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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:58 PM
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BILL ALSO CRITICIZES OBAMA, EDWARDS
Sticking to today's campaign theme, Bill Clinton said today that the choice for voters on Tuesday is not between change and experience, but actions and words.

Speaking to an overflow crowd in the North Country region of the state, Clinton referred to last night's debate as the "classic example" of this choice. "They want you to believe it’s change versus the status quo or change versus experience," he said. "Hillary wants you to believe it’s words versus deeds, talk versus action, rhetoric versus reality. You gotta decide who's right."

Clinton specifically focused on the exchange in which candidates were asked how they had brought about change. Without naming names, he noted that Edwards' example -- the Patients Bill of Rights -- didn't pass. And Obama's example, lobbying reform -- included loopholes. He then cited multiple examples that he said Hillary had achieved, some as a partner with him while he was in office, others on her own in the Senate.

"There’s a difference between talk and action," he said. "It makes a big difference if you’ve actually changed other people’s lives, and if it’s the work of your life."

Clinton also again tried to correct what he said was a flawed "narrative" in the race -- that Obama has been a pure anti-war voice. "Senator Obama’s tried to beat the livin' daylights out of Hillary and everyone else about this. But in 2004 at the convention he said he didn’t know how he would have voted," he said, adding that Obama claimed no difference between his position and George Bush’s on the war."It’s inconsistent with the narrative, that he was always against the war, and everybody else was for it,” he said. "It was far more complicated.”

However, as we mentioned earlier, Obama -- just before the 2004 Democratic convention -- said MUCH more than he didn't know how he would have voted on the Iraq war. "What would I have done? I don't know," he told the New York Times. "What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made." And: "What I don't think was appropriate was the degree to which Congress gave the president a pass on this."

Clinton spoke for over a half hour, and took more than an hour's worth of questions. While answering another one of them, he took a little credit for his punditry. "I told Hillary a year ago that what is now happening would happen," he said. "Everyone said, 'Well, she’ll get nominated easily but she’ll never be elected cause she’s so polarizing.' I said, ‘That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Everytime people see you... You will have more trouble getting nominated than you will winning the election."


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/06/554193.aspx

C'mon Bill, keep that band playing on the Titanic.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:59 PM
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1. Today's Clinton campaign theme is the same as yesterday's theme -- ATTACK!!!!
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:01 PM
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2. Bill, Pappy is calling you
Get yer ass home RIGHT NOW.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:03 PM
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3. Don't worry Bill. You won't have to bullshit about your wife that much longer
You'll get your life back by around February 6th or so, Bill. As you have suspected, she'll drop out of the race by then. It's only about one more month.

:thumbsup:



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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:40 PM
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4. What a sad ex-president he has become
When he made the commercial about Katrina sitting next to Poppy, it confirmed to me what he is truly about.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:45 PM
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5. Shut up, Bill. if you'd had any honor you'd have resigned when caught
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 06:46 PM by mnhtnbb
lying about 'that woman'. Al Gore would have become President. No doubt it never would have been so close the Bushies could steal 2000. So shut up, Bill. Just shut up and go away.

On edit: and take Hillary with you. Let her make cookies for the Senate.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:47 PM
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6. OH, THE HUMANITY
Seriously, I am sick and tired of Bill Clinton. He's not a saint. However, he was the best damn Republican president since Eisenhower.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:59 PM
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7. Oh c'mon. At least admit he was awesome in this speech.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:02 PM
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9. DAMN YOU
I was hoping it was a link to Big Dog's Tonight Show appearance after the DNC in 1988.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:00 PM
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8. heh

My poll numbers are thiiiiis big.
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