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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:08 PM
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Can this be true? Has Edwards pledged support for BushCo's endless ME wars?
Someone please tell me this is NOT true. Is the Baltimore Chronicle a reliable source of news & information??
If this IS true, I'm flabbergasted that our Dem dark-horse populist anti-corporatist supposedly anti-war candidate
is pulling the wool over our eyes... Arrrgghh ... someone, please tell me it isn't so.

Edwards Veers Hard Right, Supports Escalating Middle East Conflicts
by MICHAEL CARMICHAEL
“This week, during a speech at the Herzliya Conference, a major international gathering dedicated to Israeli security and diplomatic issues, Edwards stuck to his hawkish positions on Iran.”—The Jewish Daily/Forward

John Edwards promised to be a progressive candidate, but he now appears to be a devotee of the Democratic Leadership Council who is obviously under the heady ether of the Israel Lobby.

In a shocking development, John Edwards cast aside his progressive veneer and veered to the hard right to support the escalation of Bush’s wars in the Middle East to engulf Iran.

During a lamentable speech he made to an audience assembled in Herzilya, a city named for the founder of Zionism that is located a mere 20 miles from Tel Aviv, Edwards sanctioned a U.S. war against Iran, denied the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group (ISG) and bashed the Palestinian people.

According to a report on the website TotallyJewish.com, John Edwards proclaimed his support for the neoconservative agenda of the Israel Lobby, and he even echoed the bellicose rhetoric of George Bush vis-à-vis Iran — “Hinting to possible military action.” Edwards has now become the official candidate of the Israel Lobby for the Democratic presidential nomination.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/012907CARMICHAEL.shtml
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:09 PM
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1. It was perfectly true at the time
But he has since changed his tune.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:15 PM
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4. "This story was published on January 29, 2007." sez the byline at the bottom
of the article. I was puzzled that there was no date printed at top of article where it usually appears, but Jan 29 2007 is noted
at the bottom as the date published, which I didn't even notice until I rechecked it after your post.

So has Edwards publicly disavowed this pledge to the Israeli lobby? I know he's had to explain his vote for the war while in Senate,
but I hadn't heard him state a disavowal of this pledge specifically.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:35 PM
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19. I don't remember clearly, I'm sorry
After this came out there was a huge uproar about it and then Edwards gave an interview, maybe with Ezra Klein or the Washington Note or something, where he gave an explanation that seemed to satisfy his critics. I don't recall what it was exactly.

OK, I found it on Google:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_02/010678.php

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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:29 AM
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39. Cool. Thanks for the link. I'm still a DK refugee JE supporter. I just had to know.
what the fuck was up with this, as the date was so unclear in the article.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:32 PM
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17. Yeah, he changed his tune
when he saw a majority of internet polls had Kucinich and his anti-war and anti-corporatist the winner by a landslide.

He will say anything to be president. After all, he admitted much the same in an article in LBN:

"This is the call of my life, and I have no intention of stopping," Edwards said on ABC's This Week.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3126973
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:11 PM
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2. dated almost a year ago
still that is pretty hard rehtoric and its only a year old, im gonna have to think hard about that one.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:18 PM
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7. Thanks. I didn't notice a date anywhere at top of article where it generally appears.
so just went with it.. but have since rechecked and found the date in tiny print at very bottom of article as Jan. '07.

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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:19 PM
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8. most articles have the date in url but its only 6 digits smashed togethr
if you look you will see 012907 in the url of the article.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:11 PM
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3. It's a hit piece
Yes he was there and yes he gave a speech in support of Israel. Google it and you can make up your own mind, but his position is no different than any of the others. And he certainly did not bash Palestinians.

This ia a disgutsting piece of crap.

