I just voted for Howard Dean!

[Sean Reynolds]

Utah Primary seems to have an amazing turn out, possibly 100 or so people at my library when I was there and it was about a 15 minute wait to get into the main voting room. I cast my vote for Dean, so did my mother. That makes at least 2 Dean votes from the state of Utah.

To me it was a sad day. :( Striking that 'X' for Dean made me think of what could have been.

On my way out I saw a Dean bumpersticker. Hope they too are voting for Dean.

[Goldberg]

1. Why?

He's out of the race.

[slinkerwink]

2. no, he's not---he's still on the ballots, his campaign has been suspended

[Goldberg]

4. He's done.

He has no chance on getting anywhere near the presidency.

[peabody71]

Excuse me. It is an oportunity to keep the pressure on

the major candidates to keep speaking like Dean until the election.
Otherwise it may simply settle back to the old stale retoric of the sad and depressed Democratic party.

[otohara]

58. I Agree - I Will Do The Same

nt

[Sean Reynolds]

9. Your point?

Just because he has no shot I should give up my power to vote for him?

Pfft.

[Goldberg]

10. It would make more sense to vote for someone who has a shot.

Just like the people who voted for Nader in 2000. They were wasted votes...hell, they helped Dubya get elected.

I'm afraid that's what's going to happen in the election. People will write in Dean's name...wasting their vote, and thus allowing Bush to get (re)elected.

I'm sure Dr. Dean wouldn't want that to happen...

[Sean Reynolds]

Dean asked his supporters to continue to vote for him the primary.

To give him delegates to send to the convention in July.

[TeeYiYi]

49. I don't think all of his supporters knew that . . .

There was a girl sitting close by who looked up from her ballot to incredulously exclaim to me,"Dean is still on the ballot!?". I had heard that he was still on other ballots but I didn't know whether he would be on the Utah ballot or not. I told her she should vote her heart and if she was a Dean supporter, she should vote for Dean. She said, "No, that would be a waste of a vote.". I told her that Kucinich was most like Dean but I don't know who she ended up voting for. I wanted to tell her that Dean was still running but I wasn't positive about that so I didn't. Another guy there voted for Kerry. He was black . . . the only black guy in the Orem City Library. His decision had to do with his brother having fought in the war. (Either Viet Nam or Afghanistan. I'm not sure which.) He seemed pretty passionate about his vote and his eyes welled up with pride for having voted for Kerry 'the veteran'. I saw people coming out and voting who had previously voted republican. I overheard the lady at the ballot table explaining to this one guy that he was more than welcome to vote in the democratic primary. She explained to him that by voting in the dem primary he wouldn't be able to vote in the republican primary. He was fine with that and sat down to fill out his information and get a ballot. There was a huge turnout where I went to vote. My father made it out to vote . . . for Kucinich. My vote went to Kucinich as well.

That pretty much sums up my personal experience with today's (yesterday's) Utah democratic primary.

TYY

[joshcryer]

12. It's the primaries, he can vote for Ham if he wants.

There is no comparasion to the 2000 general elections. Anyone saying so is just being dishonest.

[Jim Sagle]

14. You mind your vote, I'll mind mine.

[Forkboy]

56. Well said Jim

:thumbsup:

[salin]

29. that is why there is such a big difference between primary and general

election. A vote for Dean, Clark, Gephardt, Joe, or Carol... in the primary, has no impact on bush's election... unless the voter was prone to vote for bush in the first place.

[Wonk]

51. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/bandwagon.html

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/bandwagon.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/donnelly02092004.html

[AmyStrange]

68. I feel the same way - voting for kerry now...

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17. Kucinich has no chance of getting near the presidency either

and people still vote for him.
As they should.
Since when is that a criterion before the votes are cast?

[Goldberg]

27. It is a waste of a vote.

It's simple logic. The guy will never get in. What's the point?

Yes, I think Kucinich would make the best president. But we all have to be realistic here. You need a certain of number of delegates to get the nomination. Let's face it. Kucinich, Dean, and Sharpton are not going to get those delegates.

Dean is done. Dean is not getting the nomination. Dean is not going to be president.

Can we end the "Dean for President" posts now?

31. If I have no preference between Kerry and Edwards

then why not vote for Dean or Kucinich?

If I have a preference between Kerry and Edwards, even if I supported Dean or Kucinich more, your point would make sense.

Mine wasn't only a Dean for President post by the way.
Guess that Dean avatar made you think so, but I also mentioned Kucinich.

on edit-- I really don't understand this tendency on the part of some to say things like "can we end the (fill in the blank) for president posts"

at least on a Discussion board

[mzmolly]

34. The *point* is to send delegates to the convention.

:hi:

[SadEagle]

35. Eh, so I take it you wouldn't for any Dem in GE in a GOP district?

Winning isn't everything.

