does Kucinich have a chance of being the nominee?

[ButterflyBlood]

some people here still seem to think he can win, I honestly just can't comprehend that.

[SEAburb]

1. I don't think this is helpful, he's running, move on /nt

>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<

[BL_Zebub]

2. Does Hell have a chance of a snowstorm?

Not according to the extended 666 day forecast :evilfrown:

[diamondsoul]

4. Not you too?!

Jeez, come on people, should we all just stay the hell home then???? If it ain't Kucinich I don't give a rats arse who gets it.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

11. Yes, you should.

If you're only in it to get DK elected, then yeah, your only productive choice is to go home. It ain't happening.

If you're looking to help DK get his message out there to the Democratic party so that we might better ourselves and charge forward to a win in November, which is the point of him (and Sharpton) still being in the race, then by all means, come out and support! I value DK's presence in the race, but thinking he can or will win is a bit overshooting his capabilities and appeal.

[diamondsoul]

35. And if people in Hawaii listened

to your lousy advice Kucinich wouldn't have gotten SECOND PLACE there. The media may want to overlook that but I won't.

I''m out there on the off-chance that ANYTHING can happen as long as no candidate has rhe nomination sewn up. If You're voting for a winner, I submit you should stay home and let those of us actually thinking choose the nominee.

[scarletwoman]

39. "let those of us actually thinking..."

Ooooh! Ouch!

What we're up against are some very fundamental worldviews, not easily shaken. EVERYBODY thinks they're correct, that their views are the most useful.

Confrontation is not the way. We need to recognize that in one way or another, most people here (I hope) ARE giving consideration to the common good in what they argue for.

What I see are vastly differing interpretations of what the "common good" may mean, which apparently excites many passions.

Perhaps one way out would be to ask each person here what they think the "common good" means, and how they think they we best defend it.

sw

[diamondsoul]

42. Your point is well-intended

scarlet and I tried to live by that for months. Now I'm tired of being spit on. That's me. I wish you good luck in your efforts to be a peace-maker, however I submit and accept that some won't be peaceful no matter how thoughtful you are. The above was one of them.

[snoochie]

44. I'll back you up on that.

It's getting so really hard to put up with this kind of stuff.

Frankly it's starting to piss me off as well.

We're starting to see a rise in the polls for Kucinich despite the media being dedicated to making him look like a fool, and I'll be damned if members of his OWN PARTY are REFUSING to admit what this says about how strong of a candidate he is.

Keep yukking it up. Keep echoing the conventional wisdom.

We're fighting -- working our ASSES off -- to prove you wrong.

And after the nomination, this is not over. Those of us who will supoort the nominee will be rattling that cage as much as humanly possible to advocate for DENNIS KUCINICH'S PLATFORM.

He has pushed the whole field to the point that they're even tolerable.

[MaggieSwanson]

72. Amen. n/t

[scarletwoman]

47. Thank you for responding.

To me it is only logical, like Ghandi says (paraphrased) "We must BE the peace we wish to see."

I would never deny that there is plenty of reason to feel anger, but anger is not as efficient a source of power as reasoned strategy.

You wrote: "I submit and accept that some won't be peaceful no matter how thoughtful you are."

Of course, that is so. The point for me is, just because someone else is unpeaceful, does it do any good for me to become unpeaceful as well?

sw

[WitchWay]

55. ...Dennis Kucinich is awesome

Look -- Dennis Kucinich is a great candidate, and he's got a chance of winning. Thinking he can't win is just buying into the corporate media annointment of Kerry.

Kucinich is very appealing, albeit in a quirky way. And as for his capabilities? This guy is smart and on top of things! Plus, he isn't compromised and he has principles.

It's too bad that the media tries to shut him out and feeds folks propaganda to think he can't win. It's too bad that the corporate media wants to keep Kucinich quiet. They want to silence him and promote Kerry through favoritism. I don't trust the corporate media, and I've been without a tv for years. It's liberating. Just be careful not to let the tv, clear channels and corporate "local papers" tell you what to do. Especially these days.

To all Kucitizens - Take a leap of faith and have hope. Peace!

[BL_Zebub]

25. As a Devil for Dean, I would prefer DK to Kerry by far

But that wasn't the question. The question was whether he had a shot at the title this year. And I'm afraid the odds of me opening a ski resort this year are far better. Doesn't make a Devil happy, but it's the truth :evilfrown:

[tinanator]

69. and how did you rate Dean's chances?