Shame. shame. shame.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:17 PM
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6. here is my question
did he spew iran war rehteroric only a year ago?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:22 PM
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11. alas, that part is true.. n/t
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:30 PM
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16. man jsut as i was growing up and giving into the fact
that kooch has no momentum i was taking a warming to edwards, but with war rehtoric only a year ago this has me floored. IMHO america is now freaking screwed we have no one, no champion, no knight in shining armor. welcome facist corpratism.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:06 AM
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35. I'm a DK supporter too, leaning towards Edwards. Don't give up on Edwards.
At least not on the basis of this article. That was not my intention in posting it .. to trash JE .. it was a sincere
attempt to get clear on if this was still his position, which it isn't..

I mean, this was a year ago that Edwards said this shit... it gives me pause too, but I'd still prefer him to either
Obama or Hillary... people change, grow up, and as John resonates with more and more voters with his more radical
anti-corporatist message I think it will also change HIM .. for the better.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:34 PM
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18. Less than a year ago, Valerie Plame stated on Democracy Now
that Iran had a nuclear program. I'm sorry. I'm pretty sure I heard her say that, but I cannot find a link for the interview. Does anyone else remember that? Can anyone find a link? I'm certain I did not dream this. If Plame thought that Iran had a nuclear program, it should not be surprising that others also thought that. Now that the NIE is out, those who formed opinions about policy based on that premise should change their opinions. Edwards' opinion at this time is clear.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:07 PM
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30. Plame was not in the intelligence commitee...Sy Hersch had already wrote about the NIE
And a lot of people - such as Wes Clark were warning everyone about the BFEE poised to start another war. Someone doing penance for co-sponsoring IWR had no business fueling that fire.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:35 PM
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20. Times, they are a changing.
Being a populist president can't be easy these days. How does one measure the will of the people, when the media has successfully silenced their voice? The answer is, that everything is changing at a much faster pace because of the blogs.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:13 AM
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36. exc post
this is a great post, because, the 'news' article is written so nastily, and clearly tries to paint him very negatively and you point out it's not different than any of the other leaders in this race. Isn't it amazing that certain 'journalists' will write clear hit pieces. OK, it's not amazing, but it sure would make me cancel my subscription, but it sounds like the chronicle aint my kinda paper! ha
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:26 AM
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38. Please don't mistake my OP as an "endorsement" of the article. I sincerely was concerned
and wanted to know what the deal was with this, as I was shocked to learn it myself. :wtf:

The article wasn't dated in any way I could find when I posted it, as the date didn't appear in the usual place along with title, author, etc.

When someone said it was a year old, I went back to see if I could find a date ANYWHERE ... I had to dig down into the fine print at the very bottom of the page to find the date in small print.

Sorry if I ruffled your feathers with my post. I'll try to be more careful in the future to make sure I know the date before posting.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:16 PM
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5. All you have to do is follow the links to the text of the speech that was
supposedly given via satellite sometime in 2007. I can't find an exact date on it. The article itself is inflammatory and provocative, purposefully. You could have checked this out yourself before posting this here. But it sounds like you were concerned.

http://www.herzliyaconference.org/Eng/_Articles/Article.asp?ArticleID=1728&CategoryID=223
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:21 PM
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9. I WAS very concerned, since I'm a Kucinich supporter leaning towards Edwards
sorry for any confusion as result of post. the date didn't appear at top where generally it is, so I didn't know it was so old (jan 07).

please be assured I intended no slur on Edwards if this article is bullshit, I'm sorry.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:23 PM
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12. I can't find a date either.. so its not you :-)
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:10 PM
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31. Jan 23 2007 - when Raw Story printed the transcript. less than 1 year ago, AFTER
seing the light on Iraq. In the middle of a lot of information about Cheney's plans and lack of nuclear weapons in Iran (Sy Hersch wrote about the stashed NIE already)
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Ineedchange Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:21 PM
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10. I'm going with this is just cheap propaganda
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 09:25 PM by Ineedchange
Activity to shut down his candidacy will be laced with a lot of mis-information. Don't enable the liers. Check for 1 source information, ie the Edward web site or send them an e-mail before repeating it on any blog or e-mail.

