Challenge to all the Obama haters

[XemaSab]

*If* Obama wins the nomination, will you support him fully as our candidate going into the general election? :shrug:

[mike_c]

1. I'll have to see what the third parties have to offer....

I might still vote for Barack Obama in the general election-- it will depend on what he does and says during the campaign, and how well he represents my political interests. If the GE were held today, I'd say it's unlikely that I'd vote from Senator Obama-- I'd likely vote third party if there were a better candidate there and not vote if there wasn't. The current incarnation of Obama is just too complacent about the status quo for my tastes. Sure, Obama will be an historic president no matter what he does or doesn't do, but America needs FUNDAMENTAL change, and Senator Obama just doesn't seem to offer that outside of the history he'd make just by being elected. I want more than that.

[sandnsea]

66. Oh You Are My Project

I'm coming after you my friend!

:)

Start here

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

[mike_c]

68. thanks-- my internet access has been spotty...

...so I just got your reply. I'll check it out. Looks like Clinton and Obama are neck and neck in NH right now.

[bigwillq]

2. He will get my vote

and maybe even a lawn sign.

[ronnykmarshall]

4. I don't know about the lawn sign.

I know that if Hillary doesn't win, my next bumpsticker will be 01/20/09 - The End of An Error.

I can't see myself putting an Obama sticker on my car.

[Alexander]

10. Your grapes couldn't be any more sour.

[IndianaJones]

18. maybe he's one of those sock puppets. nt.

[bigwillq]

15. I put up a sign for Kerry

and I didn't think he was the best candidate in 2004.

I don't think Obama is our best candidate this year but when these primaries are over and the voters had their say, I will support the nominee despite some personal reservations on a few of the potential nominees.

[ronnykmarshall]

25. In my neighborhood it doesn't matter anyway.

The majority is working class latino families with a strong democratic majority. (this is my new neighborhood I'm moving to) All of my elected officals city and state are all democrats.

[Kucinich4America]

3. I would vote for Obama in the General Election, should he be the nominee

How enthusiastic my support is, would depend on what he says and does between now and then.

Let me also add that I am not an Obama "hater" by any means.

[SaveElmer]

5. I don't hate Obama...and will support him if he wins...Edwards on the other hand...

Well...

[LSK]

6. can non-Obama haters vote?

:shrug:

[XemaSab]

8. Sure!

:D

[LSK]

13. Choice 1

:D

[XemaSab]

14. .

:woohoo:

[suston96]

7. Nobody here hates any candidate......

...that would be a sign of immaturity and ignorance.

[XemaSab]

11. I've seen a couple threads today comparing him to GW

:eyes:

[suston96]

17. Comparing him to GW? So?

I would like to have a few beers with Obama, too. Maybe shoot some pool or some baskets......

[cali]

20. Oh, how interesting. I suppose you really wanted to have a beer with bushie too.

Not me. If I got the time to spend with Obama I'd rather discuss the Constitution with him or community activism or what he thinks regarding the U.S. role in the world. You seem a bit more into the frivolous.

And you're disingenuous as hell. You know perfectly well that comparing any dem to bushco is as big an insult as there is. I dislike that kind of passive agressive bullshit- and you tossed it out there.

[suston96]

40. Uh, the thread is about hate...I spoke up against hate.....

Having beers with people instead of shitting on them prevents angry confrontation if not physical harm.

I'll stick to having beers and shooting pool or shooting baskets WITH people I don't like, rather than taunting them or just plain outright hating them.

Hate described on these threads and on forum board everywhere and anywhere else, comes from a lack of maturity and circumspection regarding what politics is really all about.

[progressivebydesign]

28. No, comparing his following to GWBs following. big diff.

there were posts about how obama has the adoring fans... just as GWB did... not the same as saying he's like bush, but he has that whole adoring fans thing in common with him.

[XemaSab]

43. That's still pretty insulting, no?

:shrug:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

37. Oh it gets worse. He got compared to Hitler by one poster. nt

[progressivebydesign]

23. You're joking, right? The hatred of Clinton is palpable, and disgusting. n/t

[KennedyGuy]

9. sorry..I'm not an Obama Hater

more an Obama disagree'er..
but after the divisivness this has caused..I will either go 3rd party or stay home.

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[LSK]

19. I guess Iowa did not happen last week???

How blind can you be?