Perhaps you need a new playbook?

[BL_Zebub]

71. I see a Rachel Corrie reference in your signature

Why would you endorse a candidate who seems to find no fault with the actions of those who murdered her?

[redqueen]

78. Why do you say that?

What has Dennis said about her death?

[TeeYiYi]

85. You should back up that statement . . .

I find your comment repugnant and unconscionable.

Provide a link to something that will substantiate what you say. You can't, can you? . . . Loser.

You should write crap like that in your secret diary where no one cares about your lies. Not here.

TYY

[Cuban_Liberal]

3. 2 chances: slim and none.

Sorry, folks, but that's my honest opinion.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

8. That's not even opinion

It's nearly a mathematical fact. But he is not, nor was he ever, seriously running to win. He's there to talk issues, and he's doing a good job of that.

[Mairead]

9. Check your facts, why don't you.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

14. Facts?

Fact is, Kerry and Edwards would have to start placing third or lower in just about every state with DK coming in first or second every time. That also means a huge surge for Al Sharpton would need to happen too. Two guys who barely have delegates at this point all of a sudden coming in first and second consistently? Short of Kerry and Edwards secretly being members of Al Qaeda and that fact being exposed, it ain't gonna happen. That is a fact.

[morgan2]

16. no it doesnt..

one can come in second and get 0 delegates

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

17. Where? (nt)

[morgan2]

18. delegates are awarded to those who get

over 15%.. Although its most likely that the second place finisher will get over 15%, its not certain. I'm just saying its possible, not probable.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

20. Fine

But this still would rely on a large surge from Sharpton to take votes away from Kerry and Edwards. Unless you really think Kucinich can take 70+% of the vote in a 4 man race somewhere...

[BL_Zebub]

27. Kerry's been exposed as a tool of PNAC

Who are terrorists every bit as much as Al Qaeda. As a matter of fact, a case could be easily made that Al Qaeda works for PNAC, (i.e. LIHOP/MIHOP)

[Piperay]

37. I agree and

"slim" just left town. I'm sorry cause I like DK (he's a vegetarian like me) but even if by some miracle he got the nomination he could never win the GE.

[scarletwoman]

40. If DK appeals to you, what about his proposals?

If you support his agenda, then there's no reason at all not to think strategically.

Here in MN I think you will see another big showing for DK, next Tuesday. It's foolish to surrender, we can still pull together a sizeable progressive delegation to take a place at the table at the national Democratic Party convention.

This could be one of the most historic conventions yet! If all the people who have been bitching for the last 3 years about the direction of the Democratic party would step up and cast primary/caucus votes for Dennis, we would have a chance of becoming an in person presence at the convention!

Isn't that worth SOMETHING?!

sw

[rucky]

5. Win win win

win win win win win win win win

what then?

anybody who thinks our problems will end in November is in for a shocker. This election is just one (important) part of a much bigger battle. A strong DK showing will help us all.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

15. I agree

A strong DK showing would help us all. I hope it happens. He still won't win though.

[Paulie]

6. People fly small planes, get cancer, implode

Quite a bit in politics, and in real life, that can prevent them from geting the nomination in Boston. Remember Gary Hart? Edwin Muskie???

That's why Dean and Clark should have stuck with it!!! Now look what we have for front runners! Jebbus!

Vote Ham Sandwich (D) in 2004....

[BL_Zebub]

28. Implode? Is Kerry playing drums for Spinal Tap now?

And Dean never said he was out :evilgrin:

[Protagoras]

7. I'm reminded of some Movie lines

Lloyd Christmas: What are the chances of a guy like you and a girl like me... ending up together?
Mary Swanson: Not good.
Lloyd Christmas: Not good like one in a hundred?
Mary Swanson: I'd say more like one in a million.
Lloyd Christmas: So you're telling me there's a chance?


:D

[morgan2]

10. a very small one..

but it could happen

[el_gato]

12. people blindly saying "unelectable" like a mantra

it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy

[Protagoras]

32. On the flip side...no matter how hard I flap my arms

I'm still not able to take flight under my own power. Sometimes wanting something very bad still isn't enough.

