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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:56 PM
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Presidential candidates on gay civil rights
Some of you may have noticed a few threads regarding gay civil rights. Most of these threads are about Obama and I am not so sure that that is completely fair. Lets look at some other candidates as well.

Hillary Rodham Clinton on gay civil rights

On same-sex marriage and civil unions
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., does not support same-sex marriage. "I prefer to think of it as being very positive about civil unions,'' she said at a forum in August 2007 sponsored by the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights advocacy group.

Clinton would grant partners in a civil union the same legal rights, benefits and privileges as married couples. To equalize federal benefits, she would repeal part of the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act that was signed into law by her husband, Bill Clinton, when he was president. That law set a federal definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman and said states don’t have to recognize same-sex marriages performed by another state.

As first lady and a Senate candidate in 2000, she marched in the New York City gay pride parade.

On gays in the military
Clinton said she decided in 1999 that the military's "don't ask, don't tell'' policy, established when her husband was president, no longer worked. She said it should be replaced with a policy that focuses on behavior using the Uniform Code of Military Justice. If elected, Clinton said she would ask Congress to repeal "don't ask, don't tell,'' which allows gay men and lesbians to serve in the military only if their sexual orientation remains hidden. "It hurts all of our troops and this, to me, is a matter of national security," Clinton said in March 2007.

On hate crimes
Clinton was a co-sponsor of legislation that would expand the definition of hate crimes to include offenses based on sexual orientation, gender or disability. The Senate passed the bill by voice vote in September 2007.

John Edwards on gay civil rights

On same-sex marriage and civil unions
Former North Carolina senator John Edwards, a Democrat, says he supports civil unions for same-sex couples and equal rights for them — including to surviving partners when the other dies.

He was not in office in 1996 when President Bill Clinton signed into law the Defense of Marriage Act, which set a definition of marriage as between a man and a woman. It also said states don't have to recognize same-sex marriages performed by another state.

Edwards cited his Christian faith for his opposition to same-sex marriage, during a forum on faith and values in June 2007. At a forum in August 2007 sponsored by the Human Rights Campaign, a gay advocacy group, Edwards said it was wrong for him to invoke his religious views on the subject.


On gays in the military
Edwards has said he would get rid of the "don't ask, don't tell" military policy, which allows gay men and women to serve in the armed forces only if their sexual orientation remains hidden. The policy was adopted in 1993 under President Clinton.

On hate crimes
Edwards said he favors legislation to expand the definition of hate crimes to include offenses based on sexual orientation, gender or disability. He was a co-sponsor of such a bill in 2001. "Every American deserves to live without fear of physical violence," he said in September 2007 after the Senate passed a bill expanding the definition of hate crimes by voice vote.

Barack Obama on gay civil rights

On same-sex marriage and civil unions
Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., says on his Senate website that he personally believes marriage is between a man and woman. But he voted in 2006 against amending the Constitution to make that declaration. He said decisions about marriage should be left to the states. Obama said he supports civil unions that would give same-sex couples the same benefits as married couples, including hospital visitation rights and health insurance coverage.

Obama has also said he would repeal the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, which set a federal definition of marriage as between a man and a woman and said states don’t have to recognize same-sex marriages performed by another state. He was not in Congress when President Bill Clinton signed it into law.

Obama told the Human Rights Campaign, a gay advocacy group, in August 2007 that "we should try to disentangle what has historically been the issue of the word 'marriage,' which has religious connotations to some people, from the civil rights that are given couples."

On gays in the military
Obama said in an interview with Larry King in March 2007 that the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, which allows gays to serve in the military only if their sexual orientation remains hidden, "has to be absolutely re-examined." He did not say he would change it by executive order if he was elected president. President Clinton adopted the policy in 1993.

On hate crimes
Obama co-sponsored a bill that would expand the definition of hate crimes to include offenses based on sexual orientation, gender or disability. The Senate passed it by voice vote in September 2007. Obama has supported including sexual orientation in anti-discrimination laws.

Mike Huckabee on gay civil rights

On same-sex marriage and civil unions
Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee says on his campaign website that he supports passage of a constitutional amendment that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

On gays in the military
Huckabee says he believes in the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy that allows gay men and lesbians to serve in the military if they hide their sexually orientation. It was adopted in 1993 under President Bill Clinton. Huckabee has said he would leave it up to military leaders to decide whether to keep the policy.

"I'm not sure that being homosexual should automatically disqualify a person from the military," Huckabee told the Associated Press in April 2007. "If a person can do his or her job, you know that's not for me the biggest issue."

On hate crimes
Huckabee told a Florida Republican "Values Voters" conference in September 2007 that he would veto legislation that would expand the federal hate crimes law to include offenses based on sexual orientation.

