martial law anyone?

[niyad]

seriously, who here thinks seriously, as I do, that there isn't going to BE any election in november? or that, even if there is, and the dems win, that the lunatic illegally squatting in the people's house isn't planning on going anywhere?

paranoid? perhpas. but every day of the repukes holding the white house since ronnie ray-gun, I have thought about this, and am only surprised it hasn't actually happened yet.

on the other hand, I think about the last harry potter book, where, when someone expresses surprised that voldemort hasn't declared himself minister of magic, it is pointed out that he is, in effect, said minister, but not in clear view of the public. so, perhaps openly declaring martial law, instead of just bringing it in in increments, is what is going on.

[NoodleBoy]

1. You should have stopped at "paranoid."

[niyad]

4. really? have you been paying really close attention what the thugs in charge are doing? were you

paying attention to the whole "avian flu" thing, which, to many, appeared to be a trial balloon in that regard--talking about using the military to keep order? the no-fly-lists, the "free speech zones", the arrests and jailing of people merely speaking out againt king george? the detention centers in this country being built by halliburton? syying on our emails, our mail, our bank accounts, literally our every move and word?

as we said in the radical 60s's: just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

[NoodleBoy]

19. you're right, I havent been paying attention at all!!!!11!!111111!!!!!!!!!

Obviously I'm a complete fucktard, and you've got all the answers.

[niyad]

23. how abyt trying to respond intelligently to the situations posted? nobody called you names, so

don't try that BS on me. on second thought,never mind.

[NoodleBoy]

42. No, I've just not been paying attention, guess I'm watching too much American Idol to see what you

can see so plainly.

But wait, nevermind! Obviously, you're so much more informed than I am that it's just a waste of time to try to defend your assertions to me.

[niyad]

45. nice snark, but you really have to do better. nobody said anything

about american idol, nobody called you names. and YOU are the one not responding to questions, so please don't try that gimmick. it is tedious.

[zonmoy]

2. I have accepted the death of our democracy.

too many on this board and in our country are trying to resuscitate the corpse though.

[Lerkfish]

3. NOLA was the dry run that was foiled by news reporting

blackwater was there in force for a reason.

[Anouka]

49. what was blackwater doing in NOLA?

is there a link?

actually, i thought your dry run was about how attempts to skew what was happening in New Orleans were half-foiled by people like Anderson Cooper. Only half-foiled because many negative inaccuracies about what went down remain to this day.

[Cheap_Trick]

5. *didn't lay out the groundwork back in May

just to leave it for someone else to use.

[NoPasaran]

6. The 2008 election will be cancelled

Just like happened in 2006 and 2004.

You can take that to the bank.

:tinfoilhat:

[zonmoy]

8. why cancel elections when you can simply rig them.

[bdamomma]

15. ......

vote rigging is what happened in Kenya will we fight like that????

[zonmoy]

44. I am surprised

that between the diebold and other machines. and the schemes to disenfranchise every voter that could be disenfranchised that anybody considers the elections in our country in any way fair.

[redqueen]

7. I don't expect it to happen... but I wouldn't be suprised at all. (nt)

[onenote]

9. Sorry, but you lost me at "seriously"

But I'll make the same offer to you as I've made to others: I'll pledge to donate $100 to DU if there are no elections in November, if you will pledge to donate $10 if there are elections.

[Capn Sunshine]

10. Building 7! Building 7!!

I really think some people are just drawn to fantasy scare stories.
You really don't know much about your country

[niyad]

16. sorry, I know a great deal about this country, and my fantasy preferences are in novels.

tell me, what do YOU think the whole "bird flu" scare was about? why do YOU think halliburton is building huge detention centers in THIS country? NOLA, anyone?

[Capn Sunshine]

43. what you cite is miles and miles from martial law

The takeover is not going as planned friend. Trust me.
Cronyism , corruption greed and contractors is the answer to the examples you cite.

[ronnykmarshall]

34. Oprah shot ABE!

[rucky]

11. Everything's in place for it.

Georgie could stub his toe in the bathtub and declare it if he wants to.

So far, just the implicit threat of it has kept our opposition leaders in-line. So far.