And much of what I see in this vein is predicated on an assumption that DK is actually saying enough things that a majority of voters do or would want to vote for him IF only they had a chance to listen to him. That's a pretty big assumption. How do we support it?

[idontwantaname]

13. its not just about getting elected...

its also about awareness and party progression.

...

right?

[JasonBerry]

19. Yes, actually, it is

If you aren't interested in winning, then electoral politics may not be the thing for you. There are a lot of good groups that advance this cause or that cause as single issue groups. There are even umbrella groups that advance a broader progressive agenda. But, when it comes to the standard bearer of the Democratic party, that person is nominated not as a symbolic figure of virtue, but a nominee of a party with certain broad ideals and they run TO WIN. The agenda of Al Gore is still in a drawer in my desk - gathering dust. Is it about getting elected? It is nothing if not about getting elected.

[Shanty Oilish]

21. I think he has better odds of becoming president than nominee

He could easily become the veep candidate. How many times has a veep become president? Whereas how many times has the presidential primary frontrunner won 18 out of the first 20 races and later lost the nomination to one who won none of those?
If you think it unlikely that Kerry would tap Kucinich, consider the alpha factor. The top man usually doesn't want an alpha at his side.

[Endangered Specie]

22. For those who DO believe he can win...

I have valuable land for sale on Pluto and Cheron

PM me about it, starts at $9,999 an acre. Will sell quick.

On edit: hurry its going quickly, reserves your today

[RichM]

23. A related question: Are there large numbers of courageous Democrats?

If most Democrats are docile conformists & unimaginative cowards, this might mean Dennis does not have much of a chance. If, on the other hand, there are great numbers of Democrats able to evaluate a political program on its merits, & able to make choices without listening to pundits, then Dennis does have a chance. It depends on the quality, courage, and independence of his listeners.

[dweller]

26. Ding! We have a winner!

interesting to 'see' the fear in the eyes at the mention of Kucinich in some threads here.

taking my stand beside the man, DK.
dp

[goodhue]

29. exactly correct

This is the question.

[scarletwoman]

30. Thank you, RichM!

Indeed, I see little enough to take heart with around these pages.

Luckily, I have many like-minded friends out in the physical world working their butts off for Kucinich here in Minnesota.

Our "Super Tuesday" caucus results may surprise some "conformists" yet.... :D

sw

[Desertrose]

34. amen!

a most pertinent question indeed.....

Peace
DR

[snoochie]

45. It does depend on the listeners.

As of now, they're still listening to the media.

But what happens after people hear that Greenspan said we have to cut social security benefits to cut deficits -- how many of them will wonder if stopping the war/occupation is maybe a better alternative?

What happens if news starts leaking out that the evidence to prove Iraq was no threat was known to bush, and all the IWR voters as well?

What happens after the Patriot Act is not allowed to 'sunset'? Will those that voted for it the first time now have the courage (in numbers only) to vote against renewing it? Allowing bush another opening to label them as wafflers (liked it then, don't now)?

Every news cycle is a very long time. There are many days before the nomination.

How many more Americans will decide that enough dying for privatized Iraqi resources is not worth it?

[WitchWay]

60. And only Kucinich told Greenspan to pack his bags...

and kucinich was the ONLY one who took an appropriately strong stand against Alan Greenspan's attack on Social Security -- calling for his RESIGNATION.

The debates are tonight (tomorrow)!

[littlejoe]

24. Of course not!

[lams712]

31. YES, but there would have to be some changes in ATTITUDE.

The media and many Democrats themselves have to stop the KNEE-JERK REACTIONS to Dennis, you know the same old bullshit about "too liberal" (whatever the fuck that means?) or "unelectable", etc.

I believe in an INTELLIGENT, ISSUES-ORIENTED CAMPAIGN Dennis Kucinich would have absolutely NO problems.

I DEMAND SUCH A CAMPAIGN AND HOPE MY FELLOW DUers WILL TOO!!!!

[Padraig18]

33. 'A' chance, yes.

But a very slim one, I'd say.

[robertpaulsen]

36. Until he is mathematically eliminated

there is a chance.

Go DK!

[jsw_81]

51. No, there is zero chance

To win the nomination on the first ballot, Kucinich would have to get 85-90 percent of the vote in ALL of the remaining primaries and caucuses.

