. It's just Edwards

Apostrophe Protection Society.

http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/

[JDPriestly]

10. I can't find any press reference to any statement he made.

What were his actual words?

[Donnachaidh]

12. no link to this *comment* cali? That's a thoroughly ROVIAN tactic

No link -- I call total bullshit.

[Jim Sagle]

16. DLC hogwash!

[TheDonkey]

18. what did he say?

[Adelante]

21. Rivals Reacts to Teary Clinton

Edwards offered little sympathy and pounced on the opportunity to question Clinton's ability to endure the stresses of the presidency.

"I think what we need in a commander-in-chief is strength and resolve, and presidential campaigns are tough business, but being president of the United States is also tough business," Edwards told reporters in Laconia, New Hampshire.

-snip

However, in an interview with ABC News' David Muir, Elizabeth Edwards offered more compassion than her husband. She noted that everyone on the campaign trail can relate to how grueling the task can be. In the end, Elizabeth Edwards did not pass on the political opportunity and added that voters will decide whether or not they want to see watery eyes.

Later, at another campaign stop, Edwards appeared to adopt his wife's more sympathetic tone.

"These campaigns are very grueling," he said, "they're tough and difficult affairs, running for president is a tough process."

During a campaign stop at Jake's Coffee in New London, New Hampshire, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was also asked to comment about Clinton's teary moment.

"I didn't see what happened," he said, but added, "I know this process is a grind. So that's not something I care to comment on."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/rival-reacts-to.html

[ClericJohnPreston]

26. SNIP....the exculpatory aspect of the story...

[TheDonkey]

53. thanks for actually linking.

:)

[asdjrocky]

24. I've been looking all day for a comment from any candidate-

Is there a link to remarks by John Edwards? It would surprise me if he did something about what seemed to be genuine emotion coming form a very tired, and over-worked woman. I was actually touched by the show of true, and deep emotion from Hillary.

But I'm sure you wouldn't say it, Cali, unless you could back it up.

[cali]

32. I put in a link , rocky

and I'm sorry he said it. really wish he hadn't.

[asdjrocky]

35. That's it?

I got no problem with that.

[lastliberalintexas]

48. Oh please

You really expect anyone to believe that? Btw, I have this bridge for sale, real cheap...

[jeanruss]

31. hillary's performance

Hillary has been in the public eye for a loooooong time, and this is what made her cry?????? I was impressed by her performance-especially when she said this election was "personal" for her....hmmmmmm...where have I heard that before? OH YEAH! It was John Edwards, except he MEANT it. Actually, I think the person that will be most responsible for Hillary's loss, will be Nancy Pelosi. We should all realize, after Pelosi's pathetic performance as Speaker, that gender and race have NOTHING to do with leadership. Nancy had a great opportunity and BLEW it. I am very carefully looking at specific policies when making my evaluation. Nancy should not have been selected for Speaker as soon as she said that impeachment was off the table. It showed her contempt for the Constitution. Both Hillary and Obama have voted for bills that are not progressive within the last 6 months-They both voted for the Peru Free Trade agreement, which was a vote to continue NAFTA, they keep voting to fund the war. What will change with either of these two candidates?

[Hieronymus]

46. Oh yea .. You got that all right.

:woohoo:
Go, John.

[Evergreen Emerald]

33. I cannot stomach Edwards. I forgave him for his early personal attacks on

Clinton, after he backed off. But, these personal attacks show an extremely ugly side--that he would attack so personally for political gain in suggesting that Clinton has no conscience--or now the opposite: that she has too much conscience that she tears up.

His ugliness has turned me off--I will never support Edwards.

[1corona4u]

34. Too bad NH can't see the shit going on

here on DU, by the Obama supporters. I'm sure they'd be thrilled to be associated with the likes of people here....

[cali]

39. Oh, I think there are people who support all the candidates

who are engaging in sliming. My OP is not a slime. People are speaking out about Edwards comments all over the web.

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[1corona4u]

43. It may not be slime, but it's stupid petty shit.

[red2blue]

41. BOO HOO HOO

Grow up. What are you going to say when the repukes call her menopausal

[Sparkly]

42. How about, "Heard it on DU first."

:eyes:

[Tom Rinaldo]

51. Perfect! Absolutely Perfect! (sadly so) n't

[Cameron27]

58. !

:rofl:

[ZombieHorde]

62. "Heard it on DU first."

That's pretty funny.

[goldcanyonaz]

52. The repukes? People on this forum have mentioned her being "Menopausal".

[ursi]

44. the only place I've heard about this is here

[ClericJohnPreston]

47. Its like a Fox News thread

Fair and balanced :eyes:

[ChiciB1]

49. Me Too... Guess I Was Out In "Left Field" Or Something... Seems Like

there are several here who constantly "dig" for dirt and the same names appear over and over.

Oh well, I think I'm almost immune to blatant mean "spiritedness," and I don't think THAT'S a real word!

