All the hate I'm hearing about Hillary tonight

[Catherine Vincent]

You'd think that hate would be directed toward Bill O'Reilly, but no, nothing but Hillary hate.

Nice going.

[Forkboy]

1. Why BillO? Other than the usual reasons that is? And what did he have to do with the debate?

[Captain Hilts]

2. Gibson deserves it. I hope he's wearing a cup for the walk to his car. nt

[aquart]

3. It's not because she's a woman, however.

Before they said it was because she was the frontrunner, but now she's not. Yet...still the hate is utterly disproportionate to anything she's ever done.

Might make some wonder. Nah.

[Forkboy]

5. You need a new gig.

[Skittles]

7. that "gig" is a very good point

it ain't right, holding HRC to different standards

[Forkboy]

13. No, the claim that it's all due to sexism isn't a good point.

And that is the claim he's trying to make. Yes, there is sexism towards Hillary. No, not all the criticism here is due to that, as aquart would like people to believe. He has repeatedly fallen back on that charge regardless of the criticism being leveled, and it's not any more fair to the people that have genuine issues with her than the true sexism is to Hillary. To insinuate as he did that the criticism going on now that she isn't the frontrunner is all sexism is wrong, and weakens the charge when true sexism is being used against her. :shrug:

[Sparkly]

17. There is a definite double-standard here. nt

[Forkboy]

19. At times, yes there is.

I'm not arguing that there is no sexism against Hillary. I've seen it, both off DU and on (sadly). However, the attempt to broadbrush any and all criticism of her as being sexist is nonsense, and that's what I'm commenting on.

I just hope Skittles doesn't kick my ass for it. :)

[Skittles]

22. not a HRC supporter but even I can see she's getting treated completely different

from any man I have ever seen run for president......sure, that's not necessarily the complete reason she's not the forerunner but no matter, it still STINKS

[annie1]

10. certainly an element of that disproportionate hate is b/c she's a woman.

[Hieronymus]

29. You're sexist.

[sniffa]

4. .

[RichGirl]

6. Just tonight?

It's all the time.

I would consider the criticism if it were more in line with the criticism of the others, but it's way over the top. I believe it's men who feel threatened by the possiblity of having a woman president. It may change the dynamics of the male/female relationship. Also insecure women and those who think she shouldn't have forgiven Bill. All of our opinions, whether you believe it or not, are personal.

[Cameron27]

36. Yes it is all the time,

and it's so frustrating to watch it happen. She can't win. No matter what she does, it will be picked apart on DU.

[annie1]

8. It's really disgusting.

[MichiganVote]

9. Trolls and more trolls

[Catherine Vincent]

11. Correct!

But it appears a lot of progressive men are not too keen on strong women either.

[Pastiche423]

12. "Strong" is not the best adjective I'd use for her

Elitist is more like it.

[Kucinich4America]

15. Exactly

..and I'm sick of having to justify my non support of an elitist corporatist on a "progressive" Democratic board.

[MichiganVote]

31. Oh who gives a damn....

[Pastiche423]

41. I give a damn

I azm sick to death w/the elitists in this country and I do not want another one as pres.

[spooky3]

24. unfortunately, the same can be said for some progressive women as well.

It's disappointing that some DUers can have this blind spot, but we've seen it before.

[gmudem]

48. Or maybe

We just don't like corporate candidates. Just maybe.

[dugggy]

21. Sure, throw out the T word, instead of a valid counterpoint.

[stillrockin]

33. No, not trolls. Sentient beings.

[Little Star]

14. Not to mention the tag team boys on the stage!

I could stop supporting JRE for that!!! I'm a woman for cripes sake and that childish shit really pisses me off! They need to grow the F up!!!!!!!! Fight their own fights! Don't gang up on anyone much less the only F ing female in the race!!!!!

[fadedrose]

16. It goes back to Bonior, Dean,etc.

Bonior (Edwards' main man now)was House Majority Leader (or Whip?) can't remember. He fought against Nafta, Clinton voted for it.

Bonior was so popular around MI that the Reps redrew his district (under Gov. Englert) so that he couldn't possibly win, and they got some dumb Rep lady (Candace Miller) to represent my district.

When Bonior ran for Gov, Granholm got the nod from the DLC and Bonior didn't get the nomination. Probably because he was anti-Nafta, which is the same as anti-Clinton.