[TwilightGardener]

12. You are determined not to edit "nartial", apparently.

[niyad]

14. THANKS, I didn't see that!!

[bdamomma]

13. never mind about that, if we do not fix the problems of these

stupid e-voting machines, our votes will never be counted right, we need a paper trail, how many times have we been saying this?? The problem has not been resolved.

[niyad]

17. "it doesn't matter who votes, but who counts the votes"

[LakeSamish706]

18. For any that refute your post, I would suggest that they read Naomi Wolf's..

book...

[cali]

22. Read it. the OP is absurd.

And Naomi Wolf gets some things right and stretches and contorts others. No one has a crystal ball. Some of us know a little about history.

And martial law would be near impossible to impose in this country.

[niyad]

24. then what do you think the avian flu scare, the NOLA situation (blackwater, etc)

the detention camsp, etc? are all about? this has not been the USA that we were told about in school since 12/12/2000, when five REPUBLICAN-apponted members of the supreme court abrogated the constitution and anointed georgie boy as leader.

[cali]

25. Do you proide any real evidence? No.

And I've never had some hazy romantic view of this country.

[niyad]

26. any real evidence of WHAT, specifically? all the things I mentioned (avian flu scare,

halliburton detention camps, the situation in NOLA, etc., are well documented, as is the FACT of what the supreme court did.)

so WHAT, exactly, do you wish me to document further?

any, by the way, who mentioned any "hazy, romantic view" of this country? nobody said that was your view, so to what are you responding?

[cali]

28. OK, the detention camps. The detention camps, deplorable as they

are, are hardly anything new. Do you really believe we haven't been penning up immigrants for years? The situation in NOLA was disgusting and the pukes took advantage of a natural disaster to turn their pet mercenaries loose. Not to mention that a significant portion of what happened there was typical bushco incompetence. The SCOTUS decision was indeed an abrogation of the Constitution, but again hardly the first time that's happened.

And just how do you think that martial law could be implemented?

[niyad]

29. remind me, please, of the other times that the supremes decided a presidential eletction

and please tell me what other detention camps you know about that have been around for years (outside of the the camps used to inter the japanese-americans in WWII).

how is martial law usually implemeneted? honestly, you really need to try harder.

[cali]

30. I'm bored with your sophistry

and dystopian fantasies. I never said the SCOTUS had ever decide a presidential election before 2000. And it ain't gonna happen, your pedestrian vision of martial law.

[niyad]

31. and I am bored by the fact that you don't answer the questions, or deny what

you said:

" The SCOTUS decision was indeed an abrogation of the Constitution, but again hardly the first time that's happened. "

those are YOUR words, quoted exactly.

nice try, cali, but it is very easy to see who is playing the sophist here. why don't you try somebody who might actually fall for your BS?

[onenote]

47. other detention camps:

Aurora (CO) Processing Center, opened during late 1980s
Bill Clayton Detention Center in Littlefield TX (first received detainees in 1989)
Central Texas Detention Center in San Antonio, TX (first received detainees in 1989)
Frio (TX) Detention Center in Pearsall TX (first received detainees in 1997)
Western Region Detention Center at San Diego (first received detainees in 2000)
QUeens (NY) Detention Facility (first received detainees in 1997).

Sorry to burst your balloon.

[windbreeze]

48. only because you asked the question about how it could be implemented....

so I feel the need to try...I seem to recall...the rounding up of 10,000 "criminals", back in April of 2005(we never did hear where those people ended up, or even whether once rounded up, they were even charged)....and since then, there have been several more round ups.

TPTB accomplished these surprise round ups every time, and ALL police agencies from the National level, right down to locals, were involved and cooperated....IF they had decided that we shouldn't know about it...we never would have been told...so how many people really paid serious attention anyway?...it's like a type of conditioning...it happens once every several months...so when it happens later on...no one will give it a thought or even pay attention.....He's also been trying to take control of every state's National Guard Units since he took office....* has NOT been putting all his ducks in a row, purposefully, slowly, methodically, over the last 7 years for NO REASON...by that I mean signing statements, exe orders...Patriot Act...Military Commissions Act...etc..