[cali]

26. watch it, *cupcake.

no one but freeper types have alleged that Obama sold drugs. Pretty clear what gutter YOU came out of.

Take your racism and other slime and crawl back under your rock.

*for cupcake, please use your imagination.

[ronnykmarshall]

29. Cupcakes can be mean!

[MrCoffee]

31. what do i have to do to get you to pastrify me?

:cry:

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[Kucinich4America]

32. Yeah, you're just being "real"

A REAL Klansman, by the sounds of it......



"We don't want none of them uppity ni****s for president"

[mrreowwr_kittty]

38. I can't believe you forgot to mention he's a Muslim!

Damn, who's paying these trolls?

I will give him extra points for the Skinner conspiracy angle.

[Kucinich4America]

45. Actually, the "Skinner conspiracy angle" just proves this racist can't read.

Skinner posted a similar thread promoting Hillary. I'm sure he's got an Edwards thread in the works. I wouldn't presume to guess his actual preferences, but it seems like he's staying "officially" neutral.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

48. Oh don't count our plucky new troll out just yet.

I'm sure he's got a litany of irrational misogyny ready to prove that Murka ain't ready for no bitch to be Preznit neither.

[KitchenWitch]

41. The state of Iowa is like 92% white. And although I prefer Edwards over Obama

If Obama gets the nomination, I will be voting for him. And unlike you, I do believe this country can and maybe will elect a president who happens not to be a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Male.

[I was just saying...]

46. The state of Iowa also wants its millions every four years.

All they did was try to seem to be cool enough to vote for a black man so all the
attention will return 4 years from now. That caucus situation is most intimidating
and seemed like a 'herd mentality' and groupthink combined. Neither IA or NH is
representative of the rest of the most populous states who are 'naturally cool' and
don't have to try as hard as IA and NH.

[LSK]

47. a state wanting to be "cool"???

You have to be the dumbest person in the history of DU!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

50. If Iowa wants to be "cool" why would Minnesota want to miss out?

Other states wouldn't want to be stuck looking hopelessly passe'.

[KitchenWitch]

52. Minnesota, North and South Dakota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Nebraska...

:crazy:

[LSK]

54. they are so lame

B-)

[KitchenWitch]

51. Okay, who pays Iowa the "millions" that you have asserted they get paid???

We really need an exploding head smiley, because my head just exploded.

[I was just saying...]

64. The candidates, the staff, the tv commercials, journalists

and all those hokey coffee shop, barber shop, and restaurants of the great people of the
midwest. Corn-ee.

[KitchenWitch]

67. I am pretty sure the Revenue Collection department in the state of Iowa would beg to differ.

ANY state can decide when to have to have their caucus/primary. It has NOTHING to do with money.

However, Iowa being first has everything to do with Iowans wanting to be heard in the process. Quite frankly, once the candidates are chosen, Iowa and other small electoral vote states will no longer get any attention from either the press or the candidates themselves. Nothing to do with money, everything to do with having their voices heard and be counted.

[Midlodemocrat]

62. Aren't you precious. *pinches cheeks*

[The Night Owl]

16. I will fiercely support whoever the Democratic nominee for president is.

For the record, I don't hate Senator Obama. In fact, I admire the man a great deal and I think he would make a great president. I just think that Hillary Clinton is a better candidate.

[progressivebydesign]

21. You know what's sad? the Obama supporters on DU have turned me against him.

At first I was interested in what Obama had to say when the season was getting started. After researching him, and Edwards, and Clinton, I was leaning more toward the Edwards and Clinton. Obama seemed okay, and I wouldn't discount supporting him completely. I just felt that Edwards, and moreso Clinton, represented where I am personally and politically.

Then... I started coming back to DU (I've been here since 2001). Here I was witness to the ugliest, most aggressive, and nastiest, political supporters since ventured over to Freeperland for shits and giggles a few times. Those supporters? All Obama's fans. Seriously. Edwards supporters are by far the NICEST. I would have no qualms about not only donating my time, but money, to him should he get the nod, or Hillary drop out of the race. Obama? Based upon the nasty-ass attitude of his supporters (some I suspect are PAID TO BE HERE), I will hold my nose and vote for him to keep a repub out of office. The level of gleeful attacks on Senator Clinton perpetrated by Obama supporters rivals anything I've seen on DU before. To the obama supporters here: In your breathless and heartless attempts to knock down the other candidates, you've done two things: 1) strenghtened the resolve for those that support the candidates you relentlessly attack. 2) Make sure that those that don't support Obama now have an ugly taste in their mouth whenever we consider having to vote for him. The obama supporters are driving people away from him.

