A female coworker called to discuss Hillary's crying.

[Renew Deal]

A female coworker just called me asking if I heard about Hillary crying. I said yes. She hadn’t seen it, so I sent her the ABC link provided on DU. She’s a 30 something low information voter and currently undecided. She prefers the Democrats. She’s aware of the candidates and issues, but is not as informed as DUers. Here’s her take:

She said that a female president represents the entire gender. She said that women will not like her crying because it makes them look weak as a gender.

She also said that a president needs to be tough, and she doesn’t want to see that side of a president.

She asked “well what is she going to do with Iran when things get difficult? Cry?”

She said that if Hillary ever had her vote, she lost it on this.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Did you tell her about the MLK thing?

[Renew Deal]

2. No

[TheDebbieDee]

3. What MLK thing?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Hillary wants to discredit Obama...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3981471

So when somebody compared Obama to MLK, she decided to discredit MLK.

Probably didn't mean to, but she sure stuck her foot in her mouth.

[Yael]

11. Painful

[aquart]

4. So she meant herself when she talked about "women"?

Yeah. It's probably over. Hillary was a horrible monster when she appeared strong, confident, and capable. Now she's weak because she cried from fatigue so they can dismiss her and still feel damned good about themselves.

But sexism isn't an issue.

[Renew Deal]

7. She brought up the strong thing too.

Actually, I forgot that. She said "How is Hillary going to go from being so tough, to crying?"

[Spiffarino]

19. Sexism is certainly the issue

...if crying is going to change a voter's mind about Hillary.

Crying can be good for one's spirit and I don't doubt every president has needed a good one now and then. I'll refrain from even attempting to judge her until I've seen video, but if she's faking it for votes...

[Yael]

34. I would have loved to have seen one, even keeled, on message Hillary

as opposed to the 40 different flavors they drug out to see what would stick.

[Spiffarino]

42. Hear hear.

I used to really dig her. Now I don't know who she is.

[terisan]

6. Sounds like a low information voter -just like you said.

Tell your friend to toughen up-with women like her we are in trouble. She sounds like an anti-feminist counter-revolutionary.

[goldcanyonaz]

12. Exactly, a low information Phylis Shlafly type woman voter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly

[ButterflyBlood]

27. Then she wouldn't prefer the Dems

n/t

[Cha]

8. I haven't seen nor do I know

the context..it's hard to say what's gonna on. We know bush cried and the m$$m prolly thought it showed he cared about the troops he sent to their deaths.

[goldcanyonaz]

9. Oy Vey! What a reach.

[Deep13]

10. Double standard. If it was any of the rest of them,...

...it would be seen as an emotional moment. Because it is Hillary, she is weak.

General Grant cried after a major Civil War battle once, perhaps Cold Harbor. The defeat of the Union forces that day had been extremely costly and Grant knew it was his fault. He broke down completely that night and sobbed his eyes out. He wasn't crying the next morning. As always the orders were to advance and pursue the enemy.

Crying does not equal weakness and if people were a little more honest with their feelings we would not have so many problems today.

[Adelante]

23. I've seen General Clark tear up several times

and nobody ever said he wasn't tough enough for anything that could come at him.

[Renew Deal]

26. I've seen that too.

And I know for a fact he's tough as nails.

[Adelante]

29. He was talking about Rwanda on one of the news shows one time

I was so proud that he was such a brave man to reveal so much of his heart.

[Kahuna]

30. You can seriously equate a battlefield general crying to a

candidate who isn't getting her way.

[Quixote1818]

40. Thank You. nt

[CarbonDate]

46. I find the comparison deeply offensive.

Comparing campaign stress to combat stress? I cried once or twice while I was in Iraq. Always in private. It was stress from, you know, the constant threat of sudden death hanging over my head.

That said, I didn't see crying in the clip. I saw an attempt to appear vulnerable and sincere. Was it acting, or just letting down her guard? I don't know. But it wasn't crying.

[Deep13]

47. Yes. Anyone who thinks a presidential campaign is not an emotional trauma...

...has no idea what is involved. It is the pressure that does it. I saw on Nightline last night a couple of RW asshole chanting "Iron myshirt!" to HRC as she was hurrying to a campaign event.

