ATTENTION...ATTENTION... Clinton Came In Third People!!

[monmouth]

Obama won the Iowa debate, with John Edwards second. Way down the road along came Hillary. A question: Why, why am I being subjected to nothing but Hillary news, posts, sound bytes, rationales, winning odds and polls? Why? SHE CAME IN THIRD!!

Nothing against Senator Clinton, I have no dog in this race, he had to go home because the media forgot he was a contendah!! But...another reminder.....Hillary Clinton came in third. I want to know the projections for Barack Obama and John Edwards, they matter to me. Perhaps the media, including Rupert and Chris Matthews and Fox all love Hillary, she's a nice lady, but......HILLARY CAME IN THIRD! They're lookin' like fools and my computer has become my main source of news.. Just sayin......

[Zynx]

1. You know how intellectually dishonest that is and yet you do it anyway.

Edwards and Clinton tied. Edwards put everything on Iowa and he couldn't do it. Clinton has a much bigger national organization and has much more support all across the country than Edwards does. She never needed Iowa like Edwards did.

[DaLittle Kitty]

7. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Edwars defeated Hillary he had more votes.... QUITE SIMPLE REALLY!

:nuke:

[Zynx]

11. Barely and insignificantly.

Edwards bet the whole farm on Iowa and didn't measure up to what he had to.

[saracat]

10. Intellectually dishonest? Clinton was third! And Edwards was outspent

6 to one and still beat her! I am so tired of the money and the machine supposed to being everything. The voters are seeing past that and the dirty politics of it all isn't playing.

[Zynx]

13. He wasn't outspent 6:1. Clinton spent $7 million and he spent $4 million

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/5/10840/18910

[saracat]

22. She still outspent him by a lot .And he was out spent a combined 4,25!

[Zynx]

25. Spending only matters up to a point.

Romney vs. Huckabee proved that.

[Labors of Hercules]

16. erm... bigger national organization aside.

If John could do it in Iowa, he can do it in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada.

[Zynx]

18. He doesn't have the time to do it.

He pretty much saw everybody in Iowa who was interested. He doesn't have that luxury elsewhere.

[Yael]

17. Bwahahaha!!

How is it that we are already revising history and it was only 2 damn days ago?

:rofl:

[Zynx]

20. Where is Edwards' next best state?

I can name dozens of states if the primary were held today that Hillary would probably win. She might not when it comes around to them, but I can name them right now. Where does Edwards win? His own state is in question.

[book_worm]

40. actually Monmouth had it right. In total votes Edwards edged Clinton and came in second

Hillary was third.

[Fredda Weinberg]

2. The HRC presidential campaign began a decade ago ... I participated

in the early days. Honestly, Iowa wasn't expected to be a cakewalk. As I tell my friends, adversity builds character and tactically, it was good for HRC to lose one.

[cali]

27. How about two? Is that good for her too?

She's about to get blown out of the water in NH.

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[Fredda Weinberg]

How does eventually prevailing in a serious campaign equate w/inevitability

Of course a Clinton began w/name factor ... let's see how this race goes before now that everyone is getting some attention.

[Lerkfish]

26. you are now going to say that inevitability was never used as a meme for clinton?

laughable revisionism.

[Jai4WKC08]

29. Only by the media

You'd think DUers would be smart enough to ignore the corporate media, but I guess not.

[Lerkfish]

33. you're saying no clinton supporter at DU pushed forth her candidacy as

inevitable?


that's revisionism.

[Jai4WKC08]

35. Clinton supporters at DU

Sure. I'm sure some have. Good lord, you can find someone who'll say just about anything, no matter how absurd, at DU.

But Clinton has never said it. And no one speaking for her has.

But it's the corporate media that tried to portray her has having already won before she had even declared her candidacy.

[Lerkfish]

24. correct.

that is my opinion as well.

[msongs]

4. umm nearly 6o% in Iowa dems caucus did not vote for the winner -death to them all? nt

[Blue_In_AK]

8. You know, I thought of that, too...

When Chris Matthews, I believe, said something to the effect that this means that 2/3 of the Iowa caucus-goers rejected Hillary, I thought, but almost 2/3 rejected the other candidates, too. It's stupid, and I'm not even a Hillary fan.

[Adelante]

5. Well, no, my friend

John Edwards came in second way down the road close as can be to Hillary.

Obama 37.58%
Edwards 29.75%
Clinton 29.47%

[avrdream]

34. Thanks Wes.

Now I'm going to go and x out this thread because it is stupid.

Unless the point is that Edwards isn't getting any attention - and that is a valid argument.

[mitchtv]

6. OOOOOO ..... you said the Edwards word

shhh

[TwilightZone]

9. "Way down the road" - LOL!

A fraction of a point is not "way down the road". Clinton actually ended up with more Iowa delegates than Edwards because of superdelegates.

Obama deserves the attention; he's the perceived frontrunner now. There is almost no separation between Edwards and Clinton at the moment, so claiming that one deserves attention but the other doesn't is misguided, at best.

Edit: clarification

[pnwmom]

12. HRC and Edwards were basically tied. Their vote was less than 1% apart

and they both ended up with the same number of delegates -- which is what really counts. And because HRC has so many committed superdelegates, she still is way ahead of either Edwards or Obama in the overall delegate count.

[jillan]

14. Edwards came in second, but the story is that Hillary will come back and

that Edwards needed to win Iowa, so he lost.

wtf?

They are going to "Biden" Edwards.

[DS1]

15. Less than a percent behind isn't exaclty 'way down the road'

as much as I dislike the idea of Hillary getting more than 5% of the total.

[Alamom]

19. ATTENTION...ATTENTION... The race is not won in Iowa. It's not over &

if HRC does not win, you will be hearing about the first woman to come very close to winning for many years.

If Obama does not win, you will be hearing about his campaign for a very long time, too.

A woman and a black man making it to the top 3 for the Democratic Nomination is history regardless of what anyone thinks.


White men have been doing it for over 200 years...........

[THUNDER HANDS]

21. because Clinton is the 800lb gorilla in the room

ignoring her is impossible. Ignoring Obama is impossible. Guess who gets left out? It's reallys simple, actually.

[liberalnurse]

23. Not exactly. Edwards only gain was .255 of a point over Clinton .

Go to the Iowa Democratic website. Essentially they were tied!

Edwards at 29.75%

Clinton at
29.47%

[Sparkly]

28. "debate" or "caucuses?"

As for "way down the road," I believe she was so close to Edwards she stepped on his heel and his shoe came off.

[Adelante]

32. That's what happened

His shoe came off.

[TreasonousBastard]

30. Well...

First-- this was just one caucus, with many primaries to come.

Second-- you don't have to read any post that contains "Hillary" or "Clinton"

Third-- just what news is it you're looking for that comes only on a computer? I hear or read at least half of the shit here long before it hits here, often from the sources cited. And the traffic and weather reports online really suck.

[Beacool]

31. I predict that Hillary will lose NH & SC, but still will be our nominee.

February 5th will be the defining day. So far, she only has 1 delegate less than Obama.

Remember, don't count your chickens.......

[Lerkfish]

36. so, you're waiting for Diebold to kick in?

:)

[Colobo]

37. Nah... waiting for a miracle...

Obama wins in NH and SC, and Clinton's mojo is pretty much gone.

[Lerkfish]

39. they're probably waiting here...

[AtomicKitten]

38. Nobody took a header into their podium.

I don't think this debate will change much, really.

[mdmc]

41. I always thought that HRC would be the next president

I doubt any of the GOP folk can beat her.

I hope to God that Democrats in NH, SC, and the 2-5-8 states will put a stop to her anointed role.