[PVnRT]

39. How does voting for Dean

affect anything? It doesn't. Why must you be so concerned about everyone's vote? Maybe you could tell us all exactly who we are to vote for? :eyes:

[CWebster]

55. With all that has been said and done in the last 3 years

To me, a vote for Kerry is the ultimate wasted vote.

[WI_DEM]

8. why not vote for someone you believe in?

he is still on the ballot. That is what America is all about.

[lurk_no_more]

42. It's called

DEANILE!



And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[BL_Zebub]

3. Most Unholy!

I hope that the Dean voters from Utah have a massive turnout.

(and just in case anyone from Utah is lurking, and is undecided....

Joesph Smith voted for Dean,and he wants you to do the same ;) )

[daveskilt]

7. lol

I think Joe smith might have been more of a kucinich guy. Brigham young would be the angry guy voting for dean.

[redqueen]

5. Sorry to hear it was sad for you

I was hoping to see you say how good it felt.

Imagine how we Kucitizens feel! :hi:

[Sean Reynolds]

6. It felt good, but it was sad....

Because striking that X made me wish he had a chance.

[redqueen]

11. I feel ya', Sean

Really I do. :)

[DianeK]

63. no need for sadness

in a primary it makes every sense to vote your heart..the primary, unlike the general, is not a all or nothing...if dean get 15% or more of the vote in any state he gets delegates and in the primary process that is the name of the game...whether he 'wins' or not ( and right now it looks like he won't ) he may get enough delegates to be a very strong influence at the convention making it impossible for the nominee to ignore the issues that are important to us....on the contrary, it makes no sense to vote for anyone other than who best represents your point of view on the issues and anyone who tells you otherwise is just plain wrong

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. Cool. :) Wish you had considered Dennis, though.

[Sean Reynolds]

15. I did. But my heart has and always will be with Dean.

I couldn't pass up on the chance to cast a vote for Dean. He was on the ballot, so I needed to vote for him. For a little over a year I've been waiting to vote for Dean in the primary, today was that day.

I've never voted in a presidential election, been too young. This by far though is my proudest vote EVER.

[GreenPartyVoter]

23. You voted your conscience. That's the way it ought to be. :)

[not systems]

52. It will be my forth primary vote...

and first for Dean!

Looking forward to it and congratulations.

[Tinoire]

16. Glad you got to vote for your man Sean & I hope he makes a comeback

It's nice to have the opportunity to vote for someone you BELIEVE in. Hopefully, you'll experience that joy again & often!

[JasonBerry]

18. Congrats

Congratulations Sean -- that first vote will always be remembered.

[RetroLounge]

19. Way to go Sean!

Voting with your heart. Respect and kudos your way come!

and anyone with a problem with that?

[LuminousX]

20. You just did a wonderful thing!

[Anwen]

21. Way to go Sean!

I am going to get my chance to vote for Dean March 9. It is going to sad for me, too. I was hoping my vote was going to help him win the Presidency, but instead my vote will be to help carry on his message.

[John_H]

22. John Kerry and I say, "We loooooooooove you, Sean."

A vote for Dean is 1 million times better than a vote for Edwards because a vote for Dean deprives Kerry's only viable opponent a vote. Thank you my good man!

[burned]

32. you know

I might be imagining things because of my Dean depression but it seems to me like a sizable portion of Kerry supporters are sort of mean in their responses towards other people's candidates.

I might just be feeling sore.

I voted for Dean too by absentee ballot in Georgia.

[John_H]

45. Not trying to be mean. The OP has made no secret of his dislike for JK

I was just pleasantly surprised that he'd help him win the nomination by depriving a vote from the only guy that can stop him.

I believe there is more to voting than just "chosing a candidate and voting for her or him." Votes, especially votes for proplr who have no shot at winning, always have multiple consequences. In this case it appears that the primary effect of a vote for a guy who won't pick up delegates is nearly identical to to a vote for the candidate the poster doen't like.

Voting for Dean in Utah has no effect on Dean's fortunes whatsoever, but it does have an effect on Kerry's.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

64. You are not imagining anything

It's blantantly obvious.

[shivaji]

24. Dean needs to collect as many delegates as possible, so that

he can wield influence at the convention and point them
in the right direction.

[Zookeeper]

25. That must have been hard...

...but now you might want to look seriously at the remaining candidates and decide who you will be prepared to support if Dean really isn't an option. :)

[GumboYaYa]

26. I glad you got the chance Sean.

I cast my vote for Dean in the Missouri primary. I am so glad Govenor Dean is still on the ballots for his undying supporters to still vote.

[jansu]

28. I am so proud of you for voting, for voting your choice & pass it on!

I will be voting for Dean March 2nd. So many people are telling us that Dean is out, that it is a wasted vote, that we are only helping get Bush elected....since when could Bush be elected to our Convention? :shrug:

This is the PRIMARY! Not the GENERAL ELECTION!

