...and now kiddies for some reality the ACTUAL delegate count results

[Didereaux]

CNN Election Center 2008
updated 3:25 a.m. EDT, January 4, 2008
Road to the White House

Delegate Estimates

Clinton 169 (52%) Obama 66 (20%) Edwards 47 (14%)


You see you enthusiastic, but ignorant young whipper-snappers those ENDORSEMENTS by super-delegates really, really do count...in fact of the 2700 or so total delegates being fought for to win at the convention, around 40% or so are super-delegates(each elected Democratic Congressman is 1, as are Dem Governors and other such animals. Clinton is NOT dead, in fact her delegates by endorsement are almost sufficient that if she came in a strong second in the primaries she would STILL win the nomination. If you are going to play chess it is not a good idea to rely on your checkers skills.

[Adelante]

1. This is not news

The party establishment is behind Clinton. Of course, she has the super-delegates. Duh.

[Didereaux]

3. didn't do well at checkers either, huh?

[Adelante]

11. By the time of Convention, we will see where the superdelegates ultimately land

This early, it has publicity value and that's all.

[rodeodance]

2. of course she is not out of the race. And she is out there in nh right now working hard.

[Onlooker]

4. Yeah, but

I don't think superdelegates are completely committed to a candidate. If Hillary continues to do poorly (which I doubt), I think they can change their minds.

[Didereaux]

14. Unlike some primary delegates, super-delegates are not 'fixed' which is why

I have so little patience with of the ignorant jackasses around here who try and slander me, and re-word what I say. My sole intent is to remind those idiots that this is the START of the race, not the goddam FINISH! One ignoramous last night started a subject line with something along the lines of how proud they were that a black man had been ELECTED! If the Dems are to win in November and prevent the final destruction phase of the Repugs, is is absolutely paramount that every anti-Repug voter get out and WORK all year to ensure that more Dems and independents go to the polls than the criminals can block or steal the ballots from.

[ThomWV]

5. So, you are saying The System Is Corrupt And The Will Of The People Is Meaningless

Just to paraphrase you.

[2beToby]

8. Seriously.

How is this a good thing?

[regnaD kciN]

9. Yep, and that those who turn out and vote in caucuses and primaries...

...are "kiddies" who need the grown-ups to determine what's best for them. :puke:

[sniffa]

13. it's why i picked my sigline.

[enough already]

6. So your point is that Hillary is the candidate chosen in the back room....

....and the rest of us can just fuck off?

What an inspiring message.

[regnaD kciN]

7. And if she wins the nomination by coming in second...

...and counting on "superdelegate" votes, she and our party will be toast in the general election and beyond. There's nothing like telling loyalists "Who cares about how you voted in the primaries? We know better than you who should represent us." That would bring back memories of the bad old days when the nominee was determined in "smoke-filled rooms" far away from popular participation. The last time the Democrats had that happen was in 1968, when Humphrey was essentially imposed on the party by its old-guard leadership without winning a single primary -- and the backlash from that fiasco resulted in a Republican presidency for 20 of the next 24 years.

[Didereaux]

10. nothing more than a wake up call...its early get your ASS to work!

THAT is what I am saying. Forget your ignorant 'conspiracy' rants or sulks. Maybe even do a little research on how the system works(not how you THINK it does or should) and then get off the computer and onto the street and do the WORK it will take to see that your preference gets a shot at the brass ring.

I cannot believe the utter laziness of the ranters.

btw way this was a 'broad brush' swipe at all those who fit my description, it may or may not fit the person I am responding too specifically.

[CGowen]

12. Why does Clinton have one delegate more than Edwards in Iowa?

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA



According to CNN only 796 are super that's 20% or so of all delegates

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/02/delegate.explainer/index.html

[Evergreen Emerald]

15. ok. This is news to me. I need to read up on the superdelegates

I had no idea.

[madrchsod]

16. i look at the iowa results and notice

the only age group she won were people over 65 years old. obama and edwards took the rest.

by the way thanks for insulting this 61 year old "youbg whipper -snappers" because super delegates don`t mean shit if hillary can`t overcome that demographic.

[HughBeaumont]

17. And if you're going to WIN in November . . .

. . . it better NOT be with a candidate that's going to divide the left and center, NOT win rural voters, fence sitters and Eisenhower conservatives and inspire every backwoods Repuke known to man to register for some second rate bastard named HUCK-AH-BEE!!

You know, because THAT'S going to make me want to vote for Hillary . . . because I'm going to be FORCED to?

Fucka that noise, once again.

[Didereaux]

18. you have pretty much voiced the underlying reasoning of the Bloomberg effort.

[Renew Deal]

19. I think the old timers forget that the superdelegates will follow the winner

AND at least 600 super delegates are still out there.

[Didereaux]

20. but they are publicity fodder for MSM. When they start showing delegate totals mid-primary it adds

weight to a candidates viability. Also do not forget that although historically they follow the open delegate leader, they also re considering the 'perks' that changing late will lose them. For instance take Hillarys staunch supoer-delegates in the early part of the race, if Obama were to eventually lead going into the convention it is improbable that many of those supers would see much largess, they would get theirs only after the Richardson, Edwards etc crowd. Slim pickins, indeed!

I am sort of getting a kick out of how this is unfolding, it is becoming more and more to resemble politics of 50 years ago.

[Renew Deal]

21. Changing late?

They'll move for a number of reasons because they have to. It's not that complicated.

[jefferson_dem]

22. She's always been the establishement candidate, staunch defender and promoter of "the system."

Does that make you proud?

[pinto]

23. Re: Super delegates:

At the Democratic convention next summer, 4,987 delegates will select the party’s nominee. Of these, 850 delegates will be unpledged super delegates, meaning they can choose the nominee regardless of primary results.

While they are unlikely to determine the winner, but it is probably less unlikely than in previous years because of the radical realignment of next year’s primary calendar. More than 20 states are expected to hold their primaries on Feb. 5, 2008, making it more difficult for any candidate to emerge as the inevitable nominee.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/clinton-obama-whip-for-08-2007-05-21.html

[Cameron27]

24. Thanks pinto,

it's even more confusing than I thought. Super Tuesday, hmmm.

[Strawman]

25. Sure, if the nomination is undecided heading into the convention

Seems pretty unlikely