[diamondsoul]

68. Nobody is going to win on the first ballot.

It's not possible with the delegate division as it stands now. Delegates pledged to Howard Dean, Wes Clark, Dick Gpehart and the others who have dropped MUST vote for the dropped candidate on the first ballot.

[Monte Carlo]

38. I have a chance to win the Mega Millions jackpot, too.

I could win $200 million dollars!

Maybe Kucinich's chances are better than that, but they're not much better. I don't want a longshot - I want a sure thing.

[Mairead]

65. "Kucinich's chances are not much better"

Yes, in fact they are so much better that there's simply no comparison. The bookies in London were giving only 200 to 1. Your odds of winning the lottery are far less than a million to 1.

And even more to the point, you can personally increase the odds of DK winning by 'buying tickets' with donations and your vote. You can do that with the lottery too, but the incremental difference doesn't begin to match the cost.

[youngred]

41. What's not to comprehend

That he's managed as well as he has with a COMPLETE media blackout is a testament to the strength of his ideas and those who believe in him.

[tobys]

43. A very strong chance, no less

[snoochie]

46. Of course

What's not to comprehend? He's done this well with no help from media, with no large seed donors, with no backing from the party.

Now the media is FORCED to say his name, and not to make fun of him, but to report that he's finishing in the top three.

I hope and I pray that those who prefer him (but have been successfully sold this 'no chance' line of horse manure) will find the hope and courage they need -- aided by his good showings lately and his consistent fundraising and support -- that they will vote for him in their primaries.

I believe in hope. I believe Kucinich has a chance. I have to. I was raised to believe in the best in everyone. If only that side of us were encouraged to develop and flower and express itself -- instead of only ever being encouraged to lower our expectations, to fear the worst -- to expect it, even.

I want my daughters' world to be a better one. For them more than myself, I must BE the change that I wish to see in the rest of the world.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

48. Agreed. "well with no help from media"

It is absolutely disgusting how obvious the media has become in their complete blackout of Kucinich.

The most annoying conclusion I ever read on DU is that obviously no one agrees with Kucinich or he would be polling higher and getting more votes. That is such an utter load of Horseshit. We on DU are privileged to have many avenues of information gathering. Most voters go by whose name they hear the most and who has more air-time on national 'news'.

Kucinich's ideas and integrity resonate with a lot of people. When he is heard and his positions on the issues understood, Dennis gets support.

Of course that does not mean he would garner 100% of the votes in the primary, but Kucinich would surely be getting 30+ percent of the vote a lot more often. I can gaurantee that.

TWL

[tkmorris]

49. I have this weird dream

Now, don't misunderstand. I don't really WISH bad things to befall Kerry or Edwards but........

Remember Gary Hart? Remember how he was just gonna steam along to the nomination but then WHOOPSIE! One frontrunner, now dead in the water. I mean totally dead, no chance, quit now, go home.

Now, what if something like that happened to both Kerry and Edwards? It would really suck for them of course, and it would no doubt damage the Dem party's credibility BUT.....

Kucinich would then be the frontrunner. The most liberal man to run for president in our lifetime. Now tell me, how cool would that be? Especially when scandal finally bit Bush in the ass and hard the month before the election. President fucking Kucinich.

Then I wake up. And cry.

:cry:

[jsw_81]

50. No

Kucinich has zero chance of being nominated, and zero chance of being elected. His showing in Hawaii -- an ultra-liberal state -- was a fluke.

[Dookus]

52. none whatsoever

Edwards would need to get 60% of the votes in all the remaining states in order to get the nomination. What would Kucinich need? 80%? 90%? It's not going to happen.

[jsw_81]

53. And even if Kucinich did win big on Super Tuesday (extremely unlikely)...

...the convention would almost certainly draft Gore or Hillary as a compromise candidate. Kucinich will NEVER get our party's nomination.

[Dookus]

54. no...

if Kucinich had the delegates, he'd be the nominee.

But he currently has 8 delegates.

He's not going to pick up an easy 2,000+ more in the next couple weeks.

[diamondsoul]

63. He doesn't need to, and BTW

Neither will John Kerry get enough before the convention.

[diamondsoul]

67. Oh and a correction-

Kucinich currently has 10 confirmed delegates and more due from Maine, number pending the official results.