[cali]

30. You know what's sadder?

Much sadder? That you'd let people on a political website influence your vote like that. That's just pitiful. And I find Edwards supporters insufferably self-righteous. So there you go, it all depends on the lens you use.

[I was just saying...]

42. Excellent post, grounded in reality. I suppose Clinton supporters

such as myself can and are getting hot under the collar at these upstarts. We should
and could get mad as hell and take action. Hopefully,
if America's democracy is still worth its salt, the grown-ups will rule the day.

Its either Hillary Clinton or Mayor Bloomberg to save America from itself.

[bpeale]

60. thank you. (Edwards supporter here)

in my experience here on DU, Edwards supporters do not get nasty, do not argue and stay out of the dust-ups always happening here. IMO, they are more focused on their candidate & less on bullshit from other supporters.

[JuniperLea]

65. Indeed

First it was Clinton, now Obama... the insults don't do a thing to help further their causes. It reminds me of Fundies trying to cram religion down someone's throat... it only makes matters worse. Do you know what's sadder still? You've been insulted by stating your opinion. Sickening.

I'm still undecided.

[Skip Intro]

22. I'll consider my options. nt

[Egnever]

24. other ...I hate loayalty oaths

People should do what they believe is right and damn the party. when we vote for party over principles we get the worst representation possible.

[LSK]

27. or we get George Bush selected in 2000

[avaistheone1]

34. I am really getting sick of the Obama hater routine

I would be tempted to vote against him myself, because I am getting very tired of the "hater" label when applied to anyone who critiques or does not favor Obama.

It is a an ugly misnomer and you know it.

[anamandujano]

49. Yes, they are drama queens.

How do they manage to work up so much fervor for such a fluffball?

[calico1]

35. I don't hate Obama.

I am just not enthused by him, that's all. A lot of pretty, fluffy talk doesn't do it for me. I want something more tangible and so far I just don't see it.

I *will* vote for him if he is the nominee. More than wanting my candidate to win, I want the Democratic candidate to win and take back the WH. But he will get no donations from me. Unless of course from here to then he does something that really impresses me.

[damntexdem]

36. I'm not an Obama hater, but I'm an Edwards supporter.

And, yes, I'll support Obama, with enthusiasm, even. We need to end the GOP control of the presidency: including that of the Clintons.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

39. There was needed a distinction based on whether we live in a red, blue, or purple state

If you live in a solidly red state, voting or not voting won't make any difference anyway. Dem votes aren't counted in solidly red states anyway. It's mostly the purple states where this question applies. If I lived in a purple state, I would vote for Obama. I don't though, and right now I don't think I will vote for him. Whatever the case, it won't affect the outcome of the race. And if Obama is the nominee, of course I'd want him to win.

[KitchenWitch]

53. Blue votes are not counted in Red States?

That is news to me...

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

55. Well not in the presidential race

Obviously, and remember I said *solidly* red. Is it news to you that there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that Obama or any other Democrat could win Kansas for instance?

[KitchenWitch]

56. Okay, electoral college

got it now.

[Beacool]

44. I'm with the "I'll hold my nose" crowd.

I'll drag my carcass to the voting booth in November, but that's about it. No campaigning, no buttons, no signs, will not remove Hillary's sticker from my car and certainly not a dime to the national party.

I will, though, work hard at the local and state level for our guys.

[ronnykmarshall]

58. Same here

If he gets the nomination, it will be the first time I won't have any merch supporting the nominee. No money, nada.

I'll vote absentee and be done with it.

[Tarc]

57. Obama is about 4th down or so on my choice for the primary

but he is certainly leagues above any of the Republican possibilities.

Curious to see 8 votes for the two "vote republican" options. Either we have some no-life FReeper trolls kicking around, or the Naderites are even dumber than we thought.

[progressoid]

59. Obama haters?

[sakabatou]

61. I'm still going to vote for my man Kucinich.

[snagglepuss]

63. Obama haters? Gimme a break. There are many valid reasons for not

jumping on Obama's feelgood, lets-all-make-nice bandwagon and those reasons have nothing to do with hate.