Go to Cspan and listen to one of his townhall meetings he states he will not have any lobbyist working for or in the white to include lobbyist that support foriegn governments, ie Isreal. If you don't think the Isreali lobbyist don't understand his code you are mistaken. Thay have big money to float a lot of mis-information.

http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/iran/
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:26 PM
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14. Actually, though this article is a smear
the speech that he made did contain a promise to Israel about Iran and not taking any options off the table and reinforcing the whole Iran as a threat to Israel thing.

And btw, you just look uninformed when you don't bother to learn how to spell Israel.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:15 AM
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37. Look, I'm an Edwards supporter, ok? But I'm not so naive as to ONLY read his website
to find out information about his or other candidates positions. The article IS a year old, which I didn't know when I posted it (the date was in fine print in a tag at very bottom of page, not at top as it is generally) ... so there's that. People change, learn and grow; and I'm still giving John the benefit of the doubt ... hoping and trusting that's what's going on here with Edwards. Just wanted you to know.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:25 PM
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13. He was very complimentary of Sharom.....
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 09:35 PM by FrenchieCat
Edwards' speech transcript:
http://www.herzliyaconference.org/Eng/_Articles/Article.asp?ArticleID=1728&CategoryID=223
herzliya conference in Israel-January 21-24, 2007.

Shula Bahat, Associate Executive Director of the American Jewish Committee, introducing Edwards: The AJC is a global, international American Jewish organization working all over the world. We are a nonpartisan NGO and we do not endorse any candidate. It is important for you to know that. Earlier today there were some questions about the erosion of Jewish support. My viewpoint is that America is different. This does not mean that it will remain this way. Israel enjoys bipartisan support, and the Jewish organizations are here to ensure that this support continues.

The issue at hand today is the Islamic totalitarianism as reflected by Iran. I do believe that there is a grassroots affinity toward Israel based on a shared sense of the threats articulated after 9/11. Getting involved in the body politic of the United States is common activity of all Americans, not just Jews. Jews are not different in that regard, but are respected for their representation in all parties in the US.

I am proud to present to you Senator John Edwards.

Senator John Edwards:

It’s a great privilege for me to be able to participate in this conference which has played an important role in bringing people together from all walks of life. The Herzliya Conference is a great forum for what is happening in Israel.

I am aware that it was at this conference that PM Ariel Sharon gave his courageous speech outlining his disengagement. He helped Israel face some of its major challenges.

Throughout his career and public service Sharon has shown courage, including his historic decision to evacuate Gaza. More than anyone else, Sharon has, in my judgment, believed that a strong Israel is a safe Israel and that Israel needs to defend itself against security threats.

We also need to remember the three soldiers and their families for whom it is well past time for their return home. They are a symbol of the extraordinary challenges facing Israel and Middle East. One source of strength is the bond between Israel and the United States, which is a bond that will never be broken. For more than half a century both countries have benefited from this alliance. We share common values such as freedom and democracy. I was in Israel in 2001 and I’ll never forget just as I was ending my visit, a Hamas suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew up the Sbarro pizzeria. It made an impact on me to see the extraordinary sacrifice made by the Israeli people everyday. They continue to make sacrifices to ensure your security and achieve peace. I saw firsthand the threats you face every day. I feel that I understand on a very personal level those threats. The challenges in your own backyard – rise of Islamic radicalism, use of terrorism, and the spread of nuclear technology and weapons of mass destruction – represent an unprecedented threat to the world and Israel.

At the top of these threats is Iran. Iran threatens the security of Israel and the entire world. Let me be clear: Under no circumstances can Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons. For years, the US hasn’t done enough to deal with what I have seen as a threat from Iran. As my country stayed on the sidelines, these problems got worse. To a large extent, the US abdicated its responsibility to the Europeans. This was a mistake. The Iranian president’s statements such as his description of the Holocaust as a myth and his goals to wipe Israel off the map indicate that Iran is serious about its threats.