Look what they did with the people from NOLA..they removed and disbursed groups of people from NO all over the states...people who will never go back...was that done for no reason? IMO...it was to keep the body count from ever being accurate....kinda hard to count missing people, when so many people are still missing.....I do believe they CAN accomplish whatever they set out to do as long as they have complicity on every level of law enforcement..and complicity of the media.....

Wasn't it David Rockefeller who thanked several of the big newspapers and magazines(in NY and DC) for keeping their mouths shut about the Illuminati/CFR/Bilderberger agenda over the last 40 years and told them, that those organizations couldn't have accomplished what they had, IF either news magazine had opened their mouths and told the people what these groups were up to on the sneak???

Maybe martial law is not possible....I don't know...but I don't discount what these people are capable of, or what they have accomplished so far...what is it "they" say....??? never underestimate your opponent...maybe it's better to believe anything is possible, and plan accordingly......wb

[onenote]

46. I'm curious - if concern about avian flu was a repub hoax

Why did the European COmmission take it seriously?

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/health_consumer/dyna/influenza/archives_press.cfm

[2hip]

20. My concern too but I was reticent to say anything

Didn't want to be a Debbie Downer-type and spoil everyone's fun but I can't help but wonder if this election frenzy isn't just Grand Theatre to lull us into complacency. I'm glad you said it out loud.

[niyad]

27. welcome do DU-- I don't think you are a debbie downer-- I just keep wondering what

is going to happen.

[dajoki]

21. Directive 51...

I posted this awhile ago. Maybe this is what your talking about.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3633635

National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive, NSPD-51/ HSPD 20

In May 2007, a major presidential National Security Directive is issued, (National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51/HSPD 20),

NSPD 51 / HSPD 20 is a combined National Security Directive emanating from the White House and Homeland Security. It is tailor-made to fit the premises of both the Pentagon's 2006 "Anti-terrorist Plan" as well Vice President Cheney's 2005 "Contingency Plan".

<<snip>>

This Combined Directive NSPD /51 HSPD 20 grants unprecedented powers to the Presidency and the Department of Homeland Security, overriding the foundations of Constitutional government. NSPD 51 allows the sitting president to declare a “national emergency” without Congressional approval The adoption of NSPD 51 would lead to the de facto closing down of the Legislature and the militarization of justice and law enforcement: The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counter terrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination. (National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51/HSPD 20, emphasis added)

[slackmaster]

32. It's sad to see that some of us have actually come to this state of seige

:tinfoilhat:

[niyad]

33. please don't misunderstand. no matter what they do, I will not give up. just preparing

for all possibilities.

Illegitimati non carburundum

[slackmaster]

35. I've been prepared for worst-case scenarios since my early 20s

I'll be 50 in one month.

Welcome to the club.

[niyad]

37. was there long before you,!! moved to one of the top three targets in the country

(during the height of the cold war) when I was 11. definitely gives one a different perspective.

[slackmaster]

39. A big earthquake in 1968 started me thinking about it

When I got into backpacking in the late '70s, it became clear that the same methods used to survive in the wilderness might be needed anywhere, any time.

[Andy823]

36. I guess that anything is possible

But if I remeber right, the repbugs were making the same kind of claims about "Clinton" not leaving office! :shrug:

If he did, I think we would have another civil war!

I really think he wants to leave, and really wants a dem to win so they can blame "everything" on the dems!

[niyad]

38. slight difference being that clinton was not busy turning this into a police state, as that

prancing poseur and cohorts illegally squatting in the people's house are doing now.

[Perry Logan]

40. The Republicans obviously don't have the balls to declare martial law.

[LanternWaste]

41. There will be an election in November.

The non-fictional situations in the U.S. are so much less dramatic than Fascism, but much more real.

There will be an election in November. I realize that it's good copy to scream with righteous indignation that there won't be, but it will happen. I don't know if you find that disappointing or not, but then I do realize that life minus hyperbole is neither dramatic nor good copy that sells.

Hey, maybe my prognostication is wrong and your paranoid fantasy comes true. Boy-- that's show me, huh?