[truebrit71]

51. No kidding...

Seriously :wtf:

[JVS]

43. How many people died in the Clinton campaign in the last week?

[Deep13]

48. That's not the point and you know it.

If you think Grant was crying for his dead soldiers then you don't know Grant. It was the psychological pressure (which included the waste of lives) not the result. Children of divorcing parents are often diagnosed with PTSD. PTSD is also called shell-shock, battle fatigue and Post-Vietnam War Syndrom. No one has to die for the pressure to be real.

When I was writing my post, I knew that I was potentially inviting the criticism you made, but I assumed DUers knew better. Unfortunately, I am disappointed again.

[RoadRage]

13. Is there a link

to Hillary crying.. if so, please post?!

[Renew Deal]

14. Here you go

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4097366

[formernaderite]

15. that's uncomfortabel to watch

and yes, I've never been a hillary supporter. I actually thought she did really well in the debate the other night...i never heard shrillness, just her making a point. But uhm....this...well, not a fan of the ueber emotional. i'd be a bit grossed out even if it was one of the guys blubbering.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

21. I, one the other hand, really appreciated it and did not see any "blubbering".

I thought she was sincere, I thought she was genuine and did not see "crying". Sheesh. :eyes:

And, I'm leaning Edwards, but come ON. MKJ

[kstewart33]

16. Hillary was crying? That's not what I saw.

Geez louise, she tears up a bit and she's crying? Is she aware of the multiple times that Bush has "teared up", you know, the guy who supposedly represents the entire male gender (what nonsense).

That babe's vote isn't worth the time or trouble.

[Renew Deal]

18. I think it's more of a gender issue than a electoral issue

Her take was more from the female gender rather than as a voter. There's a thin line between the two right now.

[Spiffarino]

20. Same thing I was thinking

"I'm a loving guy..."

Oh yeah, I remember that very well. It was the one time I thought I could like him.

[rucky]

17. Gender roles have really fucked things up

for normal and secure individuals everywhere.

[eileen_d]

22. I think your coworker is really overreacting

or, more to the point, your "coworker" is "overreacting"

[Renew Deal]

25. I think it's like Hillary's outburst at the debate the other night

Different people will see it different ways. It's all subjective.

[IronLionZion]

24. tough people don't cry? oh whatever

Why do people hate our troops so much? Why do they hate Americans? Why hate someone who shows their feelings?

[ButterflyBlood]

28. Let's hope most women are like your co-worker

Anything else to bring down Hillary and anoint Obama as our nominee!

[eileen_d]

31. Well that's not very classy. nt

[Renew Deal]

32. Somehow I suspect you're not an Obama supporter.

They don't say shit like that.

[kstewart33]

37. Seems like decency has left the building.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

33. Sad. We'll have equality when one female DOESN'T represent her entire gender

[ElizabethDC]

39. That's exactly what I was going to say. n/t

[Onlooker]

35. She sounds like an idiot

That's why she wouldn't vote for a candidate? What a studpid reason. Bill Clinton once cried when talking about troops who died in a terrorist attack (maybe the USS Cole). I suppose she wouldn't vote for him either.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

41. Oh but, he didn't represent his whole gender dontcha know.

:eyes:

[suston96]

36. Women sometimes cry.......

[kstewart33]

38. So does my husband.

But by the standard that many are applying tonight, that means he is not a man.

God help us.

[gdaerin]

44. Yep, and if this had been a man

he would lose the same votes over it, possibly many more!

Again, I ask, who is giving Hillary her advice, because whoever that is, they Don't want her to be president!!

I sure hope, for her sake, it's not Bill, although that would not be surprising.

Seriously, she's a Bill enabler, how can I support her? How many women have put up with abusive men, do we want a women who never left Bill to be the role model of our daughters?

[OHdem10]

45. Tell the woman GWB says "I cry a lot". Is not at all embarassed

to admit it. No matter what your opinion of job as President
he is tough.

[fightindonkey]

49. Yes, Well If You're Friend Said It...

OP, going for dumbest post of the day.

[no name no slogan]

50. If that is what passes for "crying" these days

Then what Dean did in 2004 must count as climbing the clock tower.

It's a totally bullshit moment being played up by EVERYONE as something that it is not. So she got a little emotional, so what? I'd hardly call that crying.

Now, Nancy Kerrigan after she got kneecapped, THAT was crying.