Once Iran goes nuclear, other countries in the Middle East will go nuclear, making Israel’s neighborhood much more volatile.

Iran must know that the world won’t back down. The recent UN resolution ordering Iran to halt the enrichment of uranium was not enough. We need meaningful political and economic sanctions. We have muddled along for far too long. To ensure that Iran never gets nuclear weapons, we need to keep ALL options on the table, Let me reiterate – ALL options must remain on the table.

The war in Lebanon had Iranian fingerprints all over it. I was in Israel in June, and I took a helicopter trip over the Lebanese border. I saw the Hezbollah rockets, and the havoc wreaked by the extremism on Israel’s border. Hezbollah is an instrument of the Iranian government, and Iranian rockets allowed Hezbollah to attack and wage war against Israel.

I cannot talk about the war last summer without referring to the Syrian role in destabilizing area. Syria needs to be held accountable. Syria has recently called for peace talks with Israel. Talk is cheap. Syria needs to go long way to prove it is ready for peace. It can start by not harboring terrorists and ending its nefarious relationship with Iran.

While Iran is the greatest threat now, but just as alarming is the one on your doorstep. Hamas, with Iranian support, doesn’t make any mistake of its intentions to wipe out Israel, and repeatedly makes calls to raise the banner of Allah over all of Israel. Israel made many concessions. Many settlers gave up there land in order to advance peace.

Israel can take more steps to advance peace like bolstering Abbas against Hamas. While Israel is willing to go back to negotiating table, little has been seen on the Palestinian side. We instead have seen chaos and violence on the street, and no revocation of violence against Israel.

Outside assistance to Palestinian governance is not an entitlement. The US and Europe need to ensure that money going to the Palestinians does not go to lining the pockets of terrorists. For peace, Israel needs a partner.

Absent this partnership, Israel not only has the right to defend itself, it has an obligation to defend itself. This means continuing to ensure Israel’s military strength, diplomatically and economically. The hurdles are clear.

For too long, the current US administration’s commitment to this issue has been halfhearted. Now, on the backdrop of Iraq, they have tried to bring the two sides together. This is especially significant since they have squandered America’s moral authority in the Middle East and around the world.

We should be finding ways to upgrade Israel’s relationship with NATO. This could even some day mean membership. NATO’s mission now goes far beyond just Europe. Therefore, it is only natural that NATO seeks to include Israel.

Your challenges are our challenges. Your future is our future. The US will continue to stand by you. God bless you.

Question and Answer:

Cheryl Fishbein from NY: When you do learning of Jewish texts, you give credit to ideas of scholars who have helped you ask questions, I would like to give credit to my friends and colleagues who have had this same overriding question of shared a existential threat: Would you be prepared, if diplomacy failed, to take further action against Iran? I think there is cynicism about the ability of diplomacy to work in this situation. Secondly, you as grassroots person, who has an understanding of the American people, is there understanding of this threat across US?

A: My analysis of Iran is if you start with the President of Iran coming to the UN in New York denouncing America and his extraordinary and nasty statements about the Holocaust and goal of wiping Israel off map, married with his attempts to obtain nuclear weapons over a long period of time, they are buying time. They are the foremost state sponsors of terrorism. If they have nuclear weapons, other states in the area will want them, and this is unacceptable.

As to what to do, we should not take anything off the table. More serious sanctions need to be undertaken, which cannot happen unless Russia and China are seriously on board, which has not happened up until now. I would not want to say in advance what we would do, and what I would do as president, but there are other steps that need to be taken. Fore example, we need to support direct engagement with Iranians, we need to be tough. But I think it is a mistake strategically to avoid engagement with Iran.

As to the American people, this is a difficult question. The vast majority of people are concerned about what is going on in Iraq. This will make the American people reticent toward going for Iran. But I think the American people are smart if they are told the truth, and if they trust their president. So Americans can be educated to come along with what needs to be done with Iran.


