Hillary seems to be understanding of the complexities of getting our troops out

[Auntie Bush]

of Iraq. She realizes it's easy to say, "I'll have the troops out in X time...it's much more complicated than that. She analyzes the issues instead of saying what the public want to hear. She tells it like it is...often to her determent.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. She's kicking ass and taking names!

[Thrill]

2. What debate are you watching?

[goldcanyonaz]

4. Would ask the same of you.

[Auntie Bush]

5. Same one that you are but I don't have my blinders on.

Take off your ear muffs! Gezz!

[Thrill]

7. I saw her try to attack Obama

and her attacks fall flat and I saw Edwards smack her as Status Quo. And then her result to raising her voice and looking very mean.

[liberalnurse]

17. I truly believe she is just warming up too.

Oh Boy........they can't match Hillary in a head-on debate. No wonder the repugs fear her in the general election. It is crystal clear now.

[emilyg]

19. Yes sir!!!

ed. Yes, Mam.

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. "I'll get them out in 18 months"

18 months later, "I never said that".

[fenriswolf]

6. she really understands the complexity and what involves

moving equipment and men? whats involved? besides the "we need to keep troops in iraq to prevent it from collapsing" imo its already collapsed, a speedy retreat of american forces replaced by a truely international coallition is the only way to repair iraq, the longer we maintain any forces their the more destruction we cause. Iraq is getting worse because we are their, sure the number of deaths may be diminishing but people are still dying, dissidents are still blowing themselves up, it is chaos their. She does not understand the complexities of moving out people out of iraq. She understands how important iraq is to big oil and how important US bases in the middle east are. She is a calculating triangulating corpratist. it took the 101st airbourne to go from chillin in the US to the heart of baghdad two months.

[roguevalley]

50. since she was instrumental along with the rest for getting them in

there, then its kind of nice to hear she might have a clue about getting them out.

RV, who has people there and back again.

[IndianaGreen]

8. Hillary doesn't know shit! She is just a neocon in drag!

You get out of Iraq the same way the Soviets left Afghanistan. You load everyone up in their trucks and tanks and haul ass towards Kuwait. Leave all the broken down equipment behind!

[Auntie Bush]

15. Think before you post.

That was a stupid ridicules comment...and you know it!

[still_one]

20. I do not agree with Hillary, but I agree with you on this point /nt

[Auntie Bush]

25. The Soviets didn't have an ocean between them and all the IED problems..

There aren't many ways out and guess where all the IED and suicide bombers will be? Easier said than done.

[IndianaGreen]

41. Would you prefer to wait until our troops have to fight their way out of Iraq?

Because this criminal invasion of Iraq won't end pretty for us.

[Auntie Bush]

42. "Because this criminal invasion of Iraq won't end pretty for us."

AGREED! Frankly I don't see any good way out now or later. I also can't understand how anyone could want to be president and face or be responsible for the daunting task of repairing all the damage done to our country...so we agree on something...no, a lot!

[mtnsnake]

37. Your comments are consistently sick, & you know nothing about what's going on over there. nt

[still_one]

9. Well, she sure did have any problem helping put them in that situation

She should have analyzed the War Powers Act in the first place

[Miss Chybil]

13. Yes, a lot of people should have done that. nt

[still_one]

18. Agreed, especially since most of those people lived through the Viet Nam era

and knew why the War Powers Act was created so such a mistake would not happen again, and Congress then effectively repealed the war powers act

[HeraldSquare212]

10. How is that different than Obama? nt

[still_one]

11. Obama didn't vote for the IWR, Hillary did /nt

[bigwillq]

14. Obama still funds it (nt)

[still_one]

16. You don't have the votes to stop the funding, it is political suicide to vote against the funding

There is no question that if anyone of the LEADING candidates voted against funding the troops they would be labelled as NOT SUPPORTING THEM, and the government controlled media would go right along with it

Until WE get power, that is the only REAL way to stop the war. There are not enough votes in Congress

She should not have voted for getting us into it in the first place

[bigwillq]

23. And that's when of the reasons why I am NOT

supporting Obama in the primaries.

He only does and says things for votes. He sold us gays out on the McClurkin thing for the very same reason so he could court the fucking religious vote.

[still_one]

31. We all have to decide for ourseleves what means can justify the end

I haven't decided who I am voting for in the primaries, except at this time I won't vote for Hillary in the primaries, so for me it is between Edwards and Obama.

I am in California so there is still a ways to go

You make a good point

The most important thing for ALL of us is that whoever the nominee is, we should vote for that nominee because the stakes are much too large, and Iraq isn't even at the top of the list, The Supreme Court is for me

[Auntie Bush]

32. "it is political suicide to vote against the funding" It was also

political suicide for Clinton to vote against the IWR. Why doesn't anyone understand this?

[indimuse]

45. NO!

What you just said is that Obama is keeping the troops there for political reasons...BTW..he has made a public statement.."I don't know how I would have voted !" RE: Iraq vote! So for Obama to run around misleading YOU and supporters about his stance on Iraq it's not a characteristic I'm looking for..

