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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 03:52 PM
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Want the facts on Kerry's fundraising in the Senate? Read and learn
From today's Daily Howler:

CASH AND KERRY: An e-mailer makes an excellent point about Kerry and that mountain of “special interest” money. As we noted yesterday, a Bush campaign ad complains that Kerry has taken $640,000 in “special interest money” over the past fifteen years:

E-MAIL: What I find interesting about that earth-shaking $640,000 is that spread over 15 years, it comes out to less than 43 thousand per year. Now, that’s more than I make, but in Washington, to a “multi-millionaire” senator, it’s laughably paltry. I’ve pointed this out to several at CNN and elsewhere, but it seems like my point is a little too tough for them to grasp, let alone make part of the script.

Indeed, given the scope of modern fund-raising, this is a fairly modest sum. Again, we quote Brooks Jackson on his Annenberg site: “So far, for example, Senate Republican Leader Bill Frist reported $1,022,063 in PAC donations for his 2004 campaign alone.” Weirdly, the Bush ad complains about a much smaller amount—an amount raised over the past fifteen years!

As we noted yesterday, the Bush ad is based on a front-page report by the Washington Post’s Jim VandeHei. This January 31 report was profoundly misleading, in ways that should be made clear.

What was wrong with the Post report? Let’s start with a blatant misstatement—a misstatement made by the Bush ad itself. As we noted yesterday, VandeHei did not say that Kerry has received “more special interest money than any other senator,” the bogus claim which appears in the ad. VandeHei said something quite different; he said that Kerry “has raised more money from paid lobbyists than any other senator over the past 15 years.” The total came to $640,000, the scribe said in his front-page report.

So what was wrong with VandeHei’s work? First, lobbyist money comprises only one small part of “special interest” money. As Jackson noted, total “special interest” donations to Frist dwarf those received by Kerry. According to Peter Beinart, Kerry actually ranks 92nd among senators in raising special interest money. By failing to offer this small bit of context, VandeHei’s article was extremely misleading.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 03:55 PM
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1. Bush was just parroting the Dean campaign
and his supporters here.

What's the difference?
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:07 PM
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4. Dean had a legitimate case against Kerry
Over 75% of Dean's campaign was funded by average Americans. Bush's is completely sold to corporate interests.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:09 PM
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7. That's certainly fair
"Bush has completely sold out to corporate interests, so Dean had a case against Kerry"

uh-huh
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 05:01 PM
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10. Really? Care to put up all of Dean's lifetime donations and compare
them to the lifetime donations of Kerry's that he complained about?

Kerry's lifetime total had 1% of the donations coming from so-called special interests. What was Dean's LIFETIME total?
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 05:02 PM
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11. The silence will be deafening
That's my prediction
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 05:04 PM
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12. Dean supporters are Bush?
Is that waht you're saying, blm?
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 05:06 PM
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13. No
they are Bush*-enablers

FYI, I said that, not blm
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 05:08 PM
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15. You stand corrected:
blm (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-24-04 02:55 PM
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1. Bush was just parroting the Dean campaign


and his supporters here.

What's the difference?


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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:50 PM
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18. I doubt it
It says "Bush parrots the Dean campaign and his supporters" not "Dean is Bush"
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:58 PM
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20. But you do stand corrected, nonetheless.
:)
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:02 PM
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21. Not in this thread
but irl, since my surgery, yes.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:04 PM
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22. LOL!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:49 PM
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17. Check the archives and the threads that quoted Dean and his supporters
on this very subject.

I'm sure you remember clearly. If Bush's ad sounded just like what Dean and his supporters said here back then, there is your answer.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:51 PM
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19. It sounded like what the WP and Time said, IIRC...
Dean didn't originate the story. You always leave that part out, for some reason...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:52 PM
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23. Yes, and noone from the Dean camp bothered to get the facts first
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 09:53 PM by blm
did they?

