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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:04 PM
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Obama seizes on Clinton's 'false hopes' warning
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Obama seizes on Clinton's 'false hopes' warning

by Mike Dorning

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“For many months, I’ve been teased, almost derided for talking about hope. We saw it at the debate last night. You know, one of my opponents said, you know, we can’t just offer the American people false hopes of what we can get done.”

“False hopes,” he repeated the phrase, as if in amazement.

“Well, it’s true I talk about hope a lot. Out of necessity. I was not born to wealth or privilege…The odds say I should not be standing here today…But the implication is if you talk about hope, then you must be engaging in wishful thinking, your head must be in the cloud, you must be naïve.”

“That’s not what hope is. Hope is not blind optimism,” Obama continued, transitioning into a meditation on the meaning of hope that he has been including in his stump speeches recently. “Hope is the complete opposite. I know how hard it will be.”

As Obama regularly does in campaign appearances, he portrayed hope as the animating force behind great movements in American history running from the Revolutionary War through World War II-era struggles of the Greatest Generation and onto the Civil Rights movement and a bond that joins his followers with those moments.

It is one of the emotional high points of his stump speech and today he used Clinton’s comments as a foil. He offered his definition of hope—familiar to many Christians because it draws language from a Biblical definition of faith as belief in “things unseen”--as a defense against her statement, which he appeared to connect with cynicism.

“That’s what hope is: imagining, imagining and then working for and fighting for what has not been done before. Believing in things unseen. Believing despite evidence to the contrary that there is nothing we cannot do as long as we’re willing to make the effort and cast aside the fear and the doubt and the cynicism.”
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:06 PM
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1. Just say her name, stop being a wimp. Your opponent, hillary Clinton,
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:17 PM
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2. Wimp? He's being a gentleman. He doesn't have to say her name; it's
obvious given the context and to anyone who watched the debates.
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forsberg Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:19 PM
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3. Sounds like more pie in the sky preacher-talk from an empty suit
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:44 PM
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20. O RLY?
I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."

But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone.

And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead.

We cannot turn back.

There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. *We cannot be satisfied as long as the negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their self-hood and robbed of their dignity by a sign stating: "For Whites Only."* We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until "justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."¹

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. And some of you have come from areas where your quest -- quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.

Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.

And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of "interposition" and "nullification" -- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; "and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together."²

This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go back to the South with.

With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning:

My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.

Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride,

From every mountainside, let freedom ring!

And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.



And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire.

Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York.

Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of
Pennsylvania.

Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado.

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California.

But not only that:

Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia.

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee.

Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi.

From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:

Free at last! Free at last!

Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!³

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forsberg Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:46 PM
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21. blah blah blah
We're trying to win an election here
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:50 PM
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22. .
:rofl:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:52 PM
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23. Orally?
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 03:04 PM by HypnoToad
Everyone's favorite method?

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:25 PM
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4. There we go
I watched his event yesterday and when he starts talking about what hope is, the hard work that people put into meeting their goals because of hope - hell there is no stopping him. That statement by Hillary was stunning. It'll sink her if it takes hold.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:25 PM
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5. He can't run on experience so he has to run on hope and change.
This is his whole campaign. What else can he do but try to defend his nice words and pie in the sky promises?

I personally an not ready to by into his suggestion that he can lead us into a new era and make the changes he claims. I have heard wonderful speeches and powerful words before- and that is all they are.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:27 PM
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7. And Hillary can't run on being a progressive, so all she has is the status quo to run on.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:37 PM
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15. she also has the Bill Clinton presidency to run on
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:32 PM
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12. really? Why can't he run on his 7 years as a State Senator, his 3
years as a U.S. Senator, and his years as a Constitutional scholar and lawyer for the disenfranchised.

And how the fuck would you know that his words are simply hollow?

You don't.
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:25 PM
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6. Good for him! She has no clue what the hell is going on with voters.
Which is why every time she opens her mouth she puts another nail in her coffin. She is to pathetic to be feared.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:28 PM
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8. "Believing in things unseen"
No, I tend to believe in things I can see, Barack. I'll pass on another faith-based president.

And what a condescending statement: "That's what hope is.." Thanks, Senator! Thanks for explaining the power of imagination to me! Now I'm off to Never Never Land! Weeeeee!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:32 PM
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13. I'm right behind you.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:29 PM
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9. She thinks she can snicker her way to the nomination
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 02:35 PM by BeyondGeography
Take your hope and go suck on it people, time to select a president.

It's funny.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:31 PM
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10. "False hopes" is what we got when we voted for a Democratic Congress that did not defund the war!
Hillary's cynicism is evidence that the fossilized Democratic establishment that she champions needs to go!
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:31 PM
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11. Yawn! Oh wow, Obama is the only one who is a visionary-not.
More feel good words. We need Obama because he is the only one who can dream and work hard. We can do anything if we roll up our sleves and work hard at it. I think many Democrats have already done this and continue to do it.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:37 PM
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16. Hillary's vision consists of pushing for the reactionary Israel Lobby agenda
which has already cost over 9,000 American lives in Iraq, and many more if Hillary gets her way and the US/Israel bomb Iran.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:37 PM
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17. "How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world"
Sound familiar? Nice sentiment, and I'll vote for someone who inspires me, someone who will put his actions where his mouth is. Bottom line, I trust the guy more than Clinton.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:18 PM
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26. Hillary has a different vision also. She sees the world from the eyes of a woman.
When is it going to be a woman's time to shine?
Did you ever consider that the men's club in Washington and in corporate America do not want to have to take a woman seriously or take orders from her?

Oh, and those words you quote come from a young woman.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:34 PM
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14. Never enter into an existential argument about "hope" . Either way
you lose.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:38 PM
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18. Onward Christian Obama!
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:41 PM
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19. Edwards is angry and annoying. Richardson is irrelevant., and
I like Obama, but he is running as a symbol. He’s the vessel of change and hope. Very appealing in a classical sense, but can he actually do the job? So that leaves HRC and she too is very appealing in a classical sense, and she can actually do the job.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:54 PM
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24. And... Hillary is going to lose the nomination. We need to keep a couple of fighters
in the mix, yanno, just to keep getting the people's message out there. That's all :-)
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:56 PM
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25. I don't think Hillary's going to lose the nomination,
I don't think Edwards has a chance in hell, but Clinton's still in it.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:21 PM
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27. "Believing in things unseen" - rofl. Maybe he can put together a magic act after he conceeds.
He sounds like a flim flam artist.

No thnaks, Obama.
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