EVERYONE VOTE YOUR CHOICE, NOT THE POLLS!

[NoPasaran]

30. Congratulations for voting your conscience Sean!

In two weeks I vote mine.

[mzmolly]

33. Way to go SEAN!!

:toast: Oh how I wish we didn't have a friggin caucaus in my state!

[no name no slogan]

38. But Minnesota's is wierd this year

They use the Presidential Preference ballot taken at the caucuses to determine the number of delegates that go to national. Usually they just go by the caucus counts, but they're shaking it up this year.

Basically, what we get is a primary, with a caucus afterward to pick delegates for the county unit convention. The "primary" is only used to apportion state-level delegates, however, and doesn't have anything to do with the county unit or congressional dist. conventions.

Can you say f***ed up? Yeah, it makes almost no sense whatsoever, especially since the previous method seemed to work okay, IMHO.

So, you can still vote your choice on the ballot, even if you don't have enough caucusgoers for a viable subcaucus. So you can still vote for Dean, even if you don't get any Dean delegates to go on to the next level.

IOW, vote for Dean if that's where your heart is. There's no reason not to, especially in the primaries!

:D

[mzmolly]

41. So I can *Vote* for Dean? I thought I'd have to caucaus for him and hope

for 15% ???? Thanks for the info... This is good news! I asked MN for Dean and got no feedback?

BTW, Minnesota is ALWAYS wierd! :P

[SadEagle]

36. Congrats Sean!

It's good to have an opportunity to vote ones conscience

[chocolateeater]

37. Thank you for your vote,

with your help we may have a voice at the convention.:toast:

[emulatorloo]

40. Good for you ! Congrats n/t

[Protagoras]

43. I got to vote for Jesse Jackson in Utah back in 88

One good thing about Utah, a democrat can vote for ANYONE they like and not worry one iota about changing the outcome of a national election...er...

Guess that isn't good after all :P

Escape while you can!

[KittyWampus]

44. Good For You Sean! After All That Hard Work

Dean's supporters did for him... it's actually kind of cool some (many?) will still at on their support.

I can't wait to vote for Clark in NY :)

[dae]

46. Congrats Sean, I'm looking forward to voting for Clark on Super Tuesday

in Louisiana. Way to go.:)
:dem:

[bushwakker]

47. How did Stalin do in the Irkutsk primary?

How that symbol is allowed here is beyond me.

[sleipnir]

60. It's called freedom of speech, you should read up on the subject.

n/t

[bushwakker]

65. Stalin wasn't real big on freedom of speech*

[ldoolin]

67. "Stalin". Oh.

What about Karl Marx, Frederich Engels, Joe Hill, Bill Haywood, Upton Sinclair, Daniel De Leon, Jack London, Rosa Luxemburg, Paul LaFargue, Eugene Debs, John Reed...

Or did Stalin taint the working class movement and make its colorful history, and all the gains won irrelevant?

[sleipnir]

69. Better not have the American Flag on the website either then.

Bush has hi-jacked that symbol of freedom and made it into a totalitarian dictatorship image. About the same as Stalin as I recall. Well, might as well do away with all the avatars, as they'll only "offend" someone. Get a clue, the Hammer and Sickle was abused as much as the Stars and Stripes is today. I've got nothing against the image, I'm proud of what the honest people who tried to implement something against the evils of capitalism attempted. Too bad it got run over by power hungry war-mongerers...now where does that sound familiar???

[ldoolin]

66. How's the McCarthy-era blacklist going?

Any luck recruiting new members for the Christian Anti-Communism Crusade?

Did you get your congresscritter to introduce that legislation to bring back the House Committee on Un-American Activities?

Sheesh.

[Crunchy Frog]

48. Good for you Sean!

I'm glad you had the opportunity to vote your heart. I wish I had that opportunity, but we had our primary replaced with a caucus by the repukes who run our state, so I'm afraid I won't be able to.:cry:

But I'm very happy for you! :toast:

[PurityOfEssence]

50. Kerry thanks you

Way to go!

[not systems]

53. right on!

:toast:

[Frederic Bastiat]

54. What a waste n/t

[Forkboy]

57. Dont be so hard on yourself

[WillyT]

59. Way Ta Go Sean !!!

Don't listen to all those 'front-runner' people, they can be so bitter and mean, ya know???

LOL!!!

:hi::evilgrin::hi:

[DancingBear]

61. Congrats, Sean, for voting your conscience

Also, congrats on your first(!) presidential vote.

If you think this was fun, wait 'till November, when you will hopefully hear George W. Bush's concession speech. What a night THAT will be...

(thanks to you, in part)

[GumboYaYa]

62. Apparently you weren't the only one.

Dean got 11% in Idaho and 9% in Hawaii. That's awesome. I'm glad to see his supporters sticking with him. They earned the right to vote for Dean