[Mairead]

66. It's certainly apparent that YOU'll do all you can to prevent it!

But that's not to your credit at all, at all.

[WitchWay]

56. You BET he does!

[Doomsayer13]

57. This would need to happen

a) John Kerry AND John Edwards die in plane crashes - with the recent trend of Democrats dying in the air, I'm a tad scared actually

b) some sort of rediculous scandal which would tank Kerry's candidacy and throw the convention open, and then some sort of mass campaign would need to be waged to win the delegates over to Kucinich.

c) Kerry wakes up one day and decides he's not up for it, withdraws and endorses Kucinich.

Short answer - There's less than 1% chance that DK will be the nominee.

[jsw_81]

59. Even if both Kerry and Edwards quit, the nod would go to Gore or Hillary

The Democratic party would never nominate Kucinich much in the same way that the GOP would never nominate someone like Buchanan or Keyes (unless they went totally, completely insane).

[revcarol]

73. Need to go to DVD.

Have a broken record here.B-)

[WitchWay]

58. Kucinich LANDSLIDED Maui

Heres a nice article about Hawaii, in case you hadn't read it yet:

http://www.mauinews.com/news/story/0225202004_new01maui0225.asp

everyone -- vote for Kucinich. Kucinich took Maui with 56%...
If you go out, spread the excitement, convince those who are undecided, you will help get Kucinich WIN and if not win, get some power in the convention. This is very important.

Don't let anyone try to convince you that your vote doesn't matter -- and don't be defeatist. Kucinich is finally starting to catch on!

in this article, Kucinich brough on a 300% INCREASE in turnout from 4 years ago, converting greens, independents AND republicans to switch to the dem party just to vote for him. He did this by just campaigning one day in October, and one day before the caucus. IF this doesn't inspire you...

Clearly, Kucinich IS the most electable against Bush. They just dont' want you to believe it.

[Dookus]

61. LOL

The most electable against Bush? What does he poll now, nationally? About 3%?

He got 56%. Big whoop. Do you know how many votes that was? You should - the article you referenced says.

384

Yes, 384 votes.

THAT is going to propel him into the lead against Kerry?

[Kanary]

64. I gotta say this for ya...

You're consistant.

A ray of sunshine.

Your sig (both of 'em...) says it all..

Kanary :hi:

[Dookus]

70. OK

if it'll cheer you up. I was wrong. He got tens of thousands of votes in Maui, and with a little pluck and determination, he's sure to win the nomination.

Feel better?

[twilight]

75. Wow!

Thanks for sharing the great article!

I seriously believe that Dennis Kucinich has a REAL chance!



:dem: :kick:

[WitchWay]

87. Dennis is everything that America wants right now...

He really is. He's the one candidate left on the Island that I have trust in.

This year, after all the corruption and lies, people are going to want a candidate who IS idealistic, who IS ANTI-WAR, and who is honest. They are tired of lies, wars, corporate malfesance, and sleek bonesman. They want integrity and intelligence and this is where Kucinich stands above all of them.

I have really thought about what is going on, and i am CONVINCED that Kucinich really is the most electable.

The problem is, no one is wondering why it is that the media is giving Kerry such a free ride, while trying to sabotage Dennis.
Kind of makes you suspicious, huh?

[LWolf]

62. FROM THE KUCINICH LIST:

This week's topic: A BROKERED CONVENTION

This week I met several people who came down from Seattle to help get out the vote in California. I found out that Kucinich got 25% of the vote in counties - whole counties! - where there was a strong door-to-door campaign - and in one woman's precinct, he got 48%! Note to self: One-on-one discussion is the key to overcoming a media blackout.

I also learned how convoluted the delegate selection process is in the different states, and why Kucinich could well end up with far more than the delegates he has now... Kucinich isn't worried about the delegate count: He knows it will probably be a brokered convention in July.

For one thing, the delegate counts you hear about in the media are merely projections based on the statewide votes: Kerry gets 40% in Wisconsin; they give him 40% of Wisconsin's delegates. Kucinich gets 3%; they give him no delegates, because you have to get 15 percent of the vote to get even one delegate.

Two very important things they don't take into account: (1) The 15% minimum applies to each *congressional district* as well as the statewide tallies; and (2) Some states, such as Iowa and Washington, will take weeks to select their delegates, because they do not select them by direct vote; instead, they select county delegates, who then convene and select state delegates, who then convene to select delegates for the national convention in July. So
we won't have a final count for months, and it could change radically between now and then.