[Auntie Bush]

21. Obama didn't have the option to vote. He also wasn't running for president

at the time...so it was easy to be against the IWR. If he was there at the time...how do you know he wouldn't have voted "present"?

[still_one]

22. What we know for SURE is how Clinton voted, Obama is hypothetical

That in no way can excuse her judgement

Critisize Obama for what he HAS done, not what he MIGHT have done

[Auntie Bush]

24. So did every single one running for office...so they shouldn't be eliminated.

[still_one]

26. Obama never voted for the IWR, and Edwards said it was a huge mistake HE made

Hillary on the other hand didn't say she made a mistake, she said she was misled by bush. That is bunk. The War Powers Act wouldn't have stopped bush from going into Iraq, but it SURE would have MANDATED CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT, and provided a very easy exit out of Iraq within 60 days, Unless Congress declared war. Throwing that oversight away was wrong

[Auntie Bush]

34. So because Edwards not only said it was wrong but also co-sponsored the bill

and Hillary said she was misled. I'd say the one who CREATED the bill in the first place was much more culpable. The difference is more than semantics.

[still_one]

40. It is your right to view it that way. I view it differently, I think Edwards is more trustworthy

I still haven't made my mind up who I will vote for in the primaries, but I will vote WHOLEHEARTLY for whoever our nominee is

and yes, I am not a Hillary fan, but if she wins the nominations, she has my FULL support

[Captain Hilts]

12. Most people don't do 'nuance', or 'get' it. You want details, it's HRC or Biden. And he's out. nt

[jillan]

27. She is tempting me.

[The Backlash Cometh]

28. If she would tell it like it is, then she would also name the names of

the AIPAC people and any other lobby group in favor of staying in Iraq. I, for one, would like to know who they are.

I am weary of all the secrets. She's not telling it like it is, at all.

[still_one]

33. No that isn't the answer, the answer is to get rid of ALL lobbists, not just one group /nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

35. I'm fair in all this. If a group has proven to be devious in their methods,

then they deserve to be singled out.

[still_one]

36. All the lobbyists are devious my friend. It is legalized bribery /nt

[Auntie Bush]

39. Why don't you ask Obama the same question?

I'm sure he knows or has been informed of the facts.

Besides she or no one else wants to tick off all the Jews. Can you blame them? Seriously, can you?

[The Backlash Cometh]

43. Obama hasn't been around long enough to know who the players are

by name. It's an insidious little game they play, face licking like coyotes, until they are all part of the same pack. Only when things go very, very wrong, do they start thinking clearly again. Hillary has already gone through the process. If she really wanted to be the next great president, she could be. It's all in her hands. She's a smart lady. She just now has to be an independent thinker, like she's never been since 1993.

Added on edit: Not all the Jews support AIPAC. AIPAC has been acting like the war-mongering conservative political side, and from what I understand, there is a considerable number of Jewish Americans and Israeli Jews who are opposed to its direction. Maybe they aren't listened to, because they're not big political contributors, but maybe it's time they should be given a voice, separate from the neo-cons?

[Raster]

29. Which is fucking convenient because she helped put them there.

[still_one]

38. That is what is ironic, and it WILL be thrown back at her in the general election

Except for Ron Paul, the repukes are extremely consistent on this issue. Voted to go to war throught IWR, which effectively repealed the War Powers Act, and stay their until the job is done, whatever the hell that means, wink, wink

STAY THEIR PERMANENTLY is what it means, or until we go broke whichever comes first

[Raster]

30. self-delete

[Perry Logan]

44. Complexities? That lets the Obama people out.

[alcibiades_mystery]

49. ROFL: Hillary's "complexity" focused "plan"

1)Tell the military to plan the logistics of withdrawing troops
2)Stop funding Iraqi government with blank check
3)Figure out something to do with US civilians in Iraq
4) Figure out something to do with Iraqi civilians who aided US and may be in danger
5) Maybe pull out a brigade or two a month.

(paraphrase from her speech yesterday)

WOOOOOOOOW!!!!! Holy crap, the sheer COMPLEXITY of her suggestions! Oh my Gawd...I can barely wrap my head around it!

:rofl:

[MadHound]

46. So if she understands this so well,

How come she is stating that she'll keep troops in throughout her first term, guarding permanent bases, training Iraqis and going on combat missions?

Sorry, but Hillary is simply another warhawk who will keep the war grinding bloodily along.

[AtomicKitten]

47. Wowie, wow, wow.

As I suspected and which Zogby confirmed on Washington Journal (12-30-07 first guest), the rightwing ideologues AKA: neocons want Hillary to win.

Hillary voted yes on the IWR and on K-L.

Do the math.

Please consider the possibility of choosing a different path and remember:

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
* attributed to Einstein

Peace.

[alcibiades_mystery]

48. Duh...who DOESN'T understand the co mplexities?

It was a total strawman argument, since nobody thinks you can pull troops out overnight.