See many candidates at link-
http://content.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/issues.aspx?i=4

I personally support Kucinich, but I did not include him in this post because I did not want this post to be too long.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:01 PM
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1. Well done, thanks
So, essentially, no great difference in the candidates - except in contrast to the GOP.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:02 PM
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2. Yup.
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jackpan1260 Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:17 PM
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3. I am voting for Obama. eom
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:17 PM
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4. Isn't Richardson Pro-Choice? nt
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:23 PM
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24. Huh? nt
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:30 PM
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25. Richardson: Being Gay Is a Choice


http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070810_richardson_being_gay_is_a_choice/

...Etheridge appeared very taken aback and gave him a chance to hear the question again to make sure he wasn't confused. He wasn't.

The idea that a person chooses to be homosexual is truly reprehensible. It is offensive to the gay community as a whole to say that we have chosen to be gay because that implies that we could choose to be heterosexual at any time. Following this line of thought, you find the argument that gays shouldn't have equal rights because gay is not something inherent like race or sex, not to mention ridiculous things like Exodus International.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:20 PM
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27. Oh! Now I get it. I guess that I am a bit slow. nt
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:34 PM
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5. In other words, they're all homophobes
With their ready excuses to explain their fear of us. Their personal beliefs take preference over civil rights to a minority group, it's clear.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:37 PM
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6. So you will be sitting this one out?
good plan!
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:00 PM
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10. So on the one hand you're berating someone
telling them not to sit it out and in another thread you berate them for seeking to find a way to support Obama if he is the nominee.

What's the disconnect here?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:11 PM
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14. The one in your head
the poster here i replied to seems to take the same scorched earth aproach you do. Except for him its all of them not just Obama.

Again if you truly are looking for reasons to support Obama instead of just reposting a wedgemissue over and over. Theres plenty in the op on this thread for you to consider.

Or....

You can just continue to ignore Obamas record and keep repeating a 30 second statement made by a hired singer as the end of Obamas fight for equal rights for everyone including gays.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:01 PM
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11. Well no, not necessarily
But it is good for LGBT people to be aware of what the candidates think about us when we go into voting booth and send money, and work on the campaigns. We know now pretty well what they think about us. So there will not be much of a surprise for us on voting day. Because no matter who wins, LGBT people can leave the voting booth and come home to the unending comforts of second class citizenship, knowingly assured our second-class status will remain status quo.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:41 PM
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7. Oregon gays are homophobes too
for celebrating civil union legislation when it was passed.

That's how completely nuts this argument is.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:45 PM
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8. None of those gays are candidates running for president are they?
Talk about Oregon, what about Massachusetts. How are the civil union candidates going to explain themselves in a state where same sex marriage is legal? That they are for states rights?

Yes the argument is nuts because the idea that one can compromise another's rights is nuts.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:56 PM
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9. lol, way to miss the point n/t
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:11 PM
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13. It might be pretty damn funny indeed
Watching candidates squirm defending their civil union mumbo jumbo in a state that has marriage.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:16 PM
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15. Are you agreeing Oregon gays are homophobes?
Sorry, that's a pretty damn funny statement.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:19 PM
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17. No of course not, and it is a ridiculous thing to say
It is something only a straight person would say. It is natural for minorities to celebrate any crumbs thrown our way.



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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:35 PM
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18. No, everybody who fights deserves respect
Straight people who fight for civil unions deserve just as much respect as gay people do. It's ridiculous to differentiate.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:41 PM
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19. Straight people who fight for civil rights for LGBTs deserve the utmost respect
But civil unions ain't civil rights. It's no cigar.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:51 PM
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21. Acknowledging civil rights is the best that can be done
does not make one a homophobe either. So stop saying it.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:55 PM
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22. civil unions ain't civil rights
No, they are not. They are a tiny step in the right direction. I hope I live to see the day when gay rights = straight rights.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 05:21 PM
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23. It's the best that can be done today
And saying makes one honest, not a homophobe.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:03 PM
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12. It may not be "fair" to you, but Obama is the one who sponsored an anti-gay concert for votes
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:17 PM
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16. Hi Bluebear.
You are right, he did do that. I believe that he sent a horrible message with that concert. His attempt to balance things out with the pro-gay rights speech in the beginning failed in my opinion. His comments on the debacle were good, but seemingly not good enough.

My "fair" comment was about homophobia throughout all of the candidates, except for Kucinich. My hope for my post was to show that the three main candidates, on our side, hold similar stances on gay civil rights issues. I also wanted to contrast those stances with the Republican stance.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:45 PM
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20. Nice overview but Obama says one thing then does another (Donnie).
And actions speak so much louder than words for this gay woman.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:34 PM
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26. Hillary changed her "don't ask, don't tell" position just before running for Senate in liberal NY???
Surprise, surprise. lol
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