Or did they bother to apologize once they discovered the truth?

Or did they USE the perception to smear Kerry for a couple weeks?

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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 10:20 PM
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27. The original reports were about donors, not PACs
and tracing them back to the source.

As someone who worked on Capitol Hill and on campaigns for almost a decade, I know what bundling is. It's how you get money without having to go to the PAC. And that's what Kerry's fundraising history smelled like.

Hell, they all do it.

That doesn't make it right, and Bush will certainly use it against Kerry to some effect.

They don't care about the truth one tiny bit as much as you or I do.

I don't see why Dean or any other candidate's supporters need to apologize for pointing out a Kerry weakness. Hell, that's what primaries are for.

I think in the end this issues comes out for us, but is compromised (like a lot of things) by Kerry's long service in the Senate. But I'd love to script the add about Haliburton, our beloved vice president and his "deferred compensation."

The analysis above offered above pretty much difuses an attack on Kerry if done nimbly and well. And Bush can never get away from that issue, because his presidency is just so damned corrupt.

If the Kerry campaign wants to deflect a pissing match about who raised what from whom when, they need to go after Bush on "corruption". Chenney/Haliburton, Enron, etc.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 10:31 PM
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28. Nonsense, Fellow
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 10:33 PM by The Magistrate
The original reports refered not to "special interests" but to lobbyists, and refered specifically to personal donations from persons registered as lobbyists. The total was about $640,000 over a fifteen year period, or about $40,000 a year. Concentrating on this narrow slice of donations was the only way the figures in the report drawn on could be made to yield any result that placed Sen. Kerry in a disfavorable light; all more normal examinations of the figures on total funds raised from corporations or political action committees rank roughly ninety Senators above Sen. Kerry in totals received. Gov. Dean's campaign, and his supporters, ought to have done this basic examination of the report the journalists cited to their own ends, and not simply parroted what must have seemed a heaven-sent opportunity, that turned into an official Republican attack line.

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 10:06 PM
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26. Stop ripping scabs off wounds, blm
Just let it rest. Kerry is doing very well nationally. Be happy with Kerry's success and move on.
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:59 PM
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24. The Kerry/Dean discussion has ended nationally
The GOP and the Bush campaign has free will. They create their own campaign literature and media. The Bush/GOP people are responsible when their ads are inaccurate.

There is no point in ripping the scabs off old wounds, blm. Let it rest.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 03:58 PM
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2. I love Bob Somersby
:loveya:
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:04 PM
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3. Kick
:kick:
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:07 PM
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5. $1000 from a lobbyist for Greenpeace v millions from Enron?
Time for "special interests" to be defined more precisely.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 05:08 PM
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14. That's my big bugg-a-boo
define a special interest

A special interest group could include:
Greenpeace
ACLU
Sierra Club
Amnesty International
ASPCA

and any number of other groups. Not all special interests are evil.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:07 PM
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6. I Think Kerry Will be Able to Deflect the Special-Interest Attack
once his finances are more fully publicized.

Bush certainly did take his cue from Dean. I don't agree with the good doctor's line of attack. It was an act of desperation that might actually have hurt Kerry's candidacy.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:17 PM
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8. My hat is off to Gov Dean
for backing way off that line of attack during the debate right before Wisconsin. You could see how upset he was that GWB had run with it.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:30 PM
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9. Thank You. Trully Kerry was being attacked Despite a Good Recored
on fundraising.

Many experts tried to clarify the fact that the story was missleading because it only used individual donations (which was all that Kerry accepted) and excluded PAC money which was the mainstay of most
campaigns. Despite the erroneous nature of the
analysis the Post used, Corp Media keep perpetuating the
false impression to the public a large.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:04 PM
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16. thanks for the post :)
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 10:02 PM
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25. Great post. I'll put those numbers to good use. n/t
That was one of those issues I was a little afraid to enter until you dug up this data for us. This was really needed, and most appreciated.
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