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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:59 AM
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Hold the phone!! The Tyranny of Super-Delegates
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The Tyranny of Super-Delegates


Barack Obama's stirring victory in Iowa was also a good night for our democracy. The turnout broke records and young people – who were mobilized and organized – participated in unprecedented numbers. And now that Iowans have spoken – the first citizens in the nation to do so – here's the Democratic delegate count for the top three candidates (2,025 delegates are needed to secure the nomination):

Clinton – 169

Obama – 66

Edwards – 47

"Huh?" you say. "vanden Heuvel, you made a MAJOR typo."

In fact, those numbers are correct: the third-place finishing Sen. Hillary Clinton now has over twice as many delegates as Sen. Obama, and more than three times as many delegates as the second-place candidate, Sen. John Edwards. Why? Because the Democratic Party uses an antiquated and anti-democratic nominating system that includes 842 "super-delegates" – un-pledged party leaders not chosen by the voters, free to support the candidate of their choice, and who comprise more than forty percent of the delegates needed to win the nomination. Many have already announced the candidate they will support.

In a clear attempt to protect the party establishment, this undemocratic infrastructure was created following George McGovern's landslide defeat in 1972. It was designed to prevent a nominee who was "out of sync with the rest of the party," Northeastern University political scientist William Mayer told MSNBC. Democratic National Committee member Elaine Kamarck called it a "sort of safety valve."

MORE:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?bid=7&pid=266130

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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:01 AM
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1. Super Delegates aren't locked in. They can change with the political winds
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:11 AM
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9. Even the ones who have already committed?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:16 AM
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14. Yes even those. Up until the convention they can change their side
nt
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:02 AM
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2. WTF???
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:03 AM
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3. I'd also love to watch her try to claim a victory after losing most of the delegates given by the
voters. Talk about a Bush stategy. There would be a revolt in the party. Which is why the superdelegates will change to whoever is winning.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:04 AM
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4. There will be an uproar if the Super-Delegates
go to Clinton IF she doesn't get election victories to back them up. Time will settle the issue.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:05 AM
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5. Sounds like the super-delegate system is functioning well as it was intended
I have no problem with the super-delegates. Thank goodness for the super-delegates. Maybe Obama should have worked the super-delegates a little harder. He'd have more.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:07 AM
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6. The superdelegates will start moving to Obama soon
All Hillary has to do is keep losing.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:08 AM
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7. Well, she's not going to win NH by a long shot, so I hope you're right.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:10 AM
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8. Of course I'm right
This isn't the first time a superdelegate favorite started to lose the nomination
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:12 AM
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10. Wow, thats a real (d)emocratic position n/t
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:43 PM
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16. Super-delegates have nothing to do with democracy
they have to do with rules of an organization that too many here at DU despise.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:11 PM
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17. And that organization would be? n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:14 AM
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11. If Hillary loses but tries to hang onto them, prepare for torches and pitchforks.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:15 AM
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13. or a third party entry.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:14 AM
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12. Popular vote has never won anyone the White House. nm
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:05 PM
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15. k for dupe.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:12 PM
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18. They're 1/6th of the vote total, and they have never gone against the popular vote.
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