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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:32 PM
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Cell Phones are playing a part in wacky Poll Numbers
Many people couldn't figure out how Obama beat Clinton by 9% in Iowa when they were tied neck-in-neck in the polls going into the Caucuses (and Obama was even behind in some polls).

Is the "Cell Phone Phenomenon" becoming more of an issue?

Obama won 4 to 1 in the 18 - 30 demographic (the one I fall into). Many MANY of us do not have land-line phones (I do not). Thus, I will never be called for a poll.. nor will any of my friends. I have 1 friend that I can think of who has a land line because she works from a home office.

If that big of a chunk of the population isn't being polled.. and is stronly for one candidate (Obama) - are we going to continue to see "Obama Surprises" over the next few weeks?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:34 PM
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1. I don't have a land line and support Obama
But I imagine it's a demographic that's spread across candidates.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:40 PM
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6. I agree.. but I think it hits Obama a lot heavier..
Think of every college kid voting - not one of them has a land line on campus, and they are turning out to be a huge factor in this race. Beyond that.. once the graduate, they don't get a phone.

I do know that people in their 30's, 40's, 50's & beyond are dropping thier land lines as well.. but at a much, much slower pace.

I would see this as probably a 5% - 10% bump more for Obama then the other candidates, just because he pulls many more of the voters in the demographic least likely to have a cell phone.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:35 PM
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2. Before Iowa, young people weren't considered "likely" voters.
I always told my students that if they turned out on election day, they'd change the country, because nobody would be expecting them.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:38 PM
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5. Now they only have to make sure their voting registrations can't be challenged
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:37 PM
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3. Great point.
I never get polled anymore.

Because of the ZIP Code in which I reside, I used to be barraged with polls.

No more land lines, no more poll calls.

I had never connected the two until now.
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:37 PM
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4. I think polls aren't reliable for a number of reasons
But I think it is a surprise factor for everyone.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:41 PM
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7. The cell phone is undoubtedly the #1 status symbol for youth today...
and this is from 7th grade through college. These are the people that are thought to be for Obama except that no one knows for sure on a geographical basis.

Yup, have a cell phone and you won't be polled.
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:43 PM
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8. If this is true, it's an interesting "repeat" of sorts
Of the Truamn/Dewey election where Truman was holding up a paper that read, "Dewey Defeats Truman," because the paper's polling was on of the first major ones done by telephone, and only the more well-off, who tended to skew for Dewey, could afford phones.

TlalocW
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:46 PM
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9. It does have some similarities...
The older, more "wealthy" have the landlines.. and the younger mobile generation does not. Who sits still at home long enough to answer a telephone you can't take along with you on a night out? LOL..

And the no-polls / telemarketers are just a bonus.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:49 PM
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10. I don't have a land line either and I support Obama. I hope we do keep seeing Obama surprises.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:50 PM
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11. No landline for me and my family and we all like Obama and Edwards. nt
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:52 PM
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12. I do have a land line (for emergencies) but I NEVER answer it
I'm over the 18-30 bracket by quite a bit too.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:55 PM
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13. The state polls...
...are very different from the national polls.

I'm in Iowa, and we had so many national polls declaring that Hillary was ahead--or that it
was a tight race, with Obama, Clinton and Edwards pretty even.

You had to be in Iowa, but it was apparent that this was not the reality on the ground.

I kept saying on DU---the national polls are useless if you're trying to gage how well a candidate
is faring in a particular state, where there is a vigorous campaign happening.

The state polls are more accurate. However, they are not totally reliable. If CNN does a poll
in Iowa, and randomly calls Iowans and asks them, "Are you likely to caucus?" "Who are you supporting?"
"How certain are you?" you get a sampling better reflect what is happening in the state. However, people
want to believe that they'll be involved. They're more likely to say they'll caucus/vote--because they
don't want to appear apathetic or unintelligent. The results get skewed, because many of these
people don't show up or they really could care less.

The truth is--the internal polls from the campaigns---which directly poll registered voters who have
voted in past elections--are the most accurate polling data. These people are engaged and most likely
to turn out. A couple of high-level Iowa Dem operatives talked about how Hillary's people were worried,
a week prior to the caucuses, because her numbers were not well and she was significantly trending downward.

The wider your sample--the more Hillary's name recognition and "inevitability" meme carries
over into the poll result. Those wider samples diluted reality--or what real, serious voters would
actually do on caucus night.

If you look at Iowa---and focus on Iowans who were politically engaged--her "inevitability" went right out the window,
because there were clearly other good candidates in the field. Many were attending their events, listening to them
and asking them tough questions. All of a sudden "inevitability" didn't make much sense any more. Also, the power
of her "name recognition" evaporated. No one cared what her pedigree was, they saw her and judged her as a candidate.
You can see this happening in NH as we speak. Obama was behind before Iowa, one day post-Iowa--he's ahead by a few
points. The latest polls have him ahead 8-10 points. Once this train rolls through a voting state---this campaign
changes EVERYTHING.

As you said, I think we'll continue to see the "Obama surprises". However, it's due to the national trends being
completely converted once voters meet, hear, test and question these candidates.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:03 PM
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14. Great Info..
Thanks. When you were doing your polling though - you were not able to call cell phones, even if they were previous voters, correct?

It would be nice to see someone do a study on this - but i'm not sure how anyone would go about doing it!
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