Then there was Dean...the Clinton machine overran him and said he wasn't electable. Dem pundits on TV (Carville) were constantly on his case and had nothing good to say about him... I liked Dean.

So when a lot of us seem to hate Clinton, maybe we do, some of us. But with me, it's more of a distrust. How far will they stoop to control the Dem party?

Now, can we discuss her voting record? She's a good Bush supporter while she does an imitation of criticizing him. Buddies with all kinds of people good Dems shouldn't be in bed with..

[Critters2]

23. Thank you. Couldn't have said it better. nt

[CyberPieHole]

18. I agree with you, cat_girl25. I support Hillary Clinton 100%...

she's the best candidate we have. Although there are other good candidates, she would bring the best kind of change to a country in desperate need of a woman's touch. One would think one was on some freeper board with all the bile spewed out against her.

:kick: and recommend

[Auntie Bush]

38. Whaaaaaaat! This isn't Free Republic???/

Could have fooled me!

[provis99]

42. we need Clinton because she has the "woman's touch"? How appallingly sexist

[CyberPieHole]

46. Yeah. How vile and horrible. Let's elect more males to run the world. What a "change"!

:eyes:

[dugggy]

20. B. O. is not running for president, Hillary is!

B.O. = Bill O'Reilley, not Barack Obama.

[Catherine Vincent]

35. I mentioned O'Reilly because of today's altercation with Obama. nt

[Cha]

45. It wasn't an "altercation with Obama"..

so you're lying, right there.. as well as whining.

[smiley_glad_hands]

25. I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.

I do not hate her or any other dem running. Some of the rhetoric is getting out of hand. She maybe DLC, but i will take her over a repug anyday. Personally, I'm all for Edwards. But I will vote for a dem no matter. Save the hate for W and Cheney, they will never be indicted or impeached, they deserve the hate, not dems.

On edit: Sometimes we need to take a step back and a deep breath to see the big picture. We need a dem prezident no matter.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

53. Exactly - we need a Democrat in the White House

yes of course I will support Clinton if she wins the nomination

[robbedvoter]

26. With ya. Pathetic.

[burythehatchet]

27. You make the most irrational statements.

:shrug:

[Catherine Vincent]

37. If you don't likey, don't clicky. nt

[zulchzulu]

28. Is it "hate" or discussions you don't agree with?

I find that if someone has a point to be made that doesn't fully support Hillary Clinton, it's considered "hate".

Enlighten me where you see "Hillary hate".

:shrug:

If you're going to insult me, don't waste your time. I'm just asking a simple question.

[Catherine Vincent]

34. If you don't see the hate tonight (or any other time) here on DU,

then I can't help you.

[Auntie Bush]

30. Yeah...this place is sicking.

I think I'll go to bed after I :puke:

[stillrockin]

32. Boo hoo.

A lot of us do not like Hillary because she is a corporate hack. That is our prerogative.

:nopity:

[kikiek]

39. The whole board could be a talking point for Fox news. The way the people here go at each others

candidates is disheartening to say the least. Very little substance if any. Mostly all on how the poster thinks they looked or presented themselves. They were "shrill" and "ugly (guess who..I have yet to hear either used to describe a man). They were stammering or stuttering. They must be so alike they can't actually point out where they differ on the issues other than using talking points about being corporate, rich, or inexperienced. I expect to see more in-depth civilized discussion than what happens here.

[dugggy]

50. They are doing the same thing on rightwing blogs

This is primary season. We will stop fighting once a winner emerges.

[Didereaux]

40. as a bystansder on the candidates I could make the argument that...

The more the vitriol, the more the fear. You do not attack the weakest of your opponents when all of your enemies are hitting you at once. You have to cripple the powerful, then eliminate as many of the weaker ones as you can before the big boy heals.

[loveangelc]

43. you may want to put me on ignore for at least the next couple of days then.

[CyberPieHole]

47. Good idea...

Done.:hi:

[Horse with no Name]

44. I've been reading hate about all the candidates

Not just Hillary. :shrug:

[Mr_Monday]

49. It's called an election.

Stay out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat.

[Skip Intro]

51. Attack then whine. The Obama two step.

[ronnykmarshall]

52. Flood of new trolls

and flames fanned by the predictable anti-HRC gang.

Before last week, I didn't use Ignore. Now I've started it. I think thursday night and friday showed a lot of the true colors of people. I'll also add that when I posted a "congrats" thread to the Obama folks, I gained a great deal of respect for a lot of people as well.