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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 08:50 PM
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Ever notice how the issues dont really get discussed on DU?
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 08:52 PM by superkia
For the most part I only see people mimicking the MSM over and over again. The majority of the posts discussing the issues, involve Dennis Kucinich supporters. Have we all been dumbed down and brainwashed to the point that we only take the things that the media gives us, seriously? I would love to see less whining and fighting and more talk of the issues.

Where does your candidate stand on some of the important ones. I know Dennis Kucinich has been speaking out about the illegal war that he went to the floor and warned the rest of them about, the attack on the constitution, impeachment, not for profit health care as a right like the other industrialized countries and things like our government trying to force Iraq to privatize their oil. I am betting that no one will respond with where their candidate is standing on these issues and what they have said about them.

And we wonder why our country is going to shit, maybe we should stop blaming bush and look in the mirror because from what I see around here, we are only crying over spilled milk over and over again.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 08:58 PM
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1. Which issue would you like to talk with?
It is actions and soundbytes that are getting the attention now that the primaries have started.

Healthcare a good place to start?
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:03 PM
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2. I think the number one issue we face is the constitution, once...
our rights have eroded away, health care and the other issues wont matter because we wont matter either. What are the other candidates standing up and saying about things like the patriot act, I know Clinton said she would look at anything the Bush signed through and she would overturn anything that she felt was wrong but I haven't heard anything specific from her. I really havent heard anyone making our rights an issue and that scares me that a potential president doesnt feel the need to speak for the people about their rights being destroyed. Maybe its me and its really not an issue?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:08 PM
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6. No, it is indeed an issue
And with further erosions of the Constition on the horizon, it is important that we have all the candidate's take on what they will do about it. Kucinich has been the most outspoken about what he will do; that is why he is my candidate.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:37 PM
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10. Oh wait ,let's talk about the Iraq war.
Where does your candidate fit in. And then there is Iran. What do you think, should we elect someone who wants to go on in and clean them out as well? And about that oil? Where does that fit in with your 'guy'? Peace, Kim
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:04 PM
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3. DU goes through cycles. It's primary season so people are caught up in the hype. nt
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:06 PM
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4. Welcome to the circular firing squad
If you're looking for discussion of issues, you won't find it in GDP.

However, you will find partisan flamefests, innuendo and bullshit.

Enjoy your visit!
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:06 PM
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5. There have been a few threads on issues
one of them being mine. One comment made was that people didn't seem to be interested in discussing the issues. And one person told me issues weren't important, which I don't agree with; issues come first. You find a candidate whose stands on the issues are closest to your own.

I would be glad to respond on where my candidate stands on the issues, but you already know. His name is Dennis Kucinich. The two biggest issues for me are Iraq and health care. Kucinich has obviously walked his talk about that illegal and immoral war, and he is one of the sponsors of a house resolution about single payer, non-profit health care.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:36 PM
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9. dennis has been silenced
by the mainstream media and the democratic party....

"And if we don't say it's wrong then that says it's right"......

None Of Us Are Free -
None Of Are Free If One Of Us Is Chained
None Of Us Are Free......"

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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:42 PM
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12. Our top three 'Patriots' could not find it in themselves
to do the right thing and make sure that all candidates were included in the debates. I don't care if people think that Kucinich could never be elected, he needed to be in the debate to keep the discussion focused on the real issues. To keep the Homecoming court focused on what needs to happen in America so to speak. I have never seen so many people duped in my life. Peace, Kim
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:23 PM
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7. one issue that no one has really mentioned
is something big ed said a couple of weeks ago on his radio show---all these plans everyone talks about is meaningless unless we get 60 senators that will vote for the democratic party`s agenda in the house and senate. that`s just one, how many others are just as important that no one discusses.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:33 PM
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8. I would like to talk about the Patriot Act.
How does your candidate stack up on that? The Constitution is right up there and I would also like to discuss the Democratic Party impeaching these lying, stealing, murdering bastards. Yes, how does your candidate stack up on those issues?
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Konza Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:56 PM
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13. I'd love an energy policy discussion group
I just finished Zubrin's "Energy Victory". Great idea marred by excessive jingoism.
The basic idea is a federal mandate by the next president that by 2012 all cars sold in the USA must be flex fueled.
(Able to run on gas or alcohol fuels)
Before you say "That's crazy talk!" remember that Brazil did it and they are energy independent today. Also remember alcohol was the original fuel for all cars.
(See Internal Combustion by Edwin Black if you really want to get ticked off)
For less than $100 a computerized monitor in the fuel line makes this possible. This allows people to choose old fashioned gas or M85, or whatever mix they have available. It makes gas compete with an alternative fuel, instead of the petroleum monoploy we have now for transportation. It also allows us to create an alcohol based fuel system, where we can grow our own fuel, like Brazil does.
And no, it doesn't even have to be corn or foodstuffs based.
ANY biomass can be easily converted into alcohols using chemistry from the 1800s. Alcohol is also a cleaner burning fuel.It would liberate the developing nations, as well as us from dependence on the oil thugs.

Down sides:
It'll take 2-5 years for the infrastructure to emerge. But it'll be quicker than the internet and much more lucrative for the American farmers, producers and distributors.
Alcohol has about 60-70% of the energy, so you might have to stop for gas more. But it'd be less expensive and produced domestically, so deal with it.
American farmers would be making money, instead of oil companies, so Dick Cheney will be forced to shoot people. Again.
Saudi princes will have to find jobs.
Latin America and Africa will have economic clout and won't be so easily bullied by the Global North.
All of this will piss off a lot of very important people....
But it can be done.

Now combine a flex fuel mandate with investment in clean, renewable alternative energy; economic incentives for business to convert to non fossil fuel energy, and increased conservation...and we are on to something really, really cool.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:02 PM
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14. Good one! n/t
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:38 PM
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11. Kias are good cars.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:08 PM
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15. If the media gets their way, and the primary is "settled" in February
That gives us 6 months to debate issues. Specifically what this party's platform should be.

But just to get a headstart, I believe the best platform can be found here:

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/issues/

And whomever the (official or unofficial) nominee is, he (or god forbid, she) should adopt that platform.

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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:14 PM
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16. Talk issues?
Bwahahahahahahaahha!

That could get some candidates in trouble and their handlers would get upset.

In their world, a debate win is not making TOO stupid a mistake. Then again, I still ask Obama supporters, when they are not chortling sloganeering phrases, why no one picked up on Obama calling Pakistan a "DEMOCRACY" on ABC's Saturday Night debate.

OOPs..thats getting specific.
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