[frogmarch]

50. Here's another take on it, including a quote by Edwards

excerpt:

At a New Hampshire campaign event, presidential rival John Edwards told reporters he was unaware of Clinton's emotional reaction and would not respond to it, but added, according to CNN's Dugald McDonnell: "I think what we need in a commander in chief is strength and resolve, and presidential campaigns are a tough business, but being President of the United States is also a very tough business. And the President of the United States is faced with very, very difficult challenges every single day, difficult judgments every single day."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/clinton-gets-emotional-at-new-hampshire-stop/

What's the big deal? As far as that goes, what was the big deal about Clinton showing some emotion? She didn't cry. She choked up a bit and then got control of herself.

[Lex]

54. Here, read this and try to understand it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3986395&mesg_id=3986395

[Bonobo]

55. Don't know if you care, but I think this is bullshit, Cali. I thought you were better than that.

[ejbr]

56. HUH???

I read the quote and have no idea where this "isn't going to play" is coming from. How criticizing someone as being too emotional who may be president is bad karma is beyond me. And given Edwards' polling in New Hampshire, I am even more confused by any concern about his comment's affect. Am I missing something? Has he become more competitive?

[cali]

63. No, I don't hate him. I'd vote for him if he were the nominee

and many, many Edwards supporters post one nasty thread after another on Obama. This thread isn't dishonest or ugly. Can't say the same thing about the 15 or so anti-Obama threads posted over the last few hours by Edwards supporters.

If you don't know what's wrong with what Edwards said, or why he backtracked and why Elizbeth tried to cover for him, I can't help you. This has zippo to do with him being competitive. It has to do with his comment being sexist bullshit. It's why Todd Gitlin wrote about it over at TPM and it's why a former blogger for him, has bailed on supporting him. I'm hardly the only one seeing it this way.

Oh, and as I support Obama, I'm hardly worried about JE, who won't come close to him tomorrow or the day after or the day after that or....

[ejbr]

74. Okay

Still don't see the harm in it, and I do pride myself on being sensitive to these things. And just because someone backtracks because of a media frenzy hardly means that what they said is worth backtracking for.

Maybe Edwards won't ever catch Obama, but at least I know he is the best candidate for the times in which we live. I have no regret in wanting him to be our next president. None. :)

[Quixote1818]

57. You really hate Edwards don't you? Why so much hate?

You attack him about once a day with a new post and he doesn't even have a chance to win the nomination.

[here_is_to_hope]

66. Once a day? Cali is on par

with a certain french cat...
Its foul...

[HughMoran]

59. You didn't criticize Edwards, did you?

Only Hillary and sometimes Obama are allowed to be criticized. OTOH, I don't think many folks will consider that comment to be a deal-breaker IMO.

[weeve]

68. ABC

... has been smearing John from the very start. If they think this is his Dean Scream moment, they're sorely mistaken. Seriously, ABC is worse than CNN when it copmes to Edwards, and I'd even say worse than Fox. Terry Moran and that Nightline crew are the most craven of the bunch. I'm just beside myself with their coverage. It's the worst of the worst. My personal boycott has begun.

[Two Americas]

70. he defended her

That is the distinct impression that I and several others got watching it live. It certainly was no big deal in any case.

You would need to take this way out of context and spin like crazy to come up with a story here, let alone an indictment of Edwards. Why are Edwards remarks not reported in their entirety anywhere? Because reporters are trying to manufacture controversy where there is none to make a better story?

The reporter asked him if this were an "Edmund Muskie" moment - obviously fishing for a response from Edwards that would damage Clinton. Edwards said no and brushed that aside as silly. He said that the campaign is stressful and wears on everyone. In no way did the context, his tone of voice, gestures or facial expression or anything else suggest any sort of slam on Clinton. It very much came across as a defense of her and as a dismissal of the reporter's angle for a story.

[musicblind]

71. now now

I am rooting for Hillary tomorrow, but I think that Edwards was horribly misquoted. If you look at the whole context. I think, however, that is wonderful to finally see some emotion from Hillary. Still, perspective. Edwards admitted that he did not know about Hillary chocking up a bit, and had not seen it. He said he didn't want to comment on it, but ... and then made his statements about what he thinks we need in a commander and chief. Those statements weren't really about Hillary's moment as he hadn't even seen the moment.

That said, I do hope Hillary pulls it out tomorrow just to spite the people who are so hateful to her. Poor thing.

[Pachamama]

72. Your right - Edwards karma is going to come to him tommorrow in NH!

But not in the way you predict....

LOL about the comment that you think was so wrong and damaging....I didn't see it that way and I predict that only a few such as yourself see it as a big deal and its a non issue to the voters of NH and any other.

No, I think that NH voters tommorrow will actually be very favorable to John Edwards. That will be the karma.

[last_texas_dem]

76. I think you're right

I've read his comments several times and just keep managing to miss what is allegedly so "outrageous" about them. They read like standard campaign rhetoric to me. Seems to me it's just the regular group of consistent Edwards-bashers trying to make this an issue. If it weren't these comments, they'd just be coming up with some other bullshit to fulfill their daily quota of candidate-bashing posts.

[Madam Mossfern]

78. I wonder if Edwards had a weepy moment

about the progress of his campaign if Hillary would be patting him on the shoulder and offering a tissue...or would she be going in for the kill.

Raally...talk about sexism.:eyes: Are we to feel sorry for Clinton because she's a helpless weepy woman? As I said before she was in complete control and managed to bash the opposition in the midst of her 'meltdown'.