Here's another reason Kucinich isn't worried about his small delegate count: With 500 or so delegates projected for Kerry, and over 2,300 needed to win the nomination, he would have to get virtually all of the remaining state primary delegates, as well as most of the 800 or so
superdelegates, to win on the first vote, because he's only been getting 40-50% of the vote in the primaries so far.

All of the Dean delegates - and he's asking his supporters to vote for him anyway, even though he dropped out - and all of the delegates that were split by candidates that didn't get the required 15% vote - cannot go to Kerry on the first vote. Repeat: The "floater" delegates (my term, not the party's) cannot vote for Kerry on the first ballot at the convention. They cannot because delegates are pledged to vote only for their candidate on the first ballot, and these are not Kerry delegates.

Therefore, the nominee will not be selected on the first ballot. For the first time since 1952, this will be a "brokered convention."

You see, after the first ballot, delegates are not bound to vote for the candidate who sent them. But they can negotiate: If you want our block of delegates, you have to give us our plank in the party platform that the nominee runs on. Or you have to pledge to appoint our candidate to your cabinet if you win. And so on.

So, as Dennis says, this is the 135th mile of a 500-mile race, and a lot can happen between now and then. Who would have expected that Dean - who burned through the entire $41 million he raised last year in Iowa and New Hampshire alone - would have crashed
so spectacularly?

A lot can happen between now and the July convention. This is your once-in-a lifetime chance to vote for an honest politician. I guarantee you will not regret it.

Vote for Dennis Kucinich for President. He is absolutely incorruptable, a man of and for the people, the Abe Lincoln of our time. He is exactly what we have all been waiting for.

Pat Soberanis

[redqueen]

74. YES!

This will be a brokered convention, no doubt. And with the war dragging on, and "Iraqization" already stumbling, we'd better PRAY he's the nominee.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

76. Kick

I don't pray, but he is already my President! :)
(I stole that from someone here on DU :P)

[diamondsoul]

83. I think I'm your "victim" LOL

But it's cool. I took up that sig-line months ago and have always encouraged others to use it.

[Nederland]

77. At this point

Its almost mathematically impossible for Kucinich to beat Kerry. Kerry's lead is such that even if Kucinich won most of the primaries that are left, he would still lose to Kerry. I know that sounds ridiculous, but the same reality applies to Edwards. For all intents this race is over.

[no name no slogan]

79. There's still 70% of the delegates at stake

It's only 30% over, and even those 30% aren't completely allocated until after the caucus/convention process is over.

If Kerry wins, he won't do it on the first ballot. He needs to win each remaining race with at least 60% for that to happen. He hasn't done so yet, and even if he does well Tuesday, it's still unlikely he'll do so then.

Kerry's best hope is for a second ballot victory in Boston.

[Nederland]

80. Disagree

Kerry is going to win the nomination on the first ballot. You just wait and see.

[revcarol]

81. Dean's delegates and Clark's delegates are pledged to Dean and

clark and CANNOT vote for Kerry on the first ballot.(since their campaigns are suspended and they didn't 'drop out.')

So we know that HUNDREDS of ballots cannot go to Kerry on the first ballot, PLUS what Kerry will lose to Edwards, Sharpton and Kucinich before the convention. He has only been pulling a plurality in the elections, NOT a majority and not enough to exclude other candidates from getting delegates under the 15% rule.

Kerry must get 2,161 ballots to win the nomination. He won't have them.

But I won't confuse you with facts further.

[SahaleArm]

82. Not true - Delegates today will be whittled down by the convention.

Primary delegates will be filtered at the county and state level before reaching the national convention. If Kerry wins Super-Tuesday he will win on ballot #1 in Boston.

On Edit: In WA State we go through Legislative and Congressional District caucuses before choosing final delegates. Each level pares down the respective field.

[Nederland]

86. Obviously

...you don't understand how the primary / delegate system works.

But I won't confuse you with the facts.

[Stuckinthebush]

84. Statistically, yes...realistically, no

However, DK should stick it out because he has very important things to say. Also, his staying involved could help his chances at being a part of the next administration. I sincerely hope that happens.

But winning the nomination? It's not gonna happen.