Meet the Press: Hillary can't fight back against Obama because he's an African-American.

[Karmadillo]

One can't expect much from MTP, but this was simply ridiculous. I think it was McMahon(?) who stated something to the effect Hillary needed to consider whether it was wise to push on into February because if she won at that point, it would tear the heart out of so many who had put their hopes into the Obama movement and the drive for the first African-American President. Not a single panel member pointed out what an absurd statement this was. The first woman with a real chance at becoming President isn't supposed to fight for the office. It was OK and even laudable for Edwards and Obama to attack Hillary, but turnabout is unfair play.

I guess we got our answer as to whether Obama would be vetted before winning the nomination. Of course, once the Repblicans want him vetted, I bet the corporate media will be all too willing to take on the job.

[Colobo]

1. It's a ridiculous point.

[Karmadillo]

5. And one Obama wouldn't want anyone making on his behalf. He needs

a contest. As much as I think he's unfairly benefiting from the unfair treatment Hillary gets at the hands of the Corporate Media now, if he's handed the nomination, the media will turn it against him during the general. They'll point out they would have vetted him if only Hillary had stayed in etc. Too bad we have to do it now etc.

[babylonsister]

8. Handed the nom? I think not; he's earned every vote, against great

odds I might add.

[Cha]

27. You're falling into their trap..the m$$$$$$m's.

Nobody is getting handed the damn nom..that's why hillary's inevitibility isn't so inevitable anymore because Edwards and Obama are out there Working for it!

[Cha]

25. It is stupid like the m$$$$m, itself.

They're only after controversary and manipulation..nothing to do with facts.

[Deja Q]

2. Did she pay them to say that? After all,

"Is America ready for a black president?"

She said that.

Not me.

BTW: Hillary had to whip out her hubby to defend her. (So that's why she didn't divorce him!) Where the hell is everybody calling all the reverse-sexism? What if Obama and Edwards had pulled out their spouses to help them? Infernal, the level of hubris and impudence, and sexism too.

[Cha]

29. Chris Rock said when asked if America

was ready for a Black President.."America was ready for a retarded monkey as president".

hillary is their candidate..they're there to cover her flaws(huge mofos)and point out the flaws in the rest of our candidates.

[babylonsister]

3. Face it. Hillary can't fight back because people LIKE Obama.

Not so much with Clinton. Spin it any way you want.

[elizm]

7. Which is the point McMahon was trying to make, I think....

Although I think some misread or tried to twist what he was saying.

[davsand]

23. Hil is in a tough spot right now with this race.

She probably needs to go negative in order to point out any flaws in Obama's positions.

If she does go negative it only re-enforces a negative perception that some folks have about her (left over from her tenure as First Lady.)

If she goes negative it further illustrates Obama's point about attacking opposition rather than trying to work together to improve the nation.


It is a bad place for any candidate to be in, and I am not sure there really IS any way for her to counter it successfully. She can't put somebody else out front to counter it because even that is suspect after the earlier stuff about her campaign.

[Cha]

30. All Edwards or Obama have

to do is point out the truth about hillary and her surrogates start moaning. Whatever situation hillary is in is of her owning devious devices.

[Drunken Irishman]

36. Bingo. I actually feel bad for Hillary.

Because she's closing in on a no-win situation here. Attack and look bad, or don't attack and become irrelevant.

[PDittie]

4. Talk about inevitability.

Its name sure ain't Hillary any more.

[Sulawesi]

6. Agree, dumb, they should have let Sharpton win last time??

[Quixote1818]

9. Didn't Mark Rich of the NYT say the same thing? nt

[elizm]

10. Read the transcript..the question was whether the Clintons would have to go negative...

..if Obama wins on in to Feb. 5th. McMahon responded by saying he didn't think the Clintons wanted to be seen that way. I think everyone needs to wait for the transcript so you can see what he ACTUALLY said. He DID NOT say Hillary shouldn't fight for the office....but was attempting to give reasons as to why it would be unwise to go negative on Obama.

[Quixote1818]

11. Self Delete. nt

[elizm]

12. Hmmm....a Mark Penn tactic. How transparent. nt

[Quixote1818]

16. Do you think that came from Penn?

Could be, I never thought of that but I wouldn't put it past him.