--------also, Edwards in his own words at an APAIC conference:----

"For years I have argued that the United States has not been doing enough to deal with the growing threat in Iran," Edwards said. "While we've talked about the dangers of nuclear terrorism, we've largely stood on the sidelines as the problems got worse. I believe that for far too long, we've abdicated our responsibility to deal with the Iranian threat to the Europeans. That is not the way to deal with an unacceptable threat to America and an unacceptable threat to Israel."
http://www.cjp.org/page.html?ArticleID=121568
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:38 PM
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21. it seems the warmonger from edwards
was directed at iran during the uranium enrichment program, before the report stating iran is not creating nuclear weapons. has he made any statements changing his position on iran since then?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:39 PM
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22. He made this statement when there was no proof of anything....
except for Cheney's sabre rattling.

Just like there was no proof of WMDs, only talk about it, back in 2002....when Edward co-sponsored the bill called the IWR blank check for Bush to get his war on.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:43 PM
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24. right i know
what i want to know is has he retracted his war mongering for iran since the report stating that iran is not a nuclear threat.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:46 PM
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34. I'm sure he has said "sorry" since.......
as he has done consistently. He's pretty consistent about that, if nothing else.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:14 PM
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32. The NIE report has been around for a year - Sy Hersch wrote about it
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 10:16 PM by robbedvoter
People who wanted to know, knew. Kinda like with the Iraq war....


MATTHEWS: OK. I just want to get one thing straight so that we know how
you would have been different in president if you had been in office
the last four years as president. Would you have gone to Afghanistan?

EDWARDS: I would.

MATTHEWS: Would you have gone to Iraq?

EDWARDS: I would have gone to Iraq.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3131295 /
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:29 PM
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15. Is this article from a spoof site?
The lead article is about Jews evacuating during a fire alarm, going to the bar and not going neurotic. The not going neurotic part is the headline. Doesn't sound like a genuine story to me.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:43 PM
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25. There were a number of articles at the time
There have been many threads on DU about it. There is no question it happened. He gave this speech by satellite to that conference and he said what he said. Then he explained his remarks some days later.

Here:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_02/010678.php

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:40 PM
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23. ... "So, I just want to get it very clear, you think that attacking Iran would be a bad idea?" Klein
Klein asked Edwards. "I think would have very bad consequences," Edwards responded. Klein asked, "So when you said that all options are on the table?" "It would be foolish for any American president to ever take any option off the table," said Edwards.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Edwards_Iran_must_know_world_wont_0123.html
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:44 PM
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26. that sums it up very nicely thank you.
and i once again have faith in john, he showed intelligance in his answer and true wisdom in his explanation for his iran stance.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:58 PM
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27. His own words - and this would be the "reformed" Edwards, the "sorry for Iraq" Edwards
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 10:03 PM by robbedvoter
You have the text of his speech here - after the article. His own words



Edwards: 'Iran must know world won't back down'

Ron Brynaert
Published: Tuesday January 23, 2007

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Edwards_Iran_must_know_world_wont_0123.html
excerpts:
Under no circumstances can Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons. For years, the US hasn’t done enough to deal with what I have seen as a threat from Iran. As my country stayed on the sidelines, these problems got worse. To a large extent, the US abdicated its responsibility to the Europeans.
snip
To ensure that Iran never gets nuclear weapons, we need to keep ALL options on the table, Let me reiterate – ALL options must remain on the table.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:00 PM
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28. But that was eons ago.
Ancient History! :sarcasm:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:02 PM
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29. Yup. 347 days without declaring a new war - and going! Man's a saint!
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 10:12 PM by robbedvoter
:shrug:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:45 PM
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33. I heard this speech on NPR last January
and I was pretty shocked. He was really throwing the red meat. Apparently he delivered it by satellite and got a roaring ovation.
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