[elizm]

17. I'm saying YOU posting it here is a Mark Penn tactic. nt

[Quixote1818]

20. No, look back at my posts from last night.

I have been supportive of Obama and critical of Hillary. It's going to get sent all over the country regardless but I took it down because I don't want to help that effort. It was a mistake to post it.

[elizm]

21. Thank you for removing it.

:hi:

[cali]

15. please don't post this racist filth here

I've alerted, but it would be nice if you deleted it yourself. It's been posted multiple times, and the mods have locked two threads that led with it. We know the pukes will use these vile tactics, but we don't need it here. I'm not sure why you think we would.

[Quixote1818]

18. Done.

[cali]

28. thanks! n/t

[OHdem10]

13. These same 60s types Matthews and Russert are creating

more and longer racial intolerance. Two whole sections of the country
perceived they had race crammed down their throats in the 60s.
All day long the last couple of days. Perception is their reality.
This does not mean I believe they were correct to believe this.


The Clintons cannot attack Obama==He is black is the unsaid but
understood.

Now they are saying in the General Election they are saying the
GOP cannot attack Obama. The unsaid---because he is black.

My point, over the long haul this hurts more than it helps.
It creates impression Obama cannot win without the Press propping
him up. It contributes to more racial division.

This in no way reflects against Obama. Overzealous insensitive
reporters.

[suston96]

33. Obama wouldn't be here if he wasn't black.....

Look at his resume'. What is there? Candidate for change? Change what? The status quo?

What does that mean? All those white men have been there? Time to give the colored folks a chance at the biggest piece of pie?

How about giving a woman that same chance? Wouldn't that be a change?

"Change"? A word that has no meaning or foundation in reality and may only succeed in increasing expectations in people which will never be realized because nobody, but nobody defines either "change" or its traveling companion - "the status quo".

[ecstatic]

14. I just saw that too, but I agree with everything the guy said

I can see that scenario playing out exactly as described. For now, Clinton still has tremendous support from the black community. However, blacks are watching on with excitement and intrigue as Obama rises in the polls. If Obama wins NH, I can't imagine Clinton being able to secure the "black vote" anymore. And negative attacks against him would not play well at all...

[elizm]

19. It would not play well and not the way the Clintons would want to be seen/remembered...

Which is EXACTLY what McMahon was saying. It made complete sense but many here who DID NOT hear it in context are trying to twist it.

[DrFunkenstein]

22. And She Definitely Can't Fight Against Richardson...This is Stupid

Russert always brings out a cavalcade of knuckleheads. No reason to think he'd change now.

[I was just saying...]

24. Hillary was wise to do so. MTP and Tim Russert are corporate

MSM shills and Bushbot operatives. Remember Plamegate. He was a witness and transcripts have Cheney
gushing about how MTP willingly broadcasts Whitehouse viewpoints. So much for our free press.

That Tim Russert is out to destroy Hillary's campaign was also evident with the first debate
hosted by Tim Russert and that other co-anchor. She was being set up, even by the positioning on
stage - like pieces on a chessboard - from the jump the first question was fired at her. Hillary was not only up against eight contenders but two referees were opposed to her as well. She did well to still be standing after that.

[zulchzulu]

26. "Ed Muskie in a pant suit"

That pretty much sums it up for me.

As for your assessment, I have no idea where you pulled that out. I'm watching the commentary right now and there was nothing to the sort as you mentioned. What they talked about was that if Obama gets the next few victories and goes into South Carolina, the black vote will be overwhelming in numbers and will be solidly for Obama.

Hillary obviously has been attacking Obama (remember the kindergarden story?) and it's fallen flat. She's going to get slaughtered on February 5th and won't make it to Wisconsin. Count on it.

[Clanfear]

31. The more obvious point in that discussion

Was that Obama inspires people, Hillary does not. And that fact is very much at the root of Obama's popularity. Most voters are not policy hacks, they vote with their heart. One can talk about experience and the like, but unless you inspire people it really doesn't mean much.

[JVS]

32. Never have Americans sat back and allowed the honor and dignity of a black man to be besmirched!

:dunce:

[Forkboy]

34. Obama can't fight back against Hillary because she's a woman.

Which is just as stupid as this is.

[killbotfactory]

35. If by "fight back" they mean calling him a drug dealer, and a muslim sleeper agent

Then, yeah. Because it's kind of racist. Those will be the issues Republicans trot out, and they will be largely perceived as the racists they are.

